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Cosmic Christ Reading Report
I found it interesting that even in studying and searching for the Cosmic Christ in scripture it is possible to superimpose meaning into the text that for the original audience readers it may have meant something else, maybe even more profound to their situation and not just abstract philosophical beliefs. It, for instance is a common Christian practice to throw stones and blame the tribe of Judah for not accepting the Messiah. But if we read deeper into the signs of the times we can see why there was some resistance. We don’t live in the times or in the tempest of the many-Messiah’s professing to be the Deliverer of God’s people. I agree with the book that Christ is the Supreme revelation of God. I also see that our hermeneutic is seeing the Messiah come out of the Scripture not just reading Him into the Scripture. We need to remember that it is our understanding of revelation that is progressive not the truth itself, for from the beginning John 1:1 Christ ever was, He didn’t just pop on the scene. Adam to Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to Moses and so on walked with Him. Christ is the dabar from the beginning and not the logos from John. The substance of the revelation hasn’t changed it always has been Immanuel from the beginning. Yes, the prophets sought to understand those things that they wrote, but let us not be proud and think we know or understand God more than they. 9/07/2006 1:14 PM
On page 35, the author pointed out that although the Bible is commonly present in our homes and churches it is sometimes not allowed to speak for itself. Rather, we often treat the Bible like a child rather than treating it like the word of our divine Father. I have never heard this point put across in this manner but I find it to be quite profound. Scripture should be allowed to speak for itself as the author boldly declares on page 36 that “Scripture alone defines the roles of other divine revelations including their roles in illuminating scriptures”.
Also, the question is asked: Is there any new Light in the Old Lamp? On page 39 the author states that Daniel’s ‘end time’ prediction of exploding knowledge illuminates the wholistic model for theological method in his proposal and that such a theological method goes “to and fro” to increase knowledge of the Cosmic Christ of Scripture.”
Let me pause to say that at this time, in the class "Revelation, Inspiration, and Hermeneutics" with the author of the “Cosmic Christ of Scripture”, I find that rich knowledge is exploding and I feel like a sponge absorbing the wealth of knowledge that is being disseminated. Hence taking the scriptures literally, this proposed wholistic model for theological method is going “to and fro” to increase knowledge of the Cosmic Christ of Scripture.
I like what the author states on page 39 that God’s people should go to and fro in all scripture to increase knowledge. This tota Scripture principle methodology is currently being carried out in the class with special attention being paid to 2 Timothy 3:16.
It seems to me that even though Dr. Hanna suggests that Scripture, Christ, and Cosmos are all equally important in revealing God, I sense that the Scripture holds a stronger primacy than the other two. Some would say this is heresy and downplaying the primacy of Christ (if nothing else). I would say that though Christ IS important - crucial for man's happiness and salvation, He is no longer physically present with us. There is no tour to see the Christ today. There is no photo of Him, there is no 'home' to visit, or blogspot where you can log on and chat with Christ Himself. Thus you are left with Scripture and Cosmos to find God's revelation. Cosmos has shown, I would suggest, only in exceptions that God can be seen without a prior knowledge of Christ or the Scripture. This world has become so deformed that, in general, few people can see much good in it at this point. Hence we are left with the Scriptures. I would suggest that without a prior knowledge of God, Scripture would hold the strongest card for anyone who searches for His revelation. Not that they cannot look to Cosmos, or Christ (but where would you find Christ outside the Scripture?), but Scripture still is the stronger of the three - in my mind. 9/29/2006 8:56 AM
There were some insights in "Cosmic Christ", chapter 2 that were helpful in establishing the interpretation or methods of reading Scripture. I would agree with all of the points that were made about the authority of scripture. I believe that scripture is the authority for Christian faith and practice and it is good to see Dr. Hanna's research to be central to this tradition. I am a firm believer that the Bible gives us all the information we need for knowledge about God. Although, the point is made on page 32, "The Bible is not a textbook containing all knowledge on all subjects." But the Bible does say about it self, or at least one Biblical writer writes, "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God (GOD breathed), and is porfitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thorougly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 I would like to include that the point of Scripture is what the preceding verses in 2 Timothy says: "And that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." Therefore, Scripture is the supreme authority of doctrine and information about salvation that is in Jesus Christ! Like the point that has been made by Jesus captured in John 5:39 that "ALL scriptures" point to Him. This is one powerful statement from Jesus. Scripture has supreme authority for our lives giving us all that we need to know, it does not give us every detail...just enough! Great chapter and book! 9/29/2006 7:48 PM
Although the philosophical sophistication found in this book has challenged my cognitive powers yet I have appreciated the insights I have gained. Thank you Dr. Hanna!
Chapter 11 sums up the books and here is my synapses of the chapter. Although creation, scriptures, and incarnation are three different books of revelation, yet, it is crucial to study them in relation to and with each other. This correlation is more sensible when it is understood that Jesus is the central theme of our theology. Scriptures focus on Jesus and His atoning sacrifice. Scripture based theology is Christ centered. If we take some other book to base our theology on and try to set Christ as the center of that theology, we will terribly fail. Only scriptures present theology that is focused on Christ. Now, cosmos gives relevance. The Christ of scriptures can be understood within the context of cosmos. Christ of the scriptures is one who came, dwelled, died, and rose back to life, went to heaven and is coming again. This is either the Christ of cosmos and of scripture or else an Antichrist.
My faith, knowledge and practice are grounded in and on the scriptures and that scripture should be interpreted from within and not from outside. Secondly, in order to understand any belief or fact from the Bible, the whole scriptures should be consulted and agreed upon completely and no part of the scripture should contradict it. Thirdly, to formulate my theology I must give scriptures the first place. In other words, Bible is the primary authority or norm I use to formulate my beliefs. Everything that agrees with the scripture is the primary truth for me. As far as the knowledge is concerned, Bible has the right knowledge. 9/30/2006 9:09 PM
As one of the other readings said and also Dr.Hanna recomends, we have to come with an open and disposed mind to have God speak to us. In my case I had heard of the term "sola scriptura", but as I read the first part of Dr.Hann's book it not only cleared some consepts and ideas I had about "sola scriptura" but also expounded more on this topic. As I read chapter one , about tota, sola and prima scriptura, has opened new concepts on how to read the bible and understanding the bible. But also how to understand not only the Bible but also Christ and cosmos. Truly this chapter has inspired and encouraged me, but also showed me that I do not know nothing, to always keep scripture in and only in first place. As pastors we sometimes tend to base our sermons on what book we read, on some experience or on a vision God has given during driving and reading a sign on the side of the road, some base them on what E.G.White book we have read. Dr.Hanna I believe is propusing that we need to go back to the Bible and Bible only. But also that all other subjects or thoughts, must be measured to and only to the Bible. Including the wonderful writings of E.G.White. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that God can't inspire us in different ways, but some sermons I've heard and being honest some I've preached is just based on a story and/or experience, and the Bible verse we use is just to make it more acceptable. Every thing must be subject to scripture and spricture only, and it must be the only bases for our preaching and lives. So truly scripture is "tota,sola and prima". 9/30/2006 9:11 PM
The captivating reality of God’s Revelation in His “Three Books”, presented in the Cosmic Christ of Scripture, is an awesome revelation of God’s nature. This concept while not new to the subconscious creates an interesting picture of God when brought into the conscious and articulated in words. 2 Peter 3:9 tells us, the Lord is, “…longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” Christ is using every avenue to reveal himself to us. This makes clear the idea that it is harder to be lost than saved. Christ has afforded us every opportunity.
Let’s apply this. Many Christians can speak of a time when they have seen a tree or a flower or a sunset and were reminded of some aspect of God’s character. However, the theology that nature is as much a revelation of God as Christ or the Scriptures are, is an amazing concept that when carefully considered has powerful implications for the Christian life. Those implications cannot all be discussed here, however, one that is clearly illuminated on pages 37- 41, is the concept of going to and fro. The opportunities for the believer to experience God are limitless. He does not only reveal himself during morning devotion but all day long he is revealing himself. Our challenge is to be conscious enough to see His revelations. As we participate in this interplay between scripture and what we see in nature and hear through the spirit we are empowered with a clearer picture of God.
My only problem with this concept was the following quote from page 42, “[s]cripture revelation provides the theoretical framework which norms the interpretation of Scripture, Christ, and cosmos.” I accepted it as a result of the scriptural evidence presented and its support from other sources. However, my acceptance did not equal my understanding. After prayer and another look at the scriptures themselves, it is my understanding that one of the reasons scripture is the “norm that norms” is for the unity of the body of believers. If I say “God told me…”or “I was gazing upon a tree and now I believe…” and there is a contradiction what barometer do we have to determine truth? God in his wonderful providence left us his word. Through careful self-abased study God’s word will clear up the confusion and the church can stand in one accord.
“So continuing daily in one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart…and the Lord added to the church daily…” – Acts 2:46 9/30/2006 10:17 PM
I was particularly impacted by chapter three in "The Cosmic Christ of Scripture," appropriately titled, "Let the Holy Scriptures Speak!" The title of the chapter itself is a command, challenge, and call to listen to what Scripture itself says, even, if not especially, in our definition of Scripture's role for faith.
Could it be that in our very defense of Scripture, we deny the words and refuse to listen to what it says? This goes back to Hanna's description of his dynamic model where Scripture tests our perceptions of Christ/Nature and Christ/Nature test our interpretations of Scripture. Our definitions of Scripture and inspiration come under scrutiny from Scripture itself.
Hanna writes, "This unintended but real disrespect for Scripture is manifest in the exclusive definition of the Scripture principles so that other revelations recognized by Scritpure are undermined" (35). If we really hold Scripture as our sole rule of faith and practice, why do we not listen to what it says when pointing out other revelations of God. Sola scriptura cannot be defined exclusively, saying the Bible is the only revelation of God we have, because in that very statement we deny what the Bible itself says about God's multi-vaceted revelations.
Hanna expounds on Daniel 12:4 and the concept of knowlege increasing, saying that "God's people may contribute to an increase in both secular and sacred knowledge" (38). In other words, the Scriptures themselves talk about the need to go to and fro in increasing our knowledge (of God and our world), benefiting from the mutual illumination that results.
This whole discussion does not negate Scriptures' importance. Hanna adds that, "Scripture alone defines the roles of other divine revelations including their roles in illuminating Scripture" (36). At first, this statment bothered me and I wondered why. I was bothered because it seemed to elevate Scripture above Christ. Yet, because Christ is not here today, walking the planet, Scripture is the best we have to define in memory the record of God's encounters with us.
I wonder if God's word of Scripture will still be available in the libraries of heaven or if God will just say to wait in a line to talk to Moses or Elijah or Esther and hear their first-hand oral accounts? Whether the written Scriptures are there or not, the point is that the Living Word, one who raised from the dead and now makes intercession for us is the One who is pointed and witnessed to in Scripture.
I found Hanna's idea of three separate primacies to be a useful framework in defining God's revelations. Christ has ontological primacy, the cosmos has contextual primacy, and Scripture has epistemological primacy.
We have no way of knowing Christ lived, died, raised, and is coming again soon, without the Scriptures, which is why they have epistemological primacy. But just one question... When Christ walked on the earth, did Scripture still have epistemological authority over the people who watched the program? Was everything he did and said tested by Scripture? Yet, He went so far beyond Scripture.
Finally, when we have exclusive, narrow, unbiblical methods of exegesis, simply to win an argument, we have already lost the war. We will not let Holy Scriptures speak because we are too busy defending our own definitions of Holy Scripture. 9/30/2006 11:47 PM
Can we trust the scripture as the inerreant word of God? Can the scripture stand in this age of mysticism and post-modernism? What makes the scripture so vital in our times? These are questions that parades the average mind on a regular basis. As i read the "Cosmic Christ of Scripture" i recognize in a real way that the scripture is still the only rule rule of faith and practise. Eventhough many scholars have employed a exclusive view of scripture the Word of God still prevails. The author brings to the fore the great need to have a wholistic view of scripture. He takes the traditional approach and build on it in such a way that it is harmonious to principles that we hold so dearly to. The word of God is still the only rule of faith and practise,and it guides the Christian in matters of knowledge. I am happy to know that the scripture is a "theological guide to extra-biblical knowledge of the cosmos." (32) This perspective is quite profound and adds a fresh dimension to the study of scripture. I agree with the author in this regard, and it is my belief that scripture contains vital information for a better understanding of the cosmos. I am for the inclusive approach to scripture. It affords a broad base understanding of the vital truths expressed within. It defines the roles of other divine revelation. For us to have a clear understanding of scripture there must be a willingness to go to and fro as is expressed in Daniel 12:4. As we go to and fro in scripture our knowledge of God and the Cosmos will increase. As we go to and fro we will see things in a better fashion. The author is suggesting that we should go to and fro among scripture, cosmos and Christ. As we go to and fro in scripture we will increase knowledge. Jesus seems to be in agreement with this principle as he declare in Jh. 5: 39 " You search the sripture for in them you think you have eternal life; and testify of me. And you will not come to me that you might have life." Christ here asserts that knowledge of eternal life is available to searchers of the scripture. As we stand on the threshold of eternity, bombarded by many questions oh that we would search the scripture and stand on its principles as the rule of faith and practise.
Jesus had nothing to do with the various subjects of dissension among the Jews. It was His work to present the truth. His words shed a flood of light upon the teachings of patriarchs and prophets, and the Scriptures came to men as a new revelation. Never before had His hearers perceived such a depth of meaning in the word of God.
Desire of Ages, p 245
While I was doing my devotional in the Desire of Ages, I came across this paragraph of where Mrs. White talks about how scripture came to men as a new revelation, through the truth that Jesus taught. I found this to be relevant to your message about the search for knowledge of God through scriptures. Even though the Jews thought they had it all figured out by studying the scriptures, they still were blind to the real message. This shows how the Jewish people used the bible for justification of their lifestyle instead of Justification of changing their lives for God. Remember they thought they were doing what the scripture required them to do. They kept all the laws and followed every commandment. They even memorized the bible, in some cases. You would think that they would have recognized the prophecies being fulfilled right before their eyes, but Christ pointed out their blindness in the knowledge they had chosen to learn. This is why the Jews, who accepted Jesus’ message, felt that they received a new revelation from Christ’s word or scripture, because there it was so different than what they knew from the Rabbi’s and their own understanding. This is true today, we must continue to learn more of God’s word and have an open mind when we study. We shouldn’t have presuppositions when studying the word. It brings us to on going process of learning, or an eternal process of learning. The Bible has more to be revealed as we submit ourselves to Christ, Scripture and the cosmos.
The concept of God’s tree books is tremendous in correctly understanding Theology. We as Protestants claim that the bible and the bible alone is our only rule of faith and practice. This has been clearly stated in Cosmic Christ of Scripture. Yet here is my understanding of what Hanna has presented. By definition we as Protestants also believe in God’s other books. Here is my line of reasoning. We claim that scripture is the word of God. We claim that it is primary in God’s revelations. In its primacy, the bible claims that Jesus is the living word, or revelation of what the scriptures have been trying to explain all along (John 1:1-3; John 5:39). We also see that scripture claims the cosmos as a valid revelation of God (Psa 19:1; Rom 1:20; etc). Also I would like to point out that Humans are part of the cosmos (creation) of God that is a revelation of God, through the prophets (whose words are also contained in scripture - Heb 1:1), and through the testimony of our life (what God living in us does to our life) (Rev 12:11). Notice that in Revelation 12:11 it is our testimony, that is, our revelation of God in and through our lives that helps us (along with the blood of Christ) overcome the Devil. Someone once told me that the strongest witness I have to another human being is my personal testimony, what God has done in my life. That is revelation as well. I want to point out some observations that I have also made as I am better understanding the book and applying its principles to scripture. Jesus was in the Beginning (John 1:1-3) He is the true author of the scriptures (2 Pet 1:19-21; 2 Tim 3:14-17). Yet he uses scripture as his claim to authority as the Son of God (John 5:39). So each testify the primacy of the other, yet both are originated from God, his words and his living word. This by simple reasoning implies that they would never contradict each other, for they have the same root, the same message, and they claim each other. Tying this in with what I said in the paragraph before scripture is actually part of the cosmos in that it came through the cosmos (God’s creation). This said, it only makes sense that their would be complete unity in all three. Therefore is there anything that an honest Christian should fear in using all three books “to and fro” with each other? I don’t see why. We will only better understand the truth of each by using them to understand each other. This lies only in starting with the Scriptures as the rule/norm, since it is what even Christ claims as his norm (John 10:35). This of course only makes sense realizing that the scriptures are the words of God (Christ included).
Scripture has always spark much discussion over the century. Many wonder, can it be trusted? Is it really inspired? Can it stand as our rule of faith and practice? Of a fact the Scriptures can be trusted, because they are inspired by God 2Tim 3:16. Thus interms of Revelation scripture alone should define the role of divine revelation. Therfore no other revelation should be placed above the scripture, scripture is first.
Dr Hanna seems to be suggetsing that there needs to be a too and fro motion in scripture in order for Theology to take place. There also need to be, a to and fro from scripture to Christ and from Christ to Scripture and to the Cosmos. Though one goes to and fro from scripture to Christ and cosmos , Christ must be the center of the and focus of our search. What good will it be if we search the scriptures and not go to Christ? Scripture then reveals Christ and and is the first and best revelation of Christ.
Surely, Scripture is not to treated like some little child or like a spear tire. Scripture needs to be studied and should give a clear view of who Christ is. Therefore, scripture is the only rule of faith and practice, because of its authority from God and it stands alone as God unique revelation.
One recurrent tragedy in Christendom is the unwillingness to allow Scripture speak for itself. This situation has given rise to varied theological opinions about matters of faith and practice from one denomination to another. This unfortunate situation is manifested in “the exclusive definition of Scripture principles so that other revelations recognized by Scripture are undermined” or in the “inclusive definitions which elevate other revelations in a way that compromises the divine authority of Scripture.”
But the authority of Scripture is to be conceived in a “wholistic” sense (2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 19-21) with god as the center of attraction having authority in Scripture and in other revelations. Paul postulates: “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God….” and Peter affirms: “No Scripture is of private interpretation”
Scripture alone has its unique primacy as the written word of God which points to the Living Word of God – Jesus – the source of life (John 5:39-40) within the cosmos.
The result is both evident and obvious that when Scripture is suppressed, silenced or not given its rightful place – to speak, our perception of the incarnation and cosmos is marred, thus leaving us miserably hopeless. Therefore, we must always let the Bible speak for itself.
One recurrent tragedy in Christendom is the unwillingness to allow Scripture speak for itself. This situation has given rise to varied theological opinions about matters of faith and practice from one denomination to another. This unfortunate situation is manifested in “the exclusive definition of Scripture principles so that other revelations recognized by Scripture are undermined” or in the “inclusive definitions which elevate other revelations in a way that compromises the divine authority of Scripture.”
But the authority of Scripture is to be conceived in a “wholistic” sense (2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 19-21) with god as the center of attraction having authority in Scripture and in other revelations. Paul postulates: “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God….” and Peter affirms: “No Scripture is of private interpretation”
Scripture alone has its unique primacy as the written word of God which points to the Living Word of God – Jesus – the source of life (John 5:39-40) within the cosmos.
The result is both evident and obvious that when Scripture is suppressed, silenced or not given its rightful place – to speak, our perception of the incarnation and cosmos is marred, thus leaving us miserably hopeless. Therefore, we must always let the Bible speak for itself.
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Cosmic Christ Reading Report
I found it interesting that even in studying and searching for the Cosmic Christ in scripture it is possible to superimpose meaning into the text that for the original audience readers it may have meant something else, maybe even more profound to their situation and not just abstract philosophical beliefs. It, for instance is a common Christian practice to throw stones and blame the tribe of Judah for not accepting the Messiah. But if we read deeper into the signs of the times we can see why there was some resistance. We don’t live in the times or in the tempest of the many-Messiah’s professing to be the Deliverer of God’s people. I agree with the book that Christ is the Supreme revelation of God. I also see that our hermeneutic is seeing the Messiah come out of the Scripture not just reading Him into the Scripture. We need to remember that it is our understanding of revelation that is progressive not the truth itself, for from the beginning John 1:1 Christ ever was, He didn’t just pop on the scene. Adam to Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to Moses and so on walked with Him. Christ is the dabar from the beginning and not the logos from John. The substance of the revelation hasn’t changed it always has been Immanuel from the beginning. Yes, the prophets sought to understand those things that they wrote, but let us not be proud and think we know or understand God more than they.
9/07/2006 1:14 PM
On page 35, the author pointed out that although the Bible is commonly present in our homes and churches it is sometimes not allowed to speak for itself. Rather, we often treat the Bible like a child rather than treating it like the word of our divine Father. I have never heard this point put across in this manner but I find it to be quite profound. Scripture should be allowed to speak for itself as the author boldly declares on page 36 that “Scripture alone defines the roles of other divine revelations including their roles in illuminating scriptures”.
Also, the question is asked: Is there any new Light in the Old Lamp? On page 39 the author states that Daniel’s ‘end time’ prediction of exploding knowledge illuminates the wholistic model for theological method in his proposal and that such a theological method goes “to and fro” to increase knowledge of the Cosmic Christ of Scripture.”
Let me pause to say that at this time, in the class "Revelation, Inspiration, and Hermeneutics" with the author of the “Cosmic Christ of Scripture”, I find that rich knowledge is exploding and I feel like a sponge absorbing the wealth of knowledge that is being disseminated. Hence taking the scriptures literally, this proposed wholistic model for theological method is going “to and fro” to increase knowledge of the Cosmic Christ of Scripture.
I like what the author states on page 39 that God’s people should go to and fro in all scripture to increase knowledge. This tota Scripture principle methodology is currently being carried out in the class with special attention being paid to 2 Timothy 3:16.
9/24/2006 11:39 AM
It seems to me that even though Dr. Hanna suggests that Scripture, Christ, and Cosmos are all equally important in revealing God, I sense that the Scripture holds a stronger primacy than the other two. Some would say this is heresy and downplaying the primacy of Christ (if nothing else). I would say that though Christ IS important - crucial for man's happiness and salvation, He is no longer physically present with us. There is no tour to see the Christ today. There is no photo of Him, there is no 'home' to visit, or blogspot where you can log on and chat with Christ Himself. Thus you are left with Scripture and Cosmos to find God's revelation. Cosmos has shown, I would suggest, only in exceptions that God can be seen without a prior knowledge of Christ or the Scripture. This world has become so deformed that, in general, few people can see much good in it at this point. Hence we are left with the Scriptures. I would suggest that without a prior knowledge of God, Scripture would hold the strongest card for anyone who searches for His revelation. Not that they cannot look to Cosmos, or Christ (but where would you find Christ outside the Scripture?), but Scripture still is the stronger of the three - in my mind.
9/29/2006 8:56 AM
There were some insights in "Cosmic Christ", chapter 2 that were helpful in establishing the interpretation or methods of reading Scripture. I would agree with all of the points that were made about the authority of scripture. I believe that scripture is the authority for Christian faith and practice and it is good to see Dr. Hanna's research to be central to this tradition. I am a firm believer that the Bible gives us all the information we need for knowledge about God. Although, the point is made on page 32, "The Bible is not a textbook containing all knowledge on all subjects." But the Bible does say about it self, or at least one Biblical writer writes, "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God (GOD breathed), and is porfitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thorougly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 I would like to include that the point of Scripture is what the preceding verses in 2 Timothy says: "And that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." Therefore, Scripture is the supreme authority of doctrine and information about salvation that is in Jesus Christ! Like the point that has been made by Jesus captured in John 5:39 that "ALL scriptures" point to Him. This is one powerful statement from Jesus. Scripture has supreme authority for our lives giving us all that we need to know, it does not give us every detail...just enough! Great chapter and book!
9/29/2006 7:48 PM
Chapter 11 – A Christ-Centered Conclusion
Although the philosophical sophistication found in this book has challenged my cognitive powers yet I have appreciated the insights I have gained. Thank you Dr. Hanna!
Chapter 11 sums up the books and here is my synapses of the chapter. Although creation, scriptures, and incarnation are three different books of revelation, yet, it is crucial to study them in relation to and with each other. This correlation is more sensible when it is understood that Jesus is the central theme of our theology. Scriptures focus on Jesus and His atoning sacrifice. Scripture based theology is Christ centered. If we take some other book to base our theology on and try to set Christ as the center of that theology, we will terribly fail. Only scriptures present theology that is focused on Christ. Now, cosmos gives relevance. The Christ of scriptures can be understood within the context of cosmos. Christ of the scriptures is one who came, dwelled, died, and rose back to life, went to heaven and is coming again. This is either the Christ of cosmos and of scripture or else an Antichrist.
My faith, knowledge and practice are grounded in and on the scriptures and that scripture should be interpreted from within and not from outside. Secondly, in order to understand any belief or fact from the Bible, the whole scriptures should be consulted and agreed upon completely and no part of the scripture should contradict it. Thirdly, to formulate my theology I must give scriptures the first place. In other words, Bible is the primary authority or norm I use to formulate my beliefs. Everything that agrees with the scripture is the primary truth for me. As far as the knowledge is concerned, Bible has the right knowledge.
9/30/2006 9:09 PM
As one of the other readings said and also Dr.Hanna recomends, we have to come with an open and disposed mind to have God speak to us. In my case I had heard of the term "sola scriptura", but as I read the first part of Dr.Hann's book it not only cleared some consepts and ideas I had about "sola scriptura" but also expounded more on this topic. As I read chapter one , about tota, sola and prima scriptura, has opened new concepts on how to read the bible and understanding the bible. But also how to understand not only the Bible but also Christ and cosmos. Truly this chapter has inspired and encouraged me, but also showed me that I do not know nothing, to always keep scripture in and only in first place. As pastors we sometimes tend to base our sermons on what book we read, on some experience or on a vision God has given during driving and reading a sign on the side of the road, some base them on what E.G.White book we have read. Dr.Hanna I believe is propusing that we need to go back to the Bible and Bible only. But also that all other subjects or thoughts, must be measured to and only to the Bible. Including the wonderful writings of E.G.White. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that God can't inspire us in different ways, but some sermons I've heard and being honest some I've preached is just based on a story and/or experience, and the Bible verse we use is just to make it more acceptable. Every thing must be subject to scripture and spricture only, and it must be the only bases for our preaching and lives. So truly scripture is "tota,sola and prima".
9/30/2006 9:11 PM
The captivating reality of God’s Revelation in His “Three Books”, presented in the Cosmic Christ of Scripture, is an awesome revelation of God’s nature. This concept while not new to the subconscious creates an interesting picture of God when brought into the conscious and articulated in words. 2 Peter 3:9 tells us, the Lord is, “…longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” Christ is using every avenue to reveal himself to us. This makes clear the idea that it is harder to be lost than saved. Christ has afforded us every opportunity.
Let’s apply this. Many Christians can speak of a time when they have seen a tree or a flower or a sunset and were reminded of some aspect of God’s character. However, the theology that nature is as much a revelation of God as Christ or the Scriptures are, is an amazing concept that when carefully considered has powerful implications for the Christian life. Those implications cannot all be discussed here, however, one that is clearly illuminated on pages 37- 41, is the concept of going to and fro. The opportunities for the believer to experience God are limitless. He does not only reveal himself during morning devotion but all day long he is revealing himself. Our challenge is to be conscious enough to see His revelations. As we participate in this interplay between scripture and what we see in nature and hear through the spirit we are empowered with a clearer picture of God.
My only problem with this concept was the following quote from page 42, “[s]cripture revelation provides the theoretical framework which norms the interpretation of Scripture, Christ, and cosmos.” I accepted it as a result of the scriptural evidence presented and its support from other sources. However, my acceptance did not equal my understanding. After prayer and another look at the scriptures themselves, it is my understanding that one of the reasons scripture is the “norm that norms” is for the unity of the body of believers. If I say “God told me…”or “I was gazing upon a tree and now I believe…” and there is a contradiction what barometer do we have to determine truth? God in his wonderful providence left us his word. Through careful self-abased study God’s word will clear up the confusion and the church can stand in one accord.
“So continuing daily in one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart…and the Lord added to the church daily…” – Acts 2:46
9/30/2006 10:17 PM
I was particularly impacted by chapter three in "The Cosmic Christ of Scripture," appropriately titled, "Let the Holy Scriptures Speak!" The title of the chapter itself is a command, challenge, and call to listen to what Scripture itself says, even, if not especially, in our definition of Scripture's role for faith.
Could it be that in our very defense of Scripture, we deny the words and refuse to listen to what it says? This goes back to Hanna's description of his dynamic model where Scripture tests our perceptions of Christ/Nature and Christ/Nature test our interpretations of Scripture. Our definitions of Scripture and inspiration come under scrutiny from Scripture itself.
Hanna writes, "This unintended but real disrespect for Scripture is manifest in the exclusive definition of the Scripture principles so that other revelations recognized by Scritpure are undermined" (35). If we really hold Scripture as our sole rule of faith and practice, why do we not listen to what it says when pointing out other revelations of God. Sola scriptura cannot be defined exclusively, saying the Bible is the only revelation of God we have, because in that very statement we deny what the Bible itself says about God's multi-vaceted revelations.
Hanna expounds on Daniel 12:4 and the concept of knowlege increasing, saying that "God's people may contribute to an increase in both secular and sacred knowledge" (38). In other words, the Scriptures themselves talk about the need to go to and fro in increasing our knowledge (of God and our world), benefiting from the mutual illumination that results.
This whole discussion does not negate Scriptures' importance. Hanna adds that, "Scripture alone defines the roles of other divine revelations including their roles in illuminating Scripture" (36). At first, this statment bothered me and I wondered why. I was bothered because it seemed to elevate Scripture above Christ. Yet, because Christ is not here today, walking the planet, Scripture is the best we have to define in memory the record of God's encounters with us.
I wonder if God's word of Scripture will still be available in the libraries of heaven or if God will just say to wait in a line to talk to Moses or Elijah or Esther and hear their first-hand oral accounts? Whether the written Scriptures are there or not, the point is that the Living Word, one who raised from the dead and now makes intercession for us is the One who is pointed and witnessed to in Scripture.
I found Hanna's idea of three separate primacies to be a useful framework in defining God's revelations. Christ has ontological primacy, the cosmos has contextual primacy, and Scripture has epistemological primacy.
We have no way of knowing Christ lived, died, raised, and is coming again soon, without the Scriptures, which is why they have epistemological primacy. But just one question... When Christ walked on the earth, did Scripture still have epistemological authority over the people who watched the program? Was everything he did and said tested by Scripture? Yet, He went so far beyond Scripture.
Finally, when we have exclusive, narrow, unbiblical methods of exegesis, simply to win an argument, we have already lost the war. We will not let Holy Scriptures speak because we are too busy defending our own definitions of Holy Scripture.
9/30/2006 11:47 PM
Can we trust the scripture as the inerreant word of God? Can the scripture stand in this age of mysticism and post-modernism? What makes the scripture so vital in our times?
These are questions that parades the average mind on a regular basis. As i read the "Cosmic Christ of Scripture" i recognize in a real way that the scripture is still the only rule rule of faith and practise. Eventhough many scholars have employed a exclusive view of scripture the Word of God still prevails. The author brings to the fore the great need to have a wholistic view of scripture. He takes the traditional approach and build on it in such a way that it is harmonious to principles that we hold so dearly to. The word of God is still the only rule of faith and practise,and it guides the Christian in matters of knowledge. I am happy to know that the scripture is a "theological guide to extra-biblical knowledge of the cosmos." (32) This perspective is quite profound and adds a fresh dimension to the study of scripture. I agree with the author in this regard, and it is my belief that scripture contains vital information for a better understanding of the cosmos.
I am for the inclusive approach to scripture. It affords a broad base understanding of the vital truths expressed within. It defines the roles of other divine revelation. For us to have a clear understanding of scripture there must be a willingness to go to and fro as is expressed in Daniel 12:4. As we go to and fro in scripture our knowledge of God and the Cosmos will increase. As we go to and fro we will see things in a better fashion. The author is suggesting that we should go to and fro among scripture, cosmos and Christ. As we go to and fro in scripture we will increase knowledge. Jesus seems to be in agreement with this principle as he declare in Jh. 5: 39 " You search the sripture for in them you think you have eternal life; and testify of me. And you will not come to me that you might have life." Christ here asserts that knowledge of eternal life is available to searchers of the
scripture.
As we stand on the threshold of eternity, bombarded by many questions oh that we would search the scripture and stand on its principles as the rule of faith and practise.
Jesus had nothing to do with the various subjects of dissension among the Jews. It was His work to present the truth. His words shed a flood of light upon the teachings of patriarchs and prophets, and the Scriptures came to men as a new revelation. Never before had His hearers perceived such a depth of meaning in the word of God.
Desire of Ages, p 245
While I was doing my devotional in the Desire of Ages, I came across this paragraph of where Mrs. White talks about how scripture came to men as a new revelation, through the truth that Jesus taught. I found this to be relevant to your message about the search for knowledge of God through scriptures. Even though the Jews thought they had it all figured out by studying the scriptures, they still were blind to the real message. This shows how the Jewish people used the bible for justification of their lifestyle instead of Justification of changing their lives for God. Remember they thought they were doing what the scripture required them to do. They kept all the laws and followed every commandment. They even memorized the bible, in some cases. You would think that they would have recognized the prophecies being fulfilled right before their eyes, but Christ pointed out their blindness in the knowledge they had chosen to learn. This is why the Jews, who accepted Jesus’ message, felt that they received a new revelation from Christ’s word or scripture, because there it was so different than what they knew from the Rabbi’s and their own understanding. This is true today, we must continue to learn more of God’s word and have an open mind when we study. We shouldn’t have presuppositions when studying the word. It brings us to on going process of learning, or an eternal process of learning. The Bible has more to be revealed as we submit ourselves to Christ, Scripture and the cosmos.
The concept of God’s tree books is tremendous in correctly understanding Theology. We as Protestants claim that the bible and the bible alone is our only rule of faith and practice. This has been clearly stated in Cosmic Christ of Scripture. Yet here is my understanding of what Hanna has presented.
By definition we as Protestants also believe in God’s other books. Here is my line of reasoning. We claim that scripture is the word of God. We claim that it is primary in God’s revelations. In its primacy, the bible claims that Jesus is the living word, or revelation of what the scriptures have been trying to explain all along (John 1:1-3; John 5:39). We also see that scripture claims the cosmos as a valid revelation of God (Psa 19:1; Rom 1:20; etc). Also I would like to point out that Humans are part of the cosmos (creation) of God that is a revelation of God, through the prophets (whose words are also contained in scripture - Heb 1:1), and through the testimony of our life (what God living in us does to our life) (Rev 12:11). Notice that in Revelation 12:11 it is our testimony, that is, our revelation of God in and through our lives that helps us (along with the blood of Christ) overcome the Devil. Someone once told me that the strongest witness I have to another human being is my personal testimony, what God has done in my life. That is revelation as well.
I want to point out some observations that I have also made as I am better understanding the book and applying its principles to scripture. Jesus was in the Beginning (John 1:1-3) He is the true author of the scriptures (2 Pet 1:19-21; 2 Tim 3:14-17). Yet he uses scripture as his claim to authority as the Son of God (John 5:39). So each testify the primacy of the other, yet both are originated from God, his words and his living word. This by simple reasoning implies that they would never contradict each other, for they have the same root, the same message, and they claim each other. Tying this in with what I said in the paragraph before scripture is actually part of the cosmos in that it came through the cosmos (God’s creation). This said, it only makes sense that their would be complete unity in all three.
Therefore is there anything that an honest Christian should fear in using all three books “to and fro” with each other? I don’t see why. We will only better understand the truth of each by using them to understand each other. This lies only in starting with the Scriptures as the rule/norm, since it is what even Christ claims as his norm (John 10:35). This of course only makes sense realizing that the scriptures are the words of God (Christ included).
Scripture has always spark much discussion over the century. Many wonder, can it be trusted? Is it really inspired? Can it stand as our rule of faith and practice? Of a fact the Scriptures can be trusted, because they are inspired by God 2Tim 3:16. Thus interms of Revelation scripture alone should define the role of divine revelation. Therfore no other revelation should be placed above the scripture, scripture is first.
Dr Hanna seems to be suggetsing that there needs to be a too and fro motion in scripture in order for Theology to take place. There also need to be, a to and fro from scripture to Christ and from Christ to Scripture and to the Cosmos. Though one goes to and fro from scripture to Christ and cosmos , Christ must be the center of the and focus of our search. What good will it be if we search the scriptures and not go to Christ? Scripture then reveals Christ and and is the first and best revelation of Christ.
Surely, Scripture is not to treated like some little child or like a spear tire. Scripture needs to be studied and should give a clear view of who Christ is. Therefore, scripture is the only rule of faith and practice, because of its authority from God and it stands alone as God unique revelation.
One recurrent tragedy in Christendom is the unwillingness to allow Scripture speak for itself. This situation has given rise to varied theological opinions about matters of faith and practice from one denomination to another. This unfortunate situation is manifested in “the exclusive definition of Scripture principles so that other revelations recognized by Scripture are undermined” or in the “inclusive definitions which elevate other revelations in a way that compromises the divine authority of Scripture.”
But the authority of Scripture is to be conceived in a “wholistic” sense (2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 19-21) with god as the center of attraction having authority in Scripture and in other revelations. Paul postulates: “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God….” and Peter affirms: “No Scripture is of private interpretation”
Scripture alone has its unique primacy as the written word of God which points to the Living Word of God – Jesus – the source of life (John 5:39-40) within the cosmos.
The result is both evident and obvious that when Scripture is suppressed, silenced or not given its rightful place – to speak, our perception of the incarnation and cosmos is marred, thus leaving us miserably hopeless. Therefore, we must always let the Bible speak for itself.
ELEMS, Ugochukwu
One recurrent tragedy in Christendom is the unwillingness to allow Scripture speak for itself. This situation has given rise to varied theological opinions about matters of faith and practice from one denomination to another. This unfortunate situation is manifested in “the exclusive definition of Scripture principles so that other revelations recognized by Scripture are undermined” or in the “inclusive definitions which elevate other revelations in a way that compromises the divine authority of Scripture.”
But the authority of Scripture is to be conceived in a “wholistic” sense (2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 19-21) with god as the center of attraction having authority in Scripture and in other revelations. Paul postulates: “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God….” and Peter affirms: “No Scripture is of private interpretation”
Scripture alone has its unique primacy as the written word of God which points to the Living Word of God – Jesus – the source of life (John 5:39-40) within the cosmos.
The result is both evident and obvious that when Scripture is suppressed, silenced or not given its rightful place – to speak, our perception of the incarnation and cosmos is marred, thus leaving us miserably hopeless. Therefore, we must always let the Bible speak for itself.
ELEMS, Ugochukwu
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