Wendy Feese Reading Reflection for Doctrine of Salvation 9/3/08 My reading included many aspects of salvation as we discussed in class. It included the idea that we must be saved because we have all sinned as a consequence of the sin of Adam, but that God has the power to save us because of the good news of what Jesus did for us on the cross, as well as Ellen White’s personal experience of salvation. I appreciated the document on the Biblical Research Institutes site about Adam’s relationship to our need for salvation. To experience salvation we must see our need for it. In looking at what Adam lost when he first sinned, and what we as his descendants have never had the privilege of having because he could not give us what he had lost, reminds me why need a savior and why we need salvation. I appreciated the statements about the fact that Adam passed on to us a rebellious nature makes it impossible for us to be able to make correct decisions by ourselves, but that God through Christ gives us that power. The reading in Romans gave me more questions than answers. Before I have read this chapter and deeply studied it and felt I had a good understanding of what it said, but as I read with the idea of learning about Salvation I questioned what verse 16 really meant. What does Paul mean when he says that the gospel is the power of God for the salvation of everyone? Must we know the Gospel to be saved? I don’t believe so. Perhaps it is that what we know from the gospel, Christ died and rose again, is what saves all people or gives all people the option of salvation. That seems more likely to me. The information of Ellen White’s personal conversion was very informative. I do know think that at this time I can come to any conclusions about salvation as a result of it, but it will help as I continue to read that book and her writings in regards to salvation.
Having searched in vain for a common theme to amongst my reading assignments and the lecture, I will summarize them one by one.
If the purpose of the lecture was to instill a sense of the variedness with which the Bible writers describe the experience of salvation, Dr. Hanna succeeded. We focused on the past, present, and future aspects of salvation, but there was one concept on the board that could not be incorporated into the heading of “process”: “inheritance”. I would like to see Dr. Hanna develop this concept further, so that we can discover whether it is a part of the “process” of salvation or a distinct metaphor for salvation on its own.
Some new thoughts occurred to me while reading Romans 1. (1) To say “I am not ashamed” presupposes that the gospel is naturally a shameful thing, presumably because of its connection to crucifixion. (2) The catalogue of evil behaviors is presented not as a list of sins but as the results of sin. (3) Sin, in this chapter, is suppressing the truth about God and worshiping his creation (idolatry).
Whidden’s book promises to be an interesting read. I very much appreciated getting the Wesleyan context of Ellen White’s formative salvation experience . Likewise, the BRI document on Adam gave a helpful survey of White’s statements on the topic of original sin and synthesized a balanced theology of the topic.
My only problem with the BRI document (not only this one, but most I’ve read), and to some extent Whidden’s book as well, is that addresses not only the topic at hand, but also the author’s theological opponents. I understand that argument is necessary to the task of doing theology, but if we only write papers against those whose viewpoints we disagree with, we add nothing constructive to the theological conversation and end up defining ourselves primarily in relation to our adversaries. Therefore, to be honest, and I will only write this once, I’m not looking forward to reading this slate of BRI documents, and would have preferred a reading assignment that included more constructive theological papers (e.g. the articles in Seventh-day Adventists Believe and Handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology).
To begin with, it was interesting how, in Whiddon’s book, Ellen White struggled with the idea of salvation and how, even after she accepted Christ, she struggled mightily with the desire “to be sanctified to God.” I have to admit, I never knew about this concept that the sanctification of God would come as an instantaneous moment of time and that the person would realize as such. It’s no wonder that she struggled so! It seems that the incidents involving the Holiness fanatics later in her ministry actually helped her to see more clearly what sanctification is all about. As I read of her experience, I was very much in awe. I wonder just how many people truly seek Jesus and His righteousness with such zeal in today’s age. It was wonderful to read of someone desiring Jesus so much, not to mention the excitement of knowing that this person who wanted nothing less than to know God in such a way as she would end up one day seeing Jesus in visions! That’s when the expression that Paul states in Romans 1:16, 17 really came racing back into my mind. The gospel truly is the power of God; it truly reveals the righteousness of God. I love Paul and I love Romans. Paul has such a way of writing truths that there is NO way he could survive as a politician—he’s too honest! He really breaks down that ALL people have, to one extent or another, have beheld God. I think Paul is basically saying something similar to what Dr. Hanna says in his book, namely that nature is the third book or “word” of the declaration of Christ. That is what Paul is saying in Romans 1. There is no excuse for the Gentiles since God has been revealed to them—it was they whom decided to turn from that revelation and exchange “the truth of God for a lie.” While reading this, something jumped out at me. Three times the record says that “God gave them up…”. This is a wonderful example of just how much God loves ALL people; He had to give them up—He didn’t want to but He allowed the people to follow their own ways. I sense sadness there somewhat like when Jesus asked His disciples in John 6:67, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” Amazing. With the BRI paper, I enjoyed reading the way that Rodriguez approached the thought of salvation through Mrs. White’s viewpoints. I sensed that part of the paper was actually a response to a viewpoint of another, especially in regards to whether or not Adam’s posterity was present in Adam at the time of his fall. It seems that salvation can be a topic of easy understanding and complex thought at the same time!
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 01 THST 540 - 09/02/08
It was very interesting to read about the personal experience that Ellen White went through. I have studied Ellen White before, but I understood her so much more after reading the Whidden studies. It was a surprisingly human insight to realize that she struggled with the same things that people of her time did – suffering, loss, struggles with her relationship and the assurance of God. She struggled with the understanding the primary bases of sanctification and perfection. She was constantly and consistently growing – just as we are today. Àngel M. Rodriguez’s article on Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of E.W. comforted me. It was easier to find a clear and linear definition of sin and its consequences to the entire world. It was interesting to see how this article lays out strong biblical bases for a further discussion on the God’s nature. I have recently been studying the implications and theories about the nature of Christ, more precisely in the way Rodriguez explains the consequences of sin and how they relate to everybody - shaping not only our world and universe but also our minds and perception of God. It is only through the understanding of this foundation that one can fully comprehend the incapacity inherent in the human nature to do anything for his own salvation, and the value of every personal decision. To me, this greatly magnifies the redemptive mission of Christ. I better understand Romans after reading the previously mentioned article. It is through the comprehension of the effects of the universal disaster of sin that one can understand the devastating consequences that Paul addresses. Nonetheless, it is also in this chapter that Paul exacerbates the mission of Christ, and its direct relationship with the redemption from sin (verse 3). Once again, it is clear the power and potential consequences based on the letting humans decide whether or not to accept their own Creator as Christ.
Ángel Manuel Rodríguez shared insights on how sin came into the world and how the human race became affected by it. It was through the disobedience of one man, Adam, that we his posterity became sinful. We inherited the sinful tendencies, not the sin, from him because he was our father. The author shows how Ellen White connects us to Adam by using such terms as “Head of the earthly family” and “representative”, and that connection shows that we are in need of God’s salvation as Adam was. God showed his love for mankind by giving us Jesus Christ to be our Savior. One area the author did not mention is that the results of sin did not only affect Adam and his descendants, but also the whole creation. Romans 8:21-23 states that, “… the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.” Ellen White states that “Suffering and death were thus entailed, not only upon the human race, but upon the animals. Surely, then, it becomes man to seek to lighten, instead of increasing, the weight of suffering which his transgression has brought upon God's creatures.” PP 443 As the mankind, we are thankful for the gift of salvation that we have, for it is only through this gift that we can live in hope and happiness. Our lives should manifest that hope of salvation, even in the way we treat animals as Ellen White implies, in the continuation of the statement above “He who will abuse animals because he has them in his power is both a coward and a tyrant.” PP 443 The implication here is a strong one, if God cares about how we treat animals, seeing that they are suffering because of mankind’s sin, how important is it then that we treat each other with love and compassion, honor and respect. Are these not the fruit of a life lived in the bright hope of salvation through Jesus Christ? In our class discussion, it was revealed that the bible talks extensively of salvation in past, present and future tense, therefore admonition us to live our lives as people that have been saved, are in the process of being saved, and will experience the joy of the finished work of salvation to come. Our hope of salvation will be manifested in the way we worship our God, in the way we treat each other as human beings and even in the way we treat animals on earth. All this is made possible by the powerful gift of salvation which Paul confidently states saying, “… I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth...”. Romans 1:16. In the latter verses of this chapter, the bible advocates that those who embrace the gospel of salvation will live righteous lives, unlike that of the world. The doctrine of salvation encourages us to live our lives in harmony with God’s. Ellen White, in her own experience dealing with the issues of salvation, justification, sanctification and glorification, emphasized “holiness of heart,” and also the fact that “sanctification was not the work of a moment, but that of a lifetime. Perfection was not to be claimed as some sinless accomplishment, but rather sought as a way of life that would see believers grow in grace until they received the finishing touch of sinlessness at glorification.”
Romans 1, The article “Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of E. G. White”, “Ellen White on Salvation, chap 1& 2; Class discussion.
The readings for this week are touching in a way or another the subject discussed in class. First of all Angel Manuel Rodriguez is talking about Adam’s fall and the human race inheritance from Adam. I liked the idea that God didn’t stopped to love the human race after the sin, “but rather that it was impossible for His abundant and rich love to reach them”. God is still here, but we do not see Him because of our sins. We can not understand the terrible consequence of the sin and what Adam has done, because we are born and live in sin. For us this is the only nature which we know. Further the author of the article is saying that we are “born in a sinful condition and state, that is to say separated from God, that made sinful acts inevitable.” And here we come to the subject which we discussed in class. If we are born in a sinful condition and state it means that the salvation can not be a condition or state, it means that salvation is more like a process. We are in a sinful state and we work to receive salvation, and when I refer that we work to receive salvation, I am saying that we have received free salvation from God and because we have accepted this our character and deeds are others then what was before we accepted Jesus in our life. Romans chapter one is connect whit this article, showing the decadence of human race, decadence which we have inherited from Adam, “in Adam all was lost through transgression." Chapter one and two from the book Ellen White on salvation is talking more about the misunderstandings regarding salvation. We can not understand that salvation “the great love of God” which is “expressed to us in one gift, that of his dear Son”. We tend to chose one of the extremes, to be legalistic and say that we must work hard to be saved and when you received salvation the Holy Spirit comes upon you and you are not sinning anymore, or we chose the liberal way and we say that for salvation we must not do anything, we need just to wait. As we discussed in class, salvation is past, present and future, is a gift from God ant this is seen in our day by day life.
Before I begin writing my reflection paper, I need to make sure that the reader has background information about me that will enable him/her to appreciate my thoughts and perspective. First, I did not major in theology. Secondly, I am a second generation Adventist. My father was not Adventist and occasionally attended a Baptist church on Sundays, but my mother was Adventist. Both parents attended Haitian-Creole and/or French speaking churches, and I was forced to attend their respective churches. I was always physically present for church every week, but seldom did I actively listen to the sermons. I attended an Adventist Academy for 7th and 8th grade only, and at that level teachers and pastors use the word “salvation” as though it were common knowledge. This is my first year in the Seminary and the first time that I’ve had to really analyze the Scriptures and our doctrines at this level. In light of my background, the class discussion and the assigned reading materials made me realize that as Christians we are not unified when it comes to how we define “salvation” and I don’t know as much as I thought I did about salvation. As Professor Hanna noted in class, we all have different ways of describing salvation which is further evidence of our disunity and lack of knowledge as to how we define and understand salvation. However, we all share the same belief that salvation is through Jesus Christ. Next, I had many questions after reading the article Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of Ellen G. White by Angel Manuel Rodriguez. I don’t understand how Adam accepted the gift of salvation and when that happened. And secondly, I disagree with Rodriguez’s position that Adam’s sin put a stop to direct communication between God and man. As evidence for my position, I reference Ex. 3:4 – 4:23, the dialogue between God and Moses. As a result of the readings and class discussion, I concur with Woodrow Whidden that personal study is the key to a better understanding of truth as it relates to salvation. There’s more, but no more space.
Comment on Tiago's Paper - I liked how you were able to appreciate Ellen White's struggle to understand perfection and sanctification.
Secondly, I agree with you statement regarding the Rodriguez article when you stated that "[i]t is only through the understanding of this foundation that one can fully comprehend the incapacity inherent in the human nature to do anything for his own salvation, and the value of every personal decision." As Rodriguez stated we have "inherent propensities of disobedience." Only Christ can give up the power to fight against those propensities and overcome.
NAME: ROSANA, JOEL REFLECTION PAPER I THST 540 BRI "THE DYNAMICS OF SALVATION ROMANS CHAPTER ONE
As it is well stated in the academia world, that, 'education is not a point, but linear', this dawned in my life when we were unearthing the discussion of what is salvation as per - Sanctification, Justification and glorification. My previous understanding was put in a corner as I was ready to receive the new insights which I want to appreciate greatly. According to the article the dynamics of salvation, these same ideologies are vividly expressed and this makes my understanding more broad. The first point in this the acceptance that evil is a mystery and the salvation on the cross too is a mystery to human. No clear explanation can be made. Good news is that, salvation is God’s business and hence accepts it that way, because it was an idea that was in records and agreement even before the foundation of the earth was set. Why God business? Try to examine yourself, Why do I do what do? You don't know. Then this clear tells you that there is one who is in control and all that is needed from us is total surrender to his will. It is good news that my salvation and yours is taken care of by God. It is His initiative that you should be saved and that is already done in Jesus. The salvation of God is entirely dependant on God and this is through is righteous acts. This salvation is on the basis of grace alone as Paul echoes it in the book of Ephesians 2:8-9, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” History has it that God has been in this business from the time sin cropped up in this world. When Adam sinned He came and called him ‘where are you’, when the Israelites were in both captivity in Egypt and Babylon, He did come out and saved them. The great of all is by sending His son to die for our sins and hence all humanity was saved. When business is done, what next? Man now has new status in Christ. He has been ‘justified’ in Christ. He too has be ‘reconciled’ to God by Christ and then fully ‘forgiven’ through Christ. ‘By been ‘adopted’ he is a Child of God and as much as he lives he is assured of been ‘sanctified’ in readiness for the heavenly kingdom. As much as we live in this world in Christ our nature shall be reflecting His. The ‘new birth’ shall enable us to be different from whom we were. We shall be fully restored in the sense that there will be hope for the future, which shall enable us to grow spiritually and in the process be thankful to God in Heaven.
By reading these materials on this very important topic, I come to realize that much study need to be done on that topic, with the intent to provide more concise explanation. This is what I think brings a lot of confusion in our churches when it comes to salvation. Many Seven day Adventist people do not understand Ellen G. White in her proper sense. For example, Ellen G white talks about salvation and relates other important subjects with it such as perfection, justification, sanctification, ect... These are very significant topics and can help individuals to understand Ellen G White’s view on salvation. I am pretty sure that Sister White’s view on salvation is not too complex for people to understand, as I mentioned already, a lot of studies need to be done. Ellen G White, certainly suggests to people to consult other sources most importantly the Bible all the times. On the other hand Paul tells his readers that the gospel is the only source power of salvation, according to Paul, there are evidences from creation, nature, God’s eternal power, his writing and even Himself is vividly God’s evidence of salvation.
Some people according to Paul have no excuse, yet salvation still remain a mystery because the ways that God intervened in the history of human being and redeemed the whole world it is unimaginable, yes, this subject has to bring lot of questions in mind. Even in our class discussion last week almost every group has a different view of salvation that should tell us that we need to study more about salvation even the theologian not quit clear about this subject. In our class discussion last week I did not even have chance to ask one question because there were so many question about salvation. As we can see this topic from time to time bothers human being. For instance, during Jesus’ time, we discover that many people came to Jesus and ask him question about how they can receive salvation? The disciples also asked Jesus the same question? After Jesus ascended to heaven people were still coming to His disciple and asking them the same question. I think that the early church was not satisfied with the answer they received about salvation so are the people who are living in the last days as well.
I think that way, we started our discussion about salvation will share much light in the class and definitely we are going to learn more about salvation after the semester is over. Although we have our own view about salvation, as students of the bible, we must come to one understanding that Christ is the only one way for salvation; we can only receive it by his grace through faith. Not by good deeds as many believe. I am sure that this is the gospel Paul preached to the Roman and to others, this is the core of the gospel.
Universal salvation While the above topic can be misleading to those who continue to sin with the hope of getting it freely, Ángel Manuel Rodríguez in the document “Christ Saved the Human Race” uses powerful statements from Ellen white to put the record straight. Although there is a provision of universal salvation, it is not automatic to everyone but Ellen White put it clear that “if they would accept it”. This implies to me that we must be prepared to fulfill this simple condition of accepting. Then, this salvation was freely brought to those who are ready to accept it and recognize Christ as a bridge to salvation since he has provided accessibility to God. Yes Christ paid it all at the cross but we must be ready to accept what is required of us.
In the same way Paul longs to meet the Romans in Romans 1 because he wanted to show them the way to salvation not the “godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (v.18). Here I can see him warning them to avoid all wickedness, this shows the salvation was not for all but to those who accepted Him.
Furthermore I observed from Whidden II that Ellen White was also disturbed whether she can get salvation because the process of sanctification was difficult according to the teachings of her earlier times. Inspite of the confusion and frustration about her salvation, she was later able to understand that perfection is not achieved immediately but a lifelong process.
I can now deduce that universal salvation is available to those who are willingly ready to accept the invitation but not our own making.
Since I’m finding it difficult to fine a common theme throughout all that I’ve read, I will seek to deal with the three different readings separately; Romans, Ángel Manuel Rodriguez, and lastly Woodrow Whidden II.
Interestingly, I’ve just finished ready Romans in my private devotions and now I’m asked to read it again. In re-reading the first chapter I too was also struck by Paul’s insistence and pride in the gospel of Jesus. He says boldly, “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of all who believes…” (1:16). Isn’t it paradoxical that the thing that is such a disgrace (the cross) is the very thing that God uses for our salvation. Moreover, Paul says that is the power of God for salvation for all. Meaning that everybody who desires salvation must come to grips with the meaning of this sacrificial act on God’s behalf. Then he goes on to say that the gospel has a righteousness itself, it is by faith. What doest his fully mean?
In reading Rodriquez article I realized that I never really thought about the effects Adam’s sin had on the human race. The section discussing Adam’s solidarity was particularly intriguing. In short the suggestion is being made that Ellen White teaches that the sin of Adam and Eve is not passed down to us but that the effects and disposition of sin is in instead. I had never really considered this before. So when we say that we are born into sin does this then mean that we are born with a disposition to sin which is inevitable or that when we are born we are automatically sinful? How does this view compare to the Catholic view.?
Lastly, Whidden’s book on Ellen White will seem to be beneficial in providing much needed context to the statements of the Servant of God. In reading I guess what I didn’t know ist hat Ellen White struggled with the same things as we do today. Specifically, I’m interested to see and understand her struggle regarding the issue of salvation. I only read the first chapter, but it promises to be a good read.
The three scopes of Salvation that we covered in class were that of Justification, Sanctification and Glorification. These are important because in my reading for this week because Whidden says that justification by faith is still one of the main issues that continues to provoke controversy in our church. Whidden’s approach to the study on salvation was to locate every use of “justification,” “imputation,” “impartation,” and “perfection” as well as their varied forms to come to a conclusion. In Romans 1 there are a number of these forms that arose in my reading. In verse 17 the Bible says, “The just shall live by faith. Verse 21 says, “When they knew God they glorified Him not as God nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.” Verse 23 says, “and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. These verses only raise more questions like how to live by faith or how can we change the glory of incorruptible God to corruptible? Angel Rodrigez gives a firm understanding of the fall of the human race in his article “Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of Ellen G. White. He shows clearly what sin is and how it affects us as humans, first in separation from God and how it leads to death and everything in between. This is important to our class discussions because it helps us to understand even stronger our need for salvation whether it is an inheritance, state, process, goal, or status. I am of the opinion that although salvation is all of these things, it is an inheritance first and foremost. I believe this because without Christ’s death on the cross salvation could not be a goal and the state wouldn't make any sense, the status would be confusing and the process will be never ending. Christ’s death gives us the opportunity to inherit something so precious that salvation can only be an inheritance.
This is a reflection of our previous class discussion as well as our scheduled reading assignment. Our class last week displayed the different views that we as a class had on what aspect of salvation was more important. Inheritance, goal, state, process, and status were chosen and debated. I then read chapter one from Whidden’s book and the article, “Christ Saved the Human Race”. I was able to garner some interesting points from each and will try to expound on it with precision. Whidden concluded that Ellen White’s view on salvation is that justification and perfection are “closely related and the believer cannot have one without the other (1T 22,23)”. Interestingly, in class there were some who believed that inheritance was the most important step in salvation, however, in the article “Christ Saved the Human Race”, the author states “that Christ through his life of obedience and his sacrificial death paid the price for our redemption and bridged the separation caused by the sin of Adam making it possible for repentant sinners to have access to and be accepted by God.” I find it interesting that the author of this article concludes in his research of Ellen White’s writings that salvation is not inherited.
I realize from the discussions in class that the whole issue of salvation is multi-dimensional. In that, it is not a one off event – something that has been experienced by an individual in the past. On the contrary, salvation is a process that an individual experiences in the past, present and future. Based on the assigned reading from the BRI, it should also be noted that the consequences of sin are depravity, separation and death. As man’s representative, Adam sinned. Salvation was offered to Adam and he accepted the gift. Adam’s stead before God was really as the representative of the human race that rebelled against God. All humanity did not sin in Adam but as a result of Adam’s sin, sin was passed down to his descendants. But when Adam accepted the gift of salvation offered to him by God, he provided the possibility for his posterity to accept the same offer of salvation. Every blessing that God provided to Adam was also made available to his descendants. Salvation therefore could not be a state of being. It would mean that we would agree that we were all born in a present state (saved) and we would have to agree that as a result of Adam’s acceptance of the gift, all humanity is in a saved state. If this was so, Christ’s death on the cross would not be necessary. Consequently, Adam’s salvation process was being experienced as he exercised faith in the sacrificing of lambs and looked forward to the ultimate time when the lamb of God would die on the cross to take away the sins of the world. According to Chapter 2 of Whidden’s book, Ellen White like many other individuals who exist today, misunderstood sanctification and consequently salvation based on the teachings she got from the Methodists. She was taught that it was a one-off blessing that would electrify her soul and that failure to receive it would put the person in dilemma. In Conclusion, Paul makes it clear in Romans chapter 1, that the preaching of the gospel is necessary for salvation because it is the power of God to those who believe. The gospel is about Jesus. People need to make choices as it relates to whether they’ll be saved or lost. They can do this by their daily acceptance or rejection of Jesus. In conclusion, one should understand that salvation like justification, sanctification and glorification has past, present and future application and implication and should be looked at from a broad perspective.
The issue of Salvation is not to be dealt with lightly, because of it diversity and complexity that is presented in Scripture. Salvation had often presented in ways that caused confusions and arguments, so it had become a burden instead of being a blessing as God intend it to be for the knowledge of man. Reflecting on Woodrow W Whidden’s book, ‘Ellen White on Salvation’, the experienced of Ellen G White in her early years of conversion reflected how critical it is to present Salvation in its near totality and clarity. She was able to find peace of mind in her realization that to be accepted and worthy to be called “Child of God”, she had to avoid depending on self accomplishments but to have faith in Jesus’ sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. This one of several aspects of Salvation that the Apostle Paul emphasized in his epistles that the “just shall be live by faith.”(Romans 1: 17). This biblical truth indicated the uselessness of trying to obtain salvation through human efforts without total surrendering of ones life to the mercy and grace of God. It is only in full understanding and acceptance of the forgiveness of sin and being justified as God’s prerogative, can a person find rest. Ellen G White’s growth on Salvation was again unsettling by the idea of “Sanctification”. This concept brought her discouragement because it was presented as an “experienced of complete holiness” on behalf of an individual and it was perceived as “work of a moment.” However, sanctification is the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the individual. This work is done within a person that brings about transformation and the individual is able to reflect Christlike characters. Therefore, the idea of sanctification is a work of a life time, the partnership of God and man through the work of the Holy Spirit. Although Ellen G White struggled with her early conversion experiences but they’d helpful in her understanding of Salvation. Salvation therefore must never be considered from one aspect and ignored the others. I draw this conclusion from the insight that we had shared in class and the experienced of Ellen G White.
It is a good start to talk about faith when we deal with salvation. In Romans, there is one of the most famous verses which is “for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, ‘But the righteous man shall live by faith.’” We can find faith in this verse three times. It means if you want to live you have to have faith. Apostle Paul begins his book with emphasizing faith. But I especially want to focus on this phrase, from faith to faith. I have known this verse for a long time, however, it made me think deeply this time. And I finally related this issue to Ellen White’s perception of perfection. Even Ellen White had confusion and sometimes didn’t understand some doctrines clearly. As time went by, she became to understand what sanctification and perfection really mean. But I like how the author, Woodrow Whidden, describes about her development. He says, “she moved simple, more childlike expressions of truth to greater clarity and sophistication.(p.11)” As her writing style was described, her definition became modified slightly chronologically. She said that sanctification was not the work of a moment, but that of a lifetime. When I read this I thought I could understand what the phrase, from faith to faith means. To believe in God and to get saved mean to grow in God continuously. And the article Adam and the human race is very simple and clear about the sinfulness in human nature problem. Even though we are to be dead God gave us hope which is that anyone who accepts Jesus will get saved. Romans 1: 16 says, “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.” So as we discussed in the class we cannot get saved by our deeds of law. We only can be saved by accepting the Savior.
I appreciate that you mentioned “God has the power to save us because of the good news of what Jesus did for us on the cross.” In a sense, it could be a just simple statement but it is the core value of Christianity and we often forget about it. Another point that I agree with you is that before I read Romans without thinking salvation deeply the book just seemed one of the books talking about Jews and laws. But after I thought about the gospel and the relationship between gospel and salvation, I began having more questions on many words as you did. But as you said whether or not we know the gospel the fact that Jesus died on the cross and resurrected saves us.
piasi suleiman said.... refrection paper.1 yes it is good to have such approader perspective of salvation.we should not narrow it to one persons understanding.when itabled down what i researched in the book of romans 1, widded w.woodrow on the article concerning ellen white on her salvation,and several other resourses i have studied before,icould say that salvation is amere gift from GOD.however since most people have that mentality that gifts in most cases dont have value,they have to look for adeeper prize to pay for their salvation.paul in chapt1 says that he is not ashamed of the gospel for it is a power of GOD to bring salvation.i agree with dr. hannas broader expression of salvation in his lectures last week which coul accommodate different thinkers views without loosing the taste of true meaning of salvation. paul says that all have sinned and have gone short of of GOds groly.so widded was no ashamed to bring abroader perspective on how ellen white also struggled in her earlier years to be saved. when we must accept this merit of salvation which we have been given freely.igot aclear picture on this how ishould gain confidence on the plan of GOd to redeem us. there must be aclear distinction of working towards your salvation and working because of your salvation. when jesus becomes our centre of focus,all writters accepted that GOD gave them anew look on salvation
Doctrine of Salvation Reflection 2 There are many aspects to Salvation, as we have been discussing in class and as the reading this week proved. In reading the article from the Biblical Research Institute I was reminded that though we need a view of salvation that encompasses all of Scripture, we must remain scriptural. The idea of God’s salvation being given to all in a legal way seems somewhat appealing, and yet it seems to me to instantly lead to the idea that God won’t let anyone choose to be punished, that all will be saved, which of course does not match the Bible at all. I think that the picture represented in the Bible and brought out in this article is of course the best picture. That our salvation has both a legal and experiential aspect which is we gain when we believe and receive salvation from God, who died for all people and wants that all will take his salvation, but he does not force that salvation on anyone in any way. That is the God that I know and the salvation that he offers, free to all who will accept it. I appreciated the chapter on Ellen Whites teachings about Salvation before 1888. She had a very balanced view of salvation. The book presented some to make claims about what she taught, which she does not get away from even today, that were untrue. But she proudly held up Jesus as her Lord and Savior and also did not back down on the point that Jesus changes us into His obedient children. I appreciate the balance that I saw from her in responding to others’ claims. Romans chapter two seemed to me to focus on the fact that saved people keep the law. But I love the last little part where Paul points out that saved people keep the law from their hearts and not from outward forces. Paul of course is making his point here to lead his readers to realize that they are not saved and make them want salvation. I think it is important for people to realize where they are and where the goal is if they are to decide to move toward God. That is what Paul is doing in this chapter
Romans chapter 1 includes two verses that I am committed to memory for quite some time now. In Verse 16 Paul is talking about not being ashamed of the gospel (Power of Christ to save), because it is the power of salvation for everyone who believes. This verse has long been what I might say a motto for me. I’ve always greatly admired Paul for his great commitment to God; striving to finish the race while throwing off everything that hinders. Reading this verse again, a new thought came to mind; was Paul ever ‘ashamed’ of the gospel in maybe a way that many of us might have been at one time or another? I’m sure most people have encountered the ‘praying at the restaurant table’ dilemma. Was Paul every ‘ashamed’ of the gospel in a way such as this? I actually don’t think so, for the rest of the verse speaking about his assurance of the gospel being able to bring salvation to anyone who is willing clearly speaks to a great and well embraced understanding of his identity in Christ both in the time of his writing and at the time of Jesus’ 2nd coming. Now there’s a run on sentence if I ever saw one. That verse speaks so much to me about how Paul is so devoted to God’s calling that there is nothing about it that he is ‘ashamed’ about! The 2nd verse that I enjoy from the 1st chapter of Romans is verse 20. Within this verse Paul explains how there won’t be a single person who has lived on the earth who will be able to say that they didn’t have a fair chance at Salvation. This of course explains how there will be people in heaven whom Mrs. White says that haven’t heard the name of Jesus. It speaks to the graciousness of loving kindness of our God. And that’s even after nature itself has suffered from the consequences of Adam’s fall. So if nature can speak of God even after suffering the effects of sin, what must it have looked like before? My reflection has dwelt mainly with the reading of Romans. Was it because maybe I was tired when reading Whidden’s book and the BRI paper, or my thoughts wanted to wonder? I read the first couple chapters in the book, and the 1st BRI paper. Whidden seemed to want to establish his prerogative to answer the many questions that have surfaced over the years concerning Mrs. White’s view of Salvation. But I did enjoy the ‘reality check’ he brought, simply meaning that Mrs. White was a human who went through a ‘conversion’ experience which in turn grew throughout her life, am I’m looking forward to reading on to see the development of that experience. Concerning the BRI article, I seem to remember that a couple points were hammered over and over. That being, even though we weren’t ‘present’ in Adam when he sinned, we now inherit his sinful character and propensity. And also, even though we weren’t ‘present’ in ‘Adam’ when he accepted the gift of a 2nd chance we have the same opportunity! Enough said for now!!
The article “Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of E. G. White” “Ellen White on Salvation, chap 1& 2 Class discussion. Romans 1 Class discussion.
The class lecture and discussion this week brought out the importance of defining the meaning of theological terms and not being complicit in the use of theological clichés as shibboleths to determine who’s in and who’s out. Even biblical statements such as “salvation by faith” can be used in a ‘salvation by phrase’ manner where the act of repeating the words is equated with the experience of salvation. I look forward to exploring the breadth and meaning of these phrases in future classes
In Romans 2 Paul levels the salvation playing field between the people of God and everyone else by showing that we are both stand in need of salvation from condemnation according to what has been revealed to us. Circumcision was the mark of belonging to God’s people, and Paul says that when God’s people break His law their circumcision, contrary to outward appearances, becomes uncircumcision (v. 25). And conversely, when the person who has no contact with God’s people keeps the Law that is in his heart (v. 15) contrary to outward appearances, she becomes a part of God’s people (v. 26).
I found it the Chapter 3 in EGW on Salvation particularly interesting in regard to the 1883 General Conference, which Whidden calls “Minneapolis before Minneapolis” (27). I was not aware of this development in her views before 1888.
The BRI document “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal ‘Legal’ Justification” is a good treatment of that particular claim of the 1888 Message Study Committee but was not of particular interest to me as I have never found their claims compelling. Nevertheless, it had some good exegesis and analysis of biblical theology regarding some passages that could be potentially confusing and would be a helpful resource for someone facing questions about 1888 MSC claims.
Reading Romans and other material, I become more and more confused. I think God gave us a very simple truth but because of our disability we make it harder and harder. This time all three material talk about justification, keeping law, and legalism. First, in Romans 2 28-29, it says “A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.” I think this is the answer for whole arguments on the law and legalism. If we just keep the law and get circumcised physically not spiritually, that cannot make us children of God. And another thing that I want to highlight here is this verse, “God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.(v.24)” Jews thought circumcision and keeping the law could save themselves and this thought made the Gentiles regard God as nothing. Jews didn’t proclaim who God is to others. I want to say that this is happening in Adventism now. Even though we say we believe God and we get saved only through Christ, other denominations still look at us legalists. I think we should think why. In the article, Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal ‘Legal’ Justification, the author dealt with many verses and compared many concepts but for me, it seemed that there was one theme which was justification by faith. And to grasp the true meanings of the sensitive verses, we should see bigger context all the time. I was so impressed from the interpretation of the verse Romans 5:16. Adam brought one sin but Christ brought sufficient justification for multitude of sins. That is, Christ already paid all the debt and we just should believe it. Thankful to Ellen White, I am sure that I can say this but I could fully understand what legalism and justification by faith are. We keep the law but to keep it does not save us. It looks very simple and clear but many people still try to be perfect keeping the law. I am so happy that God gave us Ellen White and her writings.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 02 THST 540 – 09/09/08
Whidden presents an interesting view on Ellen White's approach to the challenges she was faced with – whether she was faced with unbalanced fundamentalists and had to defend the true Biblical standards, or faced with others in need of her gentle, loving, and affirming nature. In both cases, however, she is fully energized with a peaceful and confident revelation based on the Scripture. She comes to categorically define justification by faith in response, not only to the events of her time, but also to a discussion that is far from reaching a conclusion. Kane sheds light on the nature of justification, and its value for us today. I found that the use of Zec. 3 was a great example proving, in my opinion, that justification by faith is a constant presence in all Scripture. I also believe that that idea is found throughout the Bible and is a fundamental underlying idea found in of most of our Doctrines. I agree with the authors idea that justification by faith should not be a doctrine by itself, hence another reason for the existence of the Bible itself. In the second chapter of Romans, what appeals most to me is the concept of God working in our hearts, and whether we choose to acknowledge Him or not. In my opinion, Paul calls each one of us to introspectively analyse ourselves in order to prepare the reader for the definition of Justification of faith in the coming chapter. I found verse 4 to be the key that opens up a much wider definition of God's work in our heart. Paul points out that God is the source for true repentance and inner transformation. I believe that this proves why humanity has no other viable solution but to put full trust in the unique power of God for salvation.
Adam and the Human Race. The natural tendency to sin is straight from birth as our inheritance from Adam’s fall. Born bad, I have often used the example of a baby to demonstrate this- a baby is consistently selfish, he/she is never concerned about another. But the baby is only concerned with his/her own needs, and wants. When the baby does not get the need or want, there is much angst on the parent or caretaker’s part attempting to pacify the infant. The infant must be taught to consider others, and to deny self. This takes years, and we still need lessons in this from various mediums, Bible, Spirit, friends, family, or life in general. All the while death looms over us like a plague or black cloud. But there is hope, in Christ Jesus. This is concurrent with Romans chapter three. The natural tendency is to drift away, or “turn” away from the path of redemption.
As we live our daily lives on this earth quiet often times we hear people blaming God for their tragedy or their misfortune. Many turn to God when things are not going according to their directions. Romans chapter 1 beginning with verse 18, Paul talks about God’s wrath against mankind. When we picture God, we picture Him as loving, kind, gracious and so on, but beginning with verse 18; “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.” After reading the first chapter of book of Romans I can once again realize that God may brought wrath against mankind, but really, it was people and their behavior that brought wrath against themselves. God doesn’t to see His people suffer, we call God as our father, and no father wants to see their children suffer. But sometimes the father doesn’t have any choice but to punish his child for their behavior. In verse 21; “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.” And verse 32; “although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” They knew about God and they deliberately rejected Him and as a result their foolish hearts were darkened and did evil things. God had to bring wrath against mankind, but our gracious God didn’t stop there, He planned a way for them to turn back so they too can be saved. He gave them the gift of salvation. Because of Adam and Eve’s sin, we had no hope of eternal life, but Jesus our gracious God, stood between God and human being and gave us hope. After reading Romans chapter 1 I can see the sadness of God as He brings wrath on his people. We need to thank God daily for His mercy and grace even when we are in turmoil.
To start with, Paul’s indictment of the Jews behavior is something that all people who call themselves believers ought to take seriously. With the inherent joy that comes from knowing Jesus and experiencing His salvation there also comes a great temptation to downplay others’ faith-walk and compare them to our lofty sense of right standing. I love how Paul turns it all around on the Jews by telling them that, though they have the law, the Gentiles even apart from the law become true law-keepers when they do what the law requires—faith and trust. As someone pointed out in class, Paul is using New Covenant language here—it is written in their hearts. With the BRI article, I found the theology and systematic direction that Kane went in was completely bulletproof. I think it is rather absurd to even begin to think that people can have some type of right standing with God without some type of heart change. It should be obvious to all that, even though all have a propensity to sin now because of Adam’s sin brought that to us, not all are going to be saved through Christ but those who believe. With the Whiddon article, I am so thankful to Jesus first and EG White second (she did have to accept the path that Christ put her on) for the refreshing treatment on justification by faith that she so soundly wrote and believed in. Her writings truly are a blessing to this movement.
Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal "Legal" Justification
Larry J. Kane
The author did a thorough examination of the concept of Legal Justification, addressing the question, was every human being legally justified when Jesus died on Calvary. Does this mean that people are exempt from keeping God’s commandments because Christ died for all? In class we also attempted to understand the relationship between two seemingly contradicting texts, Rom 2:13 and Rom 3: 28, where one says the “doers of the law shall be justified” and the other states that “ a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” Careful study of these texts in light of the whole concept of Justification or Salvation will reveal that these texts are not contradictory but complimentary. The author showed that Objective and Subjective justification are both active in the process of salvation. There is a righteousness which comes without the deeds of the law. That’s when we accept the righteousness of Christ by faith, as is revealed in Rom 3: 22, but one thing to remember is that righteousness or justification by faith “will never excuse transgression”, such is Ellen Whites language when commenting on this subject. She said “salvation by obedience to the law is impossible, but salvation without obedience is also just as impossible.” ST, July 18 1878. We see these concepts complimenting each other to redeem a person from past sins, and motivate the same to new life in Jesus. We are saved by the merits of Christ alone but those same merits will motivate us to live our lives in accordance to His law. Faith is the key here, faith which works by love, Gal 5:6. Rom 3: 22 adds the clause that the righteousness by faith is “upon all that believe.” The author clearly showed that God lovingly initiated the salvation of man, and so all that’s left if for man to respond that life will be transformed. Praise God for his love and mercy.
Just wanted to comment on Wendy's paper. I appreciate you highlighting the need to depend on Christ to overcome our defects of character, emanating from a weak nature we inherited from Adam. I have realized that in my own life that its difficult to make some of the simplest decisions, to do good. It sure takes an effort on my part, and I praise the Lord for his mercy. Thank you for highlighting that dependency on Christ. May I also comment on what you said about not believing that we need to know the gospel to be saved. Just a little thought process here, i think we need to believe the gospel to be saved. Now the question is, can we believe in something we don't know? I think you would agree that its is difficult. John 17:3 talks about know God and Jesus Christ as eternal life. Knowing the gospel will lead us to a relationship with Christ. I don't think the amount of knowledge matters, but knowing him, from the gospel, how ever much, is important. What do you think?
After we saw that the Gentiles are in sin, Paul in chapter 2 explain that the Jews are also condemned because of their sins and unbelief in the Gospel. The religion at this point it has been devolved into a system of salvation by works. They believed that in what the eye can see and in keeping the law of Moses they could gain salvation. The Jews had much pride in the fact that they kept the letter of this law according to their traditions. They did not understand that the Law did not save them from sin and that justification only came by faith in God, demonstrated by obedience, not by law keeping. In the article “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal ‘Legal’ Justification” a number of Bible passages are cited as reference for the doctrine of universal justification and God's initiative for the salvation of men. This article show that God has done and is doing everything possible to lead us to salvation without taking our freedom. We must not question or fear no more God’s intentions because he wants reconciliation for us. Chapter 3 from Ellen White on salvation show the balanced view which she had regarding justification and perfection, giving also a correct understanding of justification and perfection. In her view this two must be distinguished but not separated. As we discussed in class we can not reduce salvation only to justification or only to sanctification or glorification. Salvation is all three, and all three are distinct but not separated. In all God is the beginning and the end, He is our savior and in Him we must put our faith.
I wholeheartedly agree that it is very important for us to define theological terms and not settle for theological cliches to communicate a our thoughts or ideas on salvation.
In addition, regarding your reflection on Romans 2, it reminds me of our church, and how many of us think that because we attend church on Sabbath and Wednesday night prayer meeting (outward appearances) we are "saved." However, all too often we forget what Paul talks about in Romans 2.
Furthermore, I never heard of the 1888 Message Study Committee claims prior to this class, but considering I've never thought this hard about the doctrine of salvation makes the issue that much more interesting to me.
As I was reading Kane’s article on Universal salvation, I jotted down questions that came to mind about the word “faith” and how “faith” was being used and defined by Paul in Romans 2 and Kane, and I was pleased that there was harmony between Kane’s explanation of faith and Paul. While reading Romans 2, I felt that Paul was telling the legalists (both then and now) that salvation is a matter of the heart, and only God can judge a man’s heart. I was not aware of the doctrine of “Universal Legal Justification” until I read this article. And after reading about the claims of the proponents of “Universal Legal Justification,” I am reminded of the need to study and analyze the scriptures for myself so that I have an understanding of what God requires of me. In addition, I have the responsibility of making sure that when I speak about salvation to others who don’t know God and/or those who do not have a grasp of the Word, that I lead them to truth, the Word of God, and let the Holy Spirit transform their heart and provide the light and intelligence to understand the scriptures. In class, we started our discussion by reviewing Romans 2:13 and deduced from that verse that inward obedience will result in outward obedience. In Ellen White on Salvation, I found this statement “Christ’s power to inspire and produce obedience” that surmised the same theme described above. In my opinion, that’s what happens when we believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and shed His blood for the remission of our sins. Accepting Christ’s story, His lifestyle, His character, and His mission as truth will produce obedience. I enjoy reading Whidden’s book, because it sheds light on Ellen White’s challenges to develop an accurate and true meaning of salvation and justification. In addition, the stories Whidden chose to share gives us some insight as to what members of the church and those outside the church are struggling with as it relates to sin and salvation.
I have been intrigued in the topic of Faith and Works as they connect with the topic of salvation. I love what Galations 5:6 says “…The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.” When God says that the law is written in our hearts, I believe this is what He was talking about. Love really is the basis for all. Through true love for Christ we find our faith and through that faithful love we are set free from the law. Our lives will naturally follow Christ’s teachings if our heart is set on Christ. “Faith works through love and waits in hope.” We often speak of faith and works and debate the salvation by works or faith issue. Through this quote I believe all is answered. Love is the central theme here. Without love there is no faith, which produces work and without love we have no hope. When we understand the love of Christ our faith is restored and we find hope in our lives. This hope is found in Romans 3:22-24. We have all sinned, but Christ died for us all. This is His grace for us, and is our hope in Him, which is salvation. Will we accept His grace? This is the power of free will that He has given us. Its up to us to take a stand for Christ through our love and devotion for Him. It is comforting like Tiago was saying about what Whidden wrote on EGW on salvation, that “EGW struggled with the same things that people of her time did – suffering, loss, struggles with her relationship and the assurance of God. She struggled with the understanding the primary bases of sanctification and perfection. She was constantly and consistently growing – just as we are today.” EGW was human and thus was not perfect as it says in Romans 3“no one is righteous, not even one.” If we were perfect and righteous, would we have needed Jesus? His death would have been pointless, for he died for our imperfections and our unrighteousness. This was his grace which is still at work in our lives and will be manifested in the second coming of Christ in which we will be renewed in Christ.
It appears that universal justification is being misused by many to cover their sins but from the document “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal "Legal" Justification” I can deduce that it is wrong. Neither any group of people has the express way this justification. We cannot be able to keep the law in order to be justified but we should remember the sacrificial death of the sinless Christ, as guilty man's substitute, which fully satisfies the penalty of the law. That is why Paul emphatically states that the Jews possess no moral superiority over the Gentiles for they all are under sin, so they not boast. Because all men, of all races and creeds, have sinned under God's law and it is God who can deliver us in order to be justified. Through him we have access to justification..Any assertion that the justification described in Romans 3:24 is a universal "legal" justification, imputed without condition of faith, is wrong impression which we should be careful at all cost. I also appreciate the spirited campaign Paul is putting to the Jews in Romans 2. Their traditions cannot justify them to pass judgment to Gentiles. God himself has a right to pass a righteous judgment. Then sins of Adam were transmitted to all and it is only Christ who can offer a perfect sacrifice to cleanse us all and consequently justify us. Likewise history repeats itself in the sense that Whidden II shades more light on how people were emphasizing holiness of life on others yet they were also sinners. But in interestingly it was fanaticism which even Ellen White refuted. That is why she declared that salvation by obedience to the law is impossible but we are justified only by faith in the merits of Christ but we should not continue to transgress the law. Jesus loves us all without boundaries so we should extent the gesture to others since all of us have sinned and it is Christ who will assist to gain justification.
Reflecting on Romans 2, the Apostle Paul is helping us to know how fair God is in His judgment of man’s ignorance and inconsistency. One major point that stands out in my reading of this chapter is that the Apostle condemned the boastful of the Jews in their knowledge of the law and treated it as a mean of Salvation. However it’s good to know that the Apostle is not condemning the law or the obedience to the law but the attitudes of the people towards the law which occupied the position of the Savior in their heart. Interestingly, Ellen G White the decade before 1888 in her ministry encountered the same issues in which she condemned not only those who “assent to holiness life” through self righteousness but also those who were in the other extreme denouncing the law of God. I think Ellen G White was biblical in her stand, as evident in the Paul’s epistles he never denounce the law of God neither he entertained the idea of self righteous or keeping the law as a mean of salvation. BRI document by Angel Manuel Rodriguez [JUSTIFICATION AND THE CROSS] is interesting in his explanation of how the result of Adam sin not because [Rom 5] brings death [physical or spiritual] to man. Therefore man is in need of a Savior because nothing whatsoever a can do to save himself for we are sinful by nature. Rodriguez’s distinction of the “Gift” and the “Trespass” in Roman 5: 15 is awesome in a way, that it present the gift of Salvation through the death Christ is much more than the trespass by Adam which caused death. But interestingly, this grace is not enforced upon the man, unlike the result of Adam’s sin; but it’s a personal decision. God still respect our freedom to choose our ways. Rodriguez other document [COMMENT ON “IN ADAM / IN CHRIST” MOTIF] is an eye opener to the distinction of these small words which makes a lot of theological differences. After reading Rodriguez’s two materials really helps me to understand some of the concepts in the book of Romans. In conclusion, our class discussions really relates to all these readings not only Scripture but Ellen White, the Mystery of Salvation is so complex; people even myself is confused with the difficulty in some of the areas of the mystery of Salvation. It is right when we concluded our last week’s class that we need to look at Salvation from every perspective and keep an open mind about concepts but must be what the Bible says instead of what other sources have said about Salvation.
It seems like in Romans chapter 2 Paul addresses people as Hippocrates. He condemns them for judging others while they themselves are no better. Chapter 2:2; Paul says; “now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth, so when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?” Then Paul goes on to saying that in verse 6; “God will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life, but for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.” Paul stresses very much on their behaviors. Live righteously, and not condemn others. It feels like he is talking about the importance of justification by works, but in the article it mentions the verse in Romans 3:20; “by deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” I may be far off but I think Paul is stressing the importance of both. Good deed is as important as strong faith.
From reading Woodrow Whidden, it is clear that as spiritual babes and even as adults that there can and almost assuredly be a point in your life where the assurance of salvation will come into question in a believers mind. This is evident in the reading of chapter two of “Ellen White on Salvation”. That event the most translated female American author, Prophetess, and great leader of the Adventist church at a point in her life questioned whether or not her “second blessing” or salvation was assured. This is a major topic that has confounded Christians for centuries and the key is as simple, if it is truly that simple, as the entire surrender to God.This ties in perfectly with Romans 2 because it talks about the righteous judgment of God the exact thing that young Ellen White was afraid of in the first place that eventually lead her to the assurance of salvation in the sanctification process. Romans 2:4 tells us that, “Do you not realize that God’s kindness is meant to lead us to repentance?” I can only imagine what this text would have meant for her if she would have read it when she was going through her ordeal.
Michael Olaye Reflection Paper 2 I have tried to tie together Romans 2, chapter 2 of Ellen White and Salvation, and Kane’s article “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal “Legal” Justification.” I will summarize and synchronize each the best way I know how. In Romans 2, Paul tells his audience that they should not judge anyone because they themselves are sinners. He states that God is the judge of us all. He also begins to set up Romans 3, which states that all (Jews and Gentiles) have sinned and come short of God’s glory but by His grace, we all are saved. He goes about this by pointing out that Jews and Gentiles are equal before God. In the chapter from our book, Whidden makes some really interesting observations about Ellen White’s struggle with sanctification, which is found in Early Writings. He states that she came from an era where the sanctification process was taught to be instant. He draws the conclusion that this experience was wrong and Ellen White admitted so herself. Kane’s article deals with the discussion held by our church in 1888 regarding the subject of legal justification or universal justification by faith. In this committee, they struggled over the idea of whether or not biblical justification is imparted or imputed. It was concluded that it was both. Waggoner and White agree that what Paul recorded in Romans 3 supports Christ’ plan of salvation for each of us.
May be English is my second language sometimes it’s hard for me describe something in English but when I read Kolia Afamasaga’s paper I felt relieved. Thank you for that. I found two well written sentences. First one is “attitudes of the people towards the law which occupied the position of the Savior in their heart.” This is very true. Their attitudes towards the law replaced the position. Secondly, “keep an open mind about concepts but must be what the Bible says instead of what other sources have said about Salvation.” We always look for who said what. But we should go back to the Bible.
Reflection Paper #2 (Week Ending September 06, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
From the BRI, the debate regarding justification and righteousness by faith continues. After reading the article, I realize that the author (Kayne) sought to point out some drawbacks regarding the way Waggoner presented his hermeneutical understanding and presentation of justification by faith. For me, reading the article required a great deal of concentration and I really wouldn’t recommend that article to persons that do not have a full understanding of Justification in particular and Salvation in General. Whidden in chapter three of his book seem to continue where he left off the previous week regarding E.G. White and sanctification. From the chapter, I sense that Ellen White’s understanding and emphasis of justification sharpened and consequently, she had a lot of counsel to give on the subject. In particular, after being hurled by constant attack regarding man’s incapability of keeping the law and that one ought to only believe, she emphasized the saving grace of Christ’s which when believers accept it; it should prompt them to obeying it’s requirements. I like the psychological battle between Paul and his opposers, (the Judaisers) in Romans chapter 2. Like E.G. White, he presents Christ’s work of salvation in a balanced way so that it does not matter one’s status, God is no respecter of persons. He meets them on their own ground (circumcision) and confounds them with his rhetoric reasoning.
Reflection # 2 I found several points of interest and contemplation throughout this reading. When reading through the BRI article, I must admit, that I had not really heard of the ‘Universal Judgment’ theory. Of course I was very familiar with the supporting verses from Romans 6 which speak about how sin came to the world through man, likewise Righteousness by one man (Christ). However, I had never given much pondering to the thought process of “Universal Legal Justification”, which is the result of a thought process where you deduce that “Universal Legal Justification” is the natural conclusion to the verses speaking about one man’s actions, both before and after sin. Although now as I think about it, I remember many years ago a preacher speaking to this nature. He was saying how it’s very hard to be lost, for in fact we are already saved. He continued by saying that in order to be lost you have to make a conscious choice against Christ, that our names are written in the ‘Book of Life’ when we are born. And that it’s our choice to have them taken out if we choose against Christ. Interesting thoughts, I’m appreciating having the opportunity to do this reading. There is one part of Romans 2 that I really like. It is from verse 4 where it says “…not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?” I have seen this in my ministry and in my own life. For brain intellect and knowledge, although beneficial, isn’t always that effective in leading someone to Christ. What really speaks to a person is the ‘kindness of God’. In following on the same theme as the last paragraph I would like to add a quote from the BRI article. It quotes Mrs. White as saying, “man cannot reasonably doubt God's initiative and ever active purpose in accomplishing the salvation of His people. God has not lacked for initiative-far from it. The truth revealed in Scripture is that God has done as much as divinely possible to lead His creatures to salvation without overruling their freedom of choice.” And that is the great news that we get to share with others!
Romans Ch. 2 Whidden Ch. 3 BRI Article: Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal "Legal" Justification
Topic: How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible?
So often we as Christian we do give up when it come to the issue of how can we attain the perfection in the sight of God? This is and will be an issue of eternity, as long as man lives. As Paul eludes it in Romans 7, that as much as we try to think to do good, we find doing wrong, humanity reaches a point of giving up. But the history of salvation has such encouraging themes that need to enable on to hang on. Statements like; “God's method of salvation is not eradication of a sinful nature, but the counteraction of divine power through the Holy Spirit,” need to encourage us to firmly trust in the Lord for we are sure of the salvation at the end. In class we did touch the facet of being right with God and this is only through Jesus.
The Bible in totality has some encouraging message pertaining our salvation. It does tell us how we can be saved and who is to save, when did the process begun and when it shall end and this for sure is a word of hope to all. We should know that surrendering to Christ is not necessarily the eradication of sinful nature to our lives. Heppenstall frame it this way, “It is fatal to believe that if only we become totally surrendered to Christ, that the sinful nature is eradicated. The law of sin and death is still operating within us.” In this context we should be aware that as much as we live in this world sin is with us, but if we surrender to Christ then we should worry for the future because it is well taken care of.
The coming of Christ into the world in order to save mankind is an indication that man has no authority over sin. This implies that humanity needed a higher power to eradicate the problem and that is Christ. Heppenstall clarify the issue in this manner, “Salvation in Christ alone means that the bias to sin in human nature is too strong and overwhelming to be dealt with apart from moment by moment trusting in Christ and in His power to save.”
Hence the theme of Christian Perfectionism is to be dealt in a manner that we are to depend on God to perfect us. Only through the continual, day by day operation of the Holy Spirit is our sinful nature counteracted. Let us not denial our state for if we do so the remedy may be far from us. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10)
Yes we are sinners saved by the precious blood of Christ and in that realm we shall be perfected when this mortality shall be changed to immortality. Never more shall we be at the crossroads. Believe in the concept of saving God and live assured that at the right time we shall be perfect.
Doctrine of Salvation Reflection 3 The class discussion this week included a long discussion of God’s foreknowledge and predestination compared to our freedom. I think that the thing that stood out from me in the whole discussion is that the big problem that we face, the question that we have trouble answering is a philosophical question of how God can know and yet we are still free, but God never promised to answer all of our philosophical questions. We need to look for the Bible’s view of salvation and take the rest of faith. It seemed to me that Paul’s main point in Romans 3 is that we all are sinners and that we all need Jesus to save us. All of his past argument so far has been leading up to this conclusion, that none of us are good enough on our own. Even those who know the law can’t keep it to their salvation. That is not the law’s purpose. But we are saved through Christ. I really appreciated this chapter in Whiddon’s book. The description of Ellen White’s personal testimony about her need for the Savior and how she wished she had followed him more closely resounded with me. I know what she meant. To only live in a manner totally worthy of God, that is the goal. But we all fall short of that as Paul pointed out and so we must look to the wonderful loving savior who cares for us. The article from the biblical research center seemed to be discussing the same basic thing as last week and that is that the Bible and in this case, Ellen White did not teach that Jesus work of salvation for us did not lead to a justification of all people in the world without the need for individual response. It is important to remember that we have a part to play in accepting what Christ did on the cross and allowing Him to appropriate that to our lives. This article was somewhat redundant to what we read last week, but still had a good point.
Rodriguez wrote a brief article about Christ’s objective and subjective act of salvation but actually this is the core of redemption. Christ saved the world. This phrase is true and untrue at the same time. Christ won against Satan and gave everyone the chance to get redeemed. But to get saved is up to individuals either accepting the gift or not. Ellen White was a prophet and including me so many people think she was different from us. She was closer to perfection and had different level of religious life. But when we read her personal struggling, we feel that she needed Jesus like us. She said, “We are not perfect...We need His Spirit and His grace every hour.” Paradoxically speaking, no one can be perfect without Jesus and even prophets are nothing different from us if they lose the connection with God. So to talk about perfectionism is for me a desk theory. Lastly, Romans 3 is talking about keeping the law and getting saved. But in the class we talked about foreknowledge and predestination. And the conclusion was that even though Christ knows possibilities and actualities He doesn’t take action according to our behavior. He waits for a long time. In Romans 3: 24, it says “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Before we talk about predestination and other themes we have to know and understand how much God loves us and He wants to save us. Then we will not misunderstand about foreknowledge and predestination.
Romans 3:23,24 a verse that most of us know; "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." We are all sinners but Christ saved the human race. we use and hear the word "save" many times as we live our lives. In this life the word "save" is only temporal, we can rescue and save someone out of the water from drawning. But that person was saved only temporary, that person will eventually die in the end. When Christ "save" the human race, the word "save" is no longer temporal, it is now eternal, and that is something we have to be thankful for as we live our daily lives. From the article by Angel Manuel Rodriguez, one of the most important key words in the article is "acceptance" We have been given freedom by God from the beginning, and now we have a choice whether to accept God or not. In class we talked about issus such as our freedom, God who is all knowing and about predestination. Even though God knows the future, it is not God making the choices, but we are. He knows what kind of choices we will make. Whether to reach out to Him or not. Just like the drawning person has the freedom to reach out to be rescued we have the freedom to reach out to God, by having faith and living righteously.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 03 THST 540 – 09/16/08
In his article, Angel Manuel Rodriguez Rodriguez was able to accurately define something that has been wrongly understood in the messages expressed by Ellen G. White: the true definition of Christ as the Saviour of the human race. I enjoyed the way in which he separated Redemption into five points. The point I enjoyed the most was the definition of possession gained by Christ in this Earth. Another interesting point was how Rodriguez explains the way in which Christ fulfilled universal justice, since this tends to be a controversial point. Whidden is also enjoyable, most especially the way that he is able to describe the spiritual tensions that affected Ellen White. To me, one of the most interesting details in this book so far is the fact that Whidden is able to make Ellen White fully human and living under the same circumstances we all experiment still on a day to day basis. This is an image that is not always clear behind her Victorian literary style. To me, the fact that I am now able to see her as more human does not make her inspiration any less credible – in fact, totally the opposite. I believe that in the third chapter of Romans, Paul places Jews and Gentiles on the same level by proclaiming God as being above any minor human difference. At the same time, he defines the law and how it articulates with justification by faith. He shows how they work together: faith as the channel through which we receive Gods grace, and the law as the mirror of our own condition and deep need for Christ. Further explanation on this point occurs in the following chapters.
I thought that the BRI article “Christ Saved the World” was informative on showing that Ellen White in no way ever wrote of a universal legal justification. I understand where this viewpoint is coming from, but it’s just not so. This is another way of trying to fit the Bible into one’s paradigm of thinking to give assurance. The problem is that we as a people have forgotten that it is grace through FAITH that we are saved. We live in a culture that wants what it wants NOW—instant gratification. This extends into the many ways we “worship” as well as fanatical views such as this universal legal justification. We have forgotten the way of faith—BELIEVE that Christ died for you and then you don’t need to invent ways to be assured. I very much enjoyed the article in Whidden’s book. James White was a great man who saw exactly where the church was heading. What he said is what we need more of—preach Christ, preach Christ, and preach Christ crucified. Once again, I’m struck by the amazing depth of love for Christ she lived. That is true Christianity—truly desiring Christ to be in every facet of our lives. This went well with reading Romans 3 and that it’s not just the Gentiles, not just the Jews, but all are sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God. The wonderful news is, though, that Christ has not left us there!
S. Michael Olaye Reflection Paper #3 Chapter 3 of Whidden’s book covers Ellen White’s development of justification a decade before the General Conference session in Minneapolis in 1888. The author reveals to us instances where Mrs. White is addressing people who don’t have a complete biblical understanding of justification. I find it interesting because it was under similar circumstances that led Angel Rodriguez to write his article entitled “Comments on 1 Timothy 4:10”. Although different angles are addressed in each, Ellen White on holiness fanaticism and Rodriguez on who receives salvation, they both reveal the importance of knowing the justification and perfectionism and how the right view affects the church. In Romans 3, Paul lets us know that we are justified only through faith in Jesus Christ. To me, I feel this validates the article written by Rodriguez. I also feel that this is what Ellen White was trying to teach in the General Conference sessions and in her articles found in Signs. The lecture last week dealt with the idea of absolute freedom and weather or not God knows every possibility and actuality and how important human decision-making is involved. I feel the most important decision is weather or not we will accept Christ as our Savior and remain justified through faith
In his article Christ Saved the Human Race, Angel Rodriquez delicately handles the topic of Ellen White and her views on how Jesus saved the human race at the cross. I wasn’t aware that this was a major topic of concern, yet this article helped clear up some issues for me. My first reaction to some of Mrs. Whites quotes listed here were difficult from me to swallow. The question that still remains for me however is simple: If Christ has the “deed of possession” and has “the right to claim his property” then what happens to all of those who were before the cross? I’m sure Mrs. White probably shares this in her writings at some point but still there must be inquiry because they are not stated here. In other words, sure Abraham, David, and others will make it into the Kingdom by faith but how does she and we explain that if Christ did not hold the deed at that time? Furthermore, how is it that Elijah, Moses, and Enoch were translated without the deep possessing of the cross? How does she explain this and where? The Chapter, “The Decade Before 1888” was also quite helpful in seeing Mrs. White as a balanced crusader. It’s comforting to know that Mrs. White attempted to be balanced in her understanding of Scripture. Again however, Whidden demonstrates that Ellen White continued to grow in her understanding and her possessions. This teaches us a important lesson about revelation and inspiration. Paul in Romans 3 is really speaking against Jewish elitism in regards to the place of the law. The verse that jumps out at me is v.27 “Then what becomes of boasting? It is excluded. By what law? By that of works? No, but by the law of faith.” The Jews thought that they were the children of God because they had the law. Paul essentially says there is no room for boasting in regards to one’s religious standing. A lesson we would be careful to learn today.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 3 THST 540 – 09/16/08
In the BRI article Angel Manuel Rodriguez gives clarification about human race salvation by Christ. Indeed through His death Christ saved the whole human race, but not in the sense that we must not do anything from now because Christ has done for us everything. The idea is that the human race was “legally saved at the cross”, which means that Christ paid through His death what we supposed to pay. So Christ died for us so we can be saved, but we must accept His death and Him in our life if we want to be saved. Christ did everything possible that we might be saved and now we must choose if we want or not to be saved, believing in Him. Chapter 3 from Romans is talking about justification, and it says that we are justified by faith and the evidence of this faith is seen in our works. The Law is the standard of God's perfect righteousness which man must have in order to be with God forever. This is impossible for man to have. So this gift of salvation comes through Christ by a moment of faith in Him so we can be justified. Even Ellen White testifies that she does not claim “infallibility, or even perfection of Christian character” and the fact that she could followed Christ more closely. Only Christ among all men was perfect and kept the law without spot and and this together with His death gave the possibility to the human race to be reconciled with God.
I think the case in defense of Ellen White’s view on the salvation of the human race was well put by the author. Her view in saying that Christ saved the world when he died as an atoning sacrifice for man’s sins does not mean that the human race is now exempt from obedience to the requirements of God’s law. We are not saved simply because Christ died for us and paid the ransom for sin, but we will be saved because we accept that salvation. Accepting it, in essence, means to conform our lives to the principles of righteousness that are imbedded in the complete model of salvation. Woodrow W. Whidden also highlights Ellen White’s true stance pertaining to Christ’s work on the cross and summarized it thus “the bottom line is that obedience is possible, but it is always associated with a just and loving acceptance.” Ellen White said in MB 116 “But that which God required of Adam in paradise before the fall he requires in the age of the world from those who would follow him, perfect obedience to his law.” “Every man that has this hope on him (of seeing Christ as he is) purifies himself, just as he is pure. 1 John 3:3. So it’s true that Christ saved the world, but mankind has a responsibility to accept that salvation. It’s not a salvation that removes man’s responsibility to his maker and Savior neither is it because of that responsibility. In class we discussed the doctrine of predestination, whether we all have been predestined to be saved, or God has a select few and the rest have been predestined to be lost. This teaching poses questions on free choice. Rom 8:29, 30 says “For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.” God’s foreknowledge works within the true model of salvation, not man’s limited model. So first of all, we must understand that Christ died that the whole world be saved. He made provision for us all, if we choose to. That’s one element that is ignored in this debate. Sure God knows all things, his omniscience sees all possibilities and actualities, but he does not infringe on our choice. God will appeal, He will give us the tools to work with to formulate our decision either for Him or not. Those who will be saved will be saved not because they were predestined to be saved but because they chose to, and those who will be lost, will be lost because they failed to choose salvation, not because thy were predestined to be doomed regardless what they do. Even though God knows who will be saved and who will be lost, He does not interfere with our decision making, he appeals to us but He does not force us to decide either for Him or not. So, the bottom line in all this is this, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16. And in response to this love, he says, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” John 14:15
Praise God for His message of salvation. The readings that I have done over the past few weeks are just now being reflected upon. My apologies for not posting sooner for no good excuse at all other than abject neglect.The readings that I have focused on have been the Roman Epistle, Whidden's book and the article entitled "Adam and the Human Race" from the BRI. Although I'd read the book of Romans many times before, I was now reading it from the perspective of what salvation looks like. And as a pharisee, Paul breaks it down for the church in Rome by systematically organizing the truth based on the transitional gospel from Mosaic tradition to"in Christ" status. The church at Rome had a special place in Paul's heart because of his longing to minister there, yet the controversies and the unique placement as the center of culture, lent itself to shaded theology and controversial teachings: basically Jews vs converted gentiles. Paul expresses the desire for all to feel their shame of sin (3:23) from this basis, all require redemption and all need reconciliation. This is elaborated on in the BRI article from the historical aspect of the fall and the various broken relationships that we now feel the effects of. The usurption of the adversary over Adam is pivotal to understanding man's standing within this cosmic struggle. And a key aspect of that struggle is understanding our connection with sin: "Adam disobeyed, and entailed sin upon his posterity" (MR vol 6 p 3). This unfortunate demise is relieved with the gospel news that "Christ was to take the wrath of God which in justice should have fallen upon man." (The Temptations of Christ in the Wilderness, p. 16.) Substitutionary atonement is at the heart of salvation's promise. Now in the early reading of Whidden's book, he describes how Ellen yearned for that assurance. An assurance promised to her in the methodist religion in the form of the second blessing, yet unfounded on scripture. Have I yearned for that assurance? I believe that we all have and that it is a fine balance between repentance and conversion.
Reflection Paper #3 My readings and reaction to Romans led me to my research topic, specifically, Romans 3:3. I found myself wondering about the fate of unbelievers who have Christ-like characteristics and fruits of the Spirit, but don’t know and/or don’t have faith in Jesus Christ. As I continued to read, I thought of individuals in history that had “knowledge of sin” by the law, but because of the delivery of the message, the time period of that person’s life, and their “soil” they reject the message of salvation through Jesus Christ. Next, I did not find the article by Rodriguez on salvation very insightful. I felt like he simplified a lot of issues pertaining to salvation and left me with many unanswered questions. For example, in his article he highlighted a few statements by Ellen White and made a conclusion that Christ’s death on the cross made it possible for humans to be united with God. When does the unification with God happen? Did it happen already? Is it a present state through our prayers and worship? Will this unification take place in the future during Christ’s second coming? What is the nature of this unification? In addition, Ellen White’s writings are normally clear and concise. Rodriguez took the liberty of interpreting several statements made by Ms. White without putting it in the proper context. I enjoyed reading more about Ellen White and how authentic she was about expressing the short comings in her character. This weekend I went to Battle Creek’s Heritage Village and learned more about Ellen White and her family. I have a greater appreciation for her work. Finally, I enjoy the depth of our dialogue in class. Although I felt a little overwhelmed, our dialogue forced me to take the time to understand God and understand the significance and the impact of my choices as it relates to my salvation.
In the lecture Dr. Hanna is addressed concepts we pay little attention to within Adventism, except when we want to dispute with our predestinarian friends. I believe the major difference between us can be understood as us basing our understanding of God’s predestination in terms of His foreknowledge and his calling in terms of his predestination, whereas they identify God’s predestination with his foreknowledge and His calling with his predestination. I suspect that interpreting the text as Dr. Hanna suggests could open the door to a more constructive theology of predestination, and I am looking forward to his explication of this in future lectures.
In Romans 3 Paul addresses the problem of how God can justify His people and condemn sinners when His people have failed to keep the law (v. 3) and the actions of sinners validate the righteousness of the law (vv. 5-7). The answer is that God has provided a way through faith in Jesus for both his people and for sinners to be made justified, so they do not need to rely on the law for merit (v. 27). This equal opportunity offer of salvation through the death of Christ in our place (v. 25) gives God the justification for justifying His people while condemning those who do not accept his grace through faith (v. 26). In this way, the Law and judgment are able to stand without accusation of unfairness (v. 31).
The BRI document by Rodriguez explained a phrase that Ellen White used rarely which could lead to wrong conclusions and in doing so demonstrated a sound method of ‘exegeting’ her writings. The chapter in Whidden’s book detailing Ellen White's personal experience with character perfection was illuminating and will, I presume, be used as a basis for interpreting her writings on the subject.
Reading Betty’s paper, I totally agreed with what she mentioned about Ellen White’s authentic expression. Many Christians including me pretend to be holy and don’t want to expose their real spiritual status. But our last prophet expressed herself without filtering. And I felt that she didn’t feel ashamed about disclosing herself. She just focuses on how she can be holier. I will go to Battle Creek this weekend so I will look around her house and look how she lived. Secondly, Betty threw many questions on the article by Rodriguez and I liked to reflect on those questions.
Every time I read Romans 3, I could not thank God enough for the way that He had provided to make us justify because we are in a useless situation to provide a cure for the problem. On the other hand, I get frustrated because this is one of the chapters that people used to down play the important of God’s law. But the Apostle is emphasizing that we are being justified by faith because of the cherished concept of salvation by the Jews. However, this chapter the Apostle Paul provides the truth of God’s divine love for man through His own precious Son Jesus. Its good to recognize that through out and at the end of the chapter, the Apostle defend the holiness of God’s law. Interestingly; the chapter 4 of Whidden’s book; highlighted that Ellen and James White already placed great emphasis on justification by faith before the 1888 saga. Its is appealing to know that our pioneers were on the right track on justification by faith, although there were extreme teachings that were existed but Mr. and Mrs. White were in line with biblical teachings of justification. The testimony by Ellen White of her state as a human being is moving in some ways. She admitted her imperfection despite she was called by God and the Apostle Paul also felt the same way and I believe this is what we all need to admit; our imperfection as human being and we are indeed in need of God’s grace and mercy. Angel M Rodriguez’s article “Justification on Roman 3: 21- 24 emphasized and agreed together with Ellen White on justification by faith. It is the only way that man can bridge his estrangement from God is through faith in the sacrificed of Jesus Christ for the world. Since we are all sinners, we all need God’s saving grace through Christ as Rodriguez pointed out how Paul use the word “All” to referred both Jews and Gentiles alike. In conclusion, reading these three readings that supported each other is helpful in my understanding of Justification which really supported what we had discussed in class that we need a bigger and better model of Salvation. The Apostle Paul is writing separately in his epistles concerning Salvation but never in its totality.
Reflection Paper Week 3 (Ending September 13, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
After reading the article written by Angel Rodriguez, I realize that folks use the bible and in this case E.G. White’s writing out of context to make a case for their living as “you please” attitude. I can’t imagine how one could think that Christ’s death covers the salvation of the entire world without them making a response to His atoning sacrifice. Christ’s death is all that is necessary really, but in this context, the faith element in Christ’s atonement must be matched by works (fruits) of righteousness. In Romans 3, Paul reiterates this fact in stating that all are justified through faith in Jesus and that He’ll judge mankind equally without the deeds of the law. However, one should not emphasize faith only or law only, they both go hand in hand. Faith in Jesus prompts an individual to keep the law. Ellen White’s Testimony as recorded by Whidden in chapter 5 of his book, illustrates her position regarding her imperfection and her fallibility. The impression that she gives is that no individual is perfect and that even if individuals are perfect, they will never be aware of it. And so, her testimony rules out any doctrine people might want to purport that she believed in universal legal salvation. It is clear; salvation is available for all by what Christ did at the cross. If all mankind were to be saved without doing anything, Jesus wouldn’t need to come to demonstrate that one can live above temptation and sin. He would just speak the word and salvation would be accomplished. To advocate universal salvation is to purport passivity. On the contrary, Jesus was active from the moment He left heaven and went back. And he expects mankind to do the same. No wonder why He states in Matthew 5:48 that we should “be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect.” I conclude by concurring with the songwriter, “Must Jesus bear the cross alone and all the world go free? No!!! There’s a cross for you to bear and a cross for me...”
TOPIC “Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs”
The thesis of Rodriguez in the ‘In Adam Motif’ is a good path that as readers of God’s word, we need to really grasp the truth of the word as it was in the original meaning. Reasons why we have a lot of theologies that can not be classified is because of ‘scholars’ wanting to give the scripture, their own understanding by using their own background and presuppositions. The question that carries the whole matter is this; “In what sense was everybody in Adam?”
I find it interesting the way Rodriguez is trying to take into task the understanding that has been laid down from century back. The In Adam Motif, should be the basis of really grasping the In Christ Motif. Whichever line we understand the In Adam Motif is the very way we shall view the Christ salvation means. Either ‘seed’ or ‘imputation’ be assured to view the salvation of Christ in whichever theory you have embraced. This call our attention to have the scriptural truth and be able to come up with a right way and this is what Rodriguez is trying to put across.
Three striking facts are biblically sound per se, thus, ‘the phrase "in Christ" is not biblical,’ ‘not everybody was at the same time in Christ at the cross,’ and ‘if we were in Christ when he died for our sins, paying the penalty for our sins, then we died in him and hence I died for my sin. So many a times we do superficially analyze a very vital point without a concrete support and hence mislead the public and this makes the public later not to trust the ‘theologians’. we need to guard this section of writing anything and let us practice theological modesty - ‘If know well and good write and if you don’t know, it is ok back off or do further research other than lying to the whole world.
So to speak, Rodriguez, has clearly tried to give us one of those problematic issues in theology that needs a further research before we publish it. As we discussing in class about the ‘Foreknowledge, Predestination and Calling’, we found out clearly that many may think the Bible supports the Predestination, but after a sober, and thorough search that is not the case. Let us exercise theological maturity in our scholarly journaling.
From the reading in chapter 4 of Whidden’s book, there was much that I appreciated. Chapter 4 touched briefly on the topic of ‘perfectionism’, which is sure to get some people greatly enthusiastic in their discussing of this topic. While the chapter was only a few pages in length, the author was able to bring out some good points. One short paragraph reads as such, “Although Ellen White expressed the highest goals of accomplishment in the sanctified life and though she spoke of perfection in glowing terms and envisioned significant accomplishments for the faithful believer, there is no evidence of her indulging in any personal sense of spiritual superiority” I appreciated this thought, as there are many who tend to quote Mrs. White extensively concerning the topic of perfectionism. There is no doubt that she believed in a sanctifying power that would be evident in a believer’s life. But she didn’t let herself develop any ‘sense of spiritual superiority’, even though she was the one especially chosen of God to receive many messages. Whidden concludes his chapter with by mentioning that even though Mrs. White’s understanding of what constitutes an experience of sanctification and perfection would change over the years, there would not be anything that would change “her constant emphasis on God’s great transforming power” And this power is so great to experience in one’s own life!! I was thankful that the BRI article for this section was much short than the last two! It basically spoke to the same theme as the last one, that of ‘universal legal justification’. After having done this reading so far, I can see how this issue can be confusing. So I am appreciating having this opportunity to develop my understanding of this issue. The author of the BRI article had this to say concerning Christ’s sacrificial death, “Notice, first, that by redeeming us, by paying the price for the redemption of the human race, Christ has now the right to rescue us from the enslaving power of Satan. Second, that is necessary because Satan is unwilling to let his captives go free; he does not acknowledge Christ's legal right. He is the jailor and he is still demanding that a price be paid, possibly to him, for their liberation. But he has no right to make that claim because they do not belong to him.” This speaks to Satan’s strong continued resistance in the Great Controversy. The author also quotes this from Mrs. White, “Those who are truly converted will reveal the saving grace of Christ by laboring for these souls blinded by Satan” This is to be our life and calling!
Romans Ch. 3 Whidden Ch. 4 BRI: Christ Saved the Human Race
In the fourth chapter of Romans, the Apostle Paul is driving home the point of righteousness that was imputed by Christ is to be received by faith. It is starting to come clearer that the Apostle is trying to clarify an issue that was in the Roman Christian church of his days. Righteousness by faith is the argument by the Apostle on basis of Abraham’s experience gives clear illustration that man becomes righteous by faith. One can never take the side that righteousness can be ours through our obedience to the law because chapter three highlighted that we are all sinners. This is sinful by nature and nothing that we can do; we were in a hopeless position and not even by obedience to the law that can make us righteous; we need power outside of man to do salvific work for us. This concept is seen through out Scripture; however it does not nullify the law. Our salvation is all but the work of God, our end of the bargain is just receive by faith, believing in the merits of Jesus Christ has power to overcome. Our obedience to the law however, come from our love in return of being justify freely by the grace of God while we were still weak and unable to save ourselves, God saved us from eternal punishment of sin. Whidden in chapter five of “Ellen White on Salvation” revealed Mrs. White’s theology of salvation in the context of law and grace. She perceives the Law as “revelation of God’s character of love” and therefore sees God as a God of love and at the same time is a God of just. It is interesting to know that while Mrs. White uplift the Law, does not overtakes the amazing grace of God through Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. Although this language is indirectly seen in the book of Romans, but I can be able to say that Mrs. White view of Salvation is also dealt with by the Apostle Paul. It might seem as if the Apostle is down playing the Law but it was never his intention. He was correcting the Jews’ perception of God’s law as a means of salvation that had him to speak that “man is justify by faith but not by the law.” This confusion is still is seen in Christians today and it is interesting how Mrs. White puts it; she sees it as the charge of Satan on God by saying, “God’s mercy destroyed justice, with the result that Christ’s death abrogate the Father’s law.” She is well in line with the Apostle in the true understanding of Salvation while God’s grace made us justify by faith it does not nullify the important of God’s law. Rodriguez’s article on “CHRIST SAVED THE HUMAN RACE” as spelled out by Mrs. White in her writing is fascinating because Mrs. White does not support the idea of universal justification. Rodriguez explained it in an easier language of what Elle White meant when she said “Christ saved the human race,” she was referring to the work done by God for the sake of man. The devil is no longer in possession of this world because God through Jesus Christ won the world that was ones His in the beginning. Since the world belongs to God again man is no longer slavery to the enemy but has a freedom to choose whether he wanted to be saved or not. This is interesting because God still respect the Freedom of Choice that He gave man in the beginning. He had all the right to forcefully applied His power to make sure man will be on His side rather than be destroyed forever with the enemy. However, it is the love and that power that enable His to choose what not to do as we had discussed in class. This concept really tied in well with our class discussion last week, that it is God’s character that comes from His free choice; while He can force man on His side but He choose not to do it because of His character as a God of love that caused Him to leave things up to man’s freedom to choose. Our discussion I find it really profound, it really revoke the Calvanist idea of God’s predestination act of giving grace others and neglecting others. This however, minimizes God’s action of choosing and forcing God to do what He does not wanted to do.
Reflection 4 This week in class our discussion led to a conversation of God’s power and his character. Does God not do things/do things because he is not able to or because he chooses not to (character). I thought that Dr. Hanna did a good job of articulating what I had always believed. I remember as a child in Adventist Elementary School that very thought coming up, that God was incapable of doing certain things and I had always believed that God was powerful enough to do anything. God is powerful enough to lie, but it is against his character and is evil, so he does not do it. Romans chapter 4 included Paul’s discussion of Abraham being saved by faith. Paul says that Abraham believed and it was accounted to him as righteousness. I have always liked Paul’s argument that something being accounted to us, or credited to us, means that it could not have been earned, because wages are due us, not credited to us. God does not pay us for good works with salvation, instead he freely gives us the gift of salvation because we are willing to take it. That is what happened to Abraham and that is what happens to us. The new section in Whiddon’s book about other important doctrines that relate to Ellen White’s view of salvation looks to be interesting in setting up our understanding of her actual view. However, this chapter by itself is only a building block and left me with more questions than answers. This is especially true in relation to perfectionism that he mentioned as a part of the book “The Great Controversy.” I will be interested to see him go deeper into what those mean and compare them with her other statements, especially some of the ones we just read in the last chapter. Finally, I read the article about 1 Timothy 4:10. I thought this was a very good explanation of a hard text. He gave several options and reasons that those didn’t work in relation to the whole of scripture as well as a good word study. I do wish, and I find this is true of a lot of theological and exegetical things that I read, that he would have explained in more depth why he dismissed certain approaches. I think it would be more helpful if he gave specific textual references instead of just a summary of the text or texts that disproved a theory.
Doctrine of Salvation: One page reflection. Week Four
The debate over the meaning of 1 Tim 4:10: Article by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez
The thought that was impressed upon my mind from my reading is that of the importance of understanding what the original texts says when it comes to certain passages of scripture. One word, “specially”, in 1 Tim 4:10 has caused a lot of debate about how God is Savior of the world. I think ignoring everything else the bible teaches about the salvation of mankind leads us to these kinds of debates, but embracing all of scripture and exploring a bigger model of salvation gets us out of these thought swamps. Paul teaches that God’s desire is to save mankind, but He will not force His salvation upon anyone. Each person has to make a conscious decision whether to accept that salvation or not, which is based on the merits of Christ alone. I think it’s safe to say we have two extreme planes in our understanding of salvation of the world, which are fighting for supremacy. It’s either the “do nothing, God has saved you whether you like it or not” plane, or the “be good and earn your way into heaven plane.” Inspiration and scripture has put it absolutely clear that we can do nothing to earn God’s favor, because our righteousness is but filthy rags to God, and also that He loves everyone and desires to save all He can, but he won’t force into heaven people who don’t want to be there. Of course that would be something they would have shown Him by not believing and accepting His salvation, based on the merits of Christ. May the God of heaven help us to see the truth in its soundness and embrace it, so help us God. In class we talked about the ascending process of salvation by the grace of God, which we are free to accept or reject. There exists a strong bond between grace and freedom; one cannot exist without the other. Grace has to be free to be grace. If we could not resist it, it would cease to be grace and ultimately the giver would cease to be free. God saves us because he chooses to, not because He is powerless to do otherwise. God’s impossibilities are not from a lack of power to do whatever, but its all because of his holy character. He chooses to be a loving and caring God. Thus He won’t force mankind to be saved if we don’t want to. I found the class discussion to be very insightful.
The class discussion again focused on philosophical issues regarding the nature of God’s foreknowledge and predestination in the plan of salvation. Eventually the discussion came around to the topic of morality and three elements that constitute it: freedom, power, and character. With regard to God’s morality, Dr. Hanna suggested that God chooses freely on the basis of His power to do otherwise, yet chooses only that which is good because of His character. I would suggest that the Calvinist position arrives at a God who chooses freely on the basis of character (He is the God who elects.) and, on the basis of His power, His choices cannot be other than good (What God chooses is good, because He is the Sovereign).
In Romans 4 Paul continues with a theme from the previous chapter: that salvation must enabled by faith rather than the law, otherwise the saved would have some cause for boasting (v. 2). He advances this argument by recalling the experience of Abraham, whose faith was accounted to him as righteousness before the “work” of circumcision was required of him (vv. 9-10). As Abraham’s faith enabled the fulfillment of God’s promises to him (vv. 20-21), we who are uncircumcised, that is, gentiles through faith in Jesus resurrection may also receive righteousness (vv. 23-25).
In Chapter 5 I appreciated Whidden’s analysis of Ellen White’s concept of the Great Controversy. The question Satan raises is whether God can be both just and merciful and not at the same time be arbitrary regarding either his law or the salvation of sinners.
The BRI document I read was quite brief and dealt with a “problem passage”, 1 Tim. 4:10, which could be read that Jesus saved the whole world. I especially appreciated the point Rodriguez made on the word translated “especially” in this passage, but would have liked to see a footnote to the source(s) on which he based his conclusion.
Paper 4 One of the things that stood out the most for me in the reading for this week is the statement on page 38 in Ellen White on Salvation which states that “Ellen White conceived of the law as being inextricably bound up with the expression of God’s character of love-a love that was conceived as both just and merciful.” As a result of the law being inextricably intertwined with an expression of God’s character of love, it makes it easier for me to reconcile statements made by Paul in Romans 2:13 and Romans 3:28. This week, I reflected on “the law” and realized that we are missing the essence of “the law.” In Romans 13:9, Paul highlighted the greatest commandment (which Jesus Christ stressed) which is to love thy neighbor as thyself. This commandment is at the heart of the all commandments that deal with our relationship with man or each other. Faith in Christ and a commitment to being more like Christ should and will result in keeping these particular laws. Furthermore, I found Romans Chapter 4 very enlightening. It put things in perspective for me as it relates to how God will judge the works (or the lack of works) of an individual. God wants our obedience. Furthermore, He wants my faith in Him to be strong. The example of Abraham as a righteous and obedient servant of God was an excellent choice made by Paul. I believe God wants us to have Abraham’s level of obedience in every area of our lives. Next, the discussions from our last class on God’s power and His grace related to the reading in Ellen White on Salvation on the issue of Satan’s charges against God. I have always wandered why God has to prove anything to Satan. Why doesn’t God just take Satan out of the picture and destroy him? Finally, I agreed with the arguments made in Rodriguez’s article. I’ve never really given that must thought to the words “in Adam” or “in Christ”, and I didn’t realize that there was so much controversy over the matter.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 04 THST 540 – 09/22/08
This week I enjoyed how Whidden took the main theological points, and summarized them into just a few pages. It was interesting to read Ellen Whites views on these topics. Her writings are written in a way that helps us to better understand salvation and the character of Christ. It was a very good introduction on the next chapters. It was also interesting to see how these specific theological concepts were influenced by church's short term eschatological view. It is amazing how EGW was inspired to transmit these messages in a balanced way, considering the urgency that was permeating the times in which they were written. Ángel Manuel Rodriguez's article on “In Christ/Adam's Motifs” was a pleasant surprise to me. Even though I was familiar with the discussion that was presented and the possible consequences of it, I have to admit that I had not thought about all of the consequences the author discusses. Once again, he presents a solid and coherent interpretation of the texts, as well as what they mean for us today. It was very useful to understand the full extension of the possible misinterpretations of these texts, as well as the easy process that can lead to such misinterpretations based on the original language. In the fourth chapter of Romans, Paul continues to explain the full depth of justification by faith. He shows through Abraham's example how the promise of justification is universal, and does not belong to a specific nation or individual. I was very touched at the way in which Paul talks about Abraham and his faith in God's promise. There is a underlying sense of deep relationship that goes far above the constant discussions of law versus faith. The fact that both faith and law have their place in a relationship with God is made clear in this chapter through God´s relationship with Abraham.
In the class, Dr. Hanna compared grace and judgment. Because we and God are free grace can be gracious. And God has power to forget our sins and give punishment. He is not lack of power but omniscient. But about judgment, I could find clear answer from Ellen White’s writing for that. The book says, “Justice and mercy are but two sides of the same coin of God’s character of love.” Without understand God’s love for us, we cannot understand judgment and His law exactly because the law is the expression of God’s love. So my conclusion of judgment is that the one who judges us is not God but we. I mean that God have given us all the opportunities and probation to get saved but we, beings having free will, chose not to follow God and rejected those opportunities. That’s why we will get judgment at the end. In Romans 4, Paul emphasizes faith one more time using Abraham’s story. The reason why he was saved is not because his righteousness but because his faith and God’s mercy. And the last verse of chapter 4 touches my heart so hard. It says, “He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.” Christ died for me and is living for me. It means He has done everything for me. What else can he do for me besides dying and living for me? I cannot express how deep His love is. I found two insights from the article by Rodriguez. First one is to translate the word “specially.” After reading the first section of his article, that verse sounded not right. How can all and special people exist at the same time? But getting the exact usage of the Greek word I could understand clearly and I felt that I felt that Biblical languages are necessary. Second point is the last sentence of the article. It says, “Christ’s substitutionary atonement is universal in its extent but, because of the freedom God has given to humans, it is limited in its salvific effect.” Here, we meet the same theme we talked about in the class. God gave us freedom and this affects all salvific work.
Reflection #4 Christ mission was to save all the people, the lost people on this earth. By faith and His divine grace we can be saved.
He did not come down to this earth to save those who are already destined to be saved. He came to save all the people but the choices were given to us. “God desires all to be saved and has done everything necessary to save them, but He is the actual Savior of those who believe. Romans 4: 23; “The words it was credited to him were written not for him alone, but also for us to whom God will credit righteousness for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. This is as same as the time of Moses I believe. Moses made a bronze snake and raised it up high and those who (as free will) looked at the snake were saved. The snake was there for all people but those who chose to look were saved. As Ellen White mentions many times on the book Ellen White on salvation, she says that she is not perfect and no one is perfect. “We are not perfect. We need His Spirit and His grace every hour or we shall make blunders and shall do harm.” Even though we are not perfect and we make mistakes all the time, even though we are sinners, we are given a gift of salvation and it is our own free will to whether to accept it or not.
When I read Romans 4, I am amazed at the wonderful way that Paul explains things. He makes so many watertight arguments. In talking about righteousness by faith, he takes the Jews back to their spiritual father Abraham to show that he was counted righteous through faith contrasted by the Jews’ works. He then goes on to point out that it was before he was circumcised—the very symbol that “showed” that Jews were “God’s people”. Paul is very clear that faith and obedience are part of the same package. This is a wonderful chapter to share with our dispensational friends as well. What most of the world doesn’t realize is what Whidden writes on page 36: “Justice and mercy are but two sides of the same coin of God’s character of love.” I don’t understand how so many people can’t get that. It was true of Jesus’ life; His trial; His death and on and on. It is most definitely tied into the Great Controversy theme, no doubt about it. As was brought out in this chapter of Whidden’s book, justice and mercy are the two points that Satan has zeroed in on to deceive the world about God’s character. The BRI article I read was “Comments on 1Tim 4” and I was impressed by the simple, clear response to the question. This idea of universal legal justification (especially espoused by our friends down the road) is, unfortunately, gathering steam (particularly in the South). One of the proponents of this ideology even went so far as to suggest that it would be better to NOT share the gospel with those who don’t know Jesus for then their salvation would be guaranteed. I hope all see just how dangerous this idea is and that we will probably face more of it in the future.
Romans 4 is always a good read. It says it all in verse 16 "Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring - not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham." What more can be said? God's character is revealed here as someone whom wants grace to be given to all. This promise comes when we put our faith into practice as Abraham did. Our God is a God of equality, we are all His children. Sometimes we base God's idea of equality on the situations that surround us and we then wonder why some have it better than others. I believe that this is not God's equality. Gods equality is in the promise of salvation to all. Sin has made the world corrupt and unfair. This is not by the hand of God, but by the hand of man being influenced by Satan. We must remember that God has given us a way out of this unfair life. In verse 16 He tells us how. Praise God.
In whidden's book Ellen White had stated that "I rejoice that I have that faith that takes hold of the promises of God, that works by love and sanctifies the soul" I believe that Dr. Hanna has said in class that God does not hold us to things that He Himself does not live by. Taking this into count, when Jesus tells the Pharisees that the greatest commandments are to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, Jesus lives by this also. This is Gods Character then also. If it were not so, then He would have told us. What we must understand is that we will never achieve a perfect love as Christ has, yet even in our failings, we fall at the feet of the cross and find that perfect love for us which has saved us through our faith in He who came to cover our imperfections. As James stated in his blog entry "He did not come down to this earth to save those who are already destined to be saved" If Christ destined people to be saved, they then don't have the vicarious atoning sacrifice of Christ for our sins, for they would already be saved. What then would be the point of Christ sacrificing Himself for the world? God sent His Son into the world, not to condemn it, but to save it from itself.
In reflection over the last weeks assigned personal reading, the phrase, "there is nothing new under the sun" kept coming forward in my mind. This phrase is relative to the issues discussed in chapters 4, 5 of the Whidden textbook and namely because the same old controversies that the church was reviewing are still debated and argued over today from the deacons to the Seminary professors. Will there ever be agreement, total agreement, this side of Heaven? Probably not. And that is why we have institutions like the BRI to clarify certain concepts. The BRI article that I read focused on the 1 Tim. 4:10 which is controversial because of the universalistic flavor sometimes read into the text. I completely understood the interpretation of "malista" to mean "that is" rather than especially. And that resolved the issue for me. These days, people are still arguing over the whole 1888 issue and Righteousness by faith, in fact I had people in my ministry quickly claim that the Church as a whole needs to repent for not endorsing Jones and Waggoner. What they may not realize is that it is bigger than that and it's not that simple. In reading Romans, it is clear to me that Paul understood Christ to be the ultimate in Righteousness, contrasted against our ultimate in unrighteousness and enemy state with God. Therefore (I'm starting to sound like the lawyer himself) only by faith in Christ's righteousness and endeavoring to pattern our lives after Him can we receive justification. 1888 may tend for people to think of salvation as simply status rather than progressive or ongoing. There is the departure.
In his article, Comments on “In Adam/In Christ” Motifs Angel Manuel Rodriquez carefully discusses the issues regarding the 1888 controversial understanding on the phrases, “In Adam/In Christ”. In essence this article further clarifies an earlier article by Rodriquez, which has been noted this semester already and builds on it. In reading it I was somewhat shocked because I honestly didn’t know there was a controversy over the issue. Rodriquez however makes a good point in concluding that one must be extremely careful in pinning down theological terms. A lesson I’ve been learning all semester in our classes. Essentially then as Doc would say, we need a bigger model or understanding of the terms in question that will allow for a broader and deeper understanding. As for Whidden’s book this week, I must say it was very enjoyable. Again as has been stated numerous times before, Whidden has an excellent of portraying Ellen White as human. However there are two issues I have with the reading. Firstly, in James White’s letter in the Review as recorded on p.29 he states something that troubles me. What does he mean when he says, “We feel that we have a testimony for our people at this time, relative to the exalted character of Christ, and His willingness and power to save”? What does he mean by “our people”? Is it to mean Adventists or former Millerites? Does he mean humanity? Who are “our people” that Christ should be uplifted to? Does this phrasing support a shut door theory of salvation? I’m confused. Second, I don’t think I’m all that comfortable with Ellen White’s constant desire to be perfect. While my understanding of her interpretation of perfectionism is moderate, the reading seems to indicate to me that it preoccupied her mind considerable. There was something in Rom 4 that really resonated with me. Abraham is the Father of both the Gentiles and the Jews, the uncircumcised and the circumcised. Paul trying to fight against Jewish superiority goes back to prove a beautiful theological point about the law of faith. This idea is kind of paralleled to the idea Doc discussed in class today about the Old and New Covenant and that the Eternal Covenant existed before the Old. This was very powerful.
I appreciate that you brought up Abraham. As you said, “God wants our obedience.” Even though Abraham lied twice about his wife, God still calls him as the father of faith. The reason why he was called like that by God I think is he was obedient. God lifted that value high and blessed him continuously. So as you said, God wants us to have Abraham’s level of obedience Another thing that I like from your reflection paper is that law reflects God’s love. If we forget this we will misunderstand God.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 4 THST 540 – 09/24/08
The words in Romans chapter 4 are "believe" and "faith." “Justification” is another word used here and here justification is by faith and not by works. How do we know this? The Old Testament proves it using as examples Abraham and David. How was Abraham justified? The Bible answers this very clearly. Paul quotes from Genesis 15:6, and Scripture clearly teaches that Abraham was justified by faith. "He believed God" and that is how he justified. This verse says absolutely nothing about works. How is a person saved today? The same way Abraham was. All men of all ages have always been saved in only one way: "by grace trough faith." In his article Ángel Manuel Rodríguez says very clear that "Savior of all" also means that Jesus is the only and exclusive instrument of salvation for the human race.” I like very much his affirmation that the salvation “was not restricted to a particular ethnic group but was extended to all.” The atonement made by Christ is universal, but not all people are going to be saved because of the freedom which we have. The chapter from the book was enjoyable especially where is mentioned about infallibility and perfection. Here Ellen white is presented as a human being, showing that we are imperfect no matter what, “we are not perfect. We may err and do and say things that may not be all right.”
Reflection Paper#4 (Week Ending September 20, 2008) (Sheldon Smith) I found Rodriguez comments on 1 Timothy 4:10 very profound in his response to the question regarding Christ’s death for all men (sinners and believers alike). I think he did a great exegesis of the text. He utilized the Greek word and the various meaning so as to get his point across that when Christ died for the world, the salvific element was universal, but it was limited to those who chose to accept it. Rodriguez did well in staying in the text by contextualizing that text in light of what was said earlier on in 1Timothy 2:4. It really made an interesting reading. In Romans 4 Paul continues his deliberation on the law and grace and cited Abraham as the classic example. Even though I accept righteousness by faith and that faith automatically propels an individual to produce good works. It’s kind of difficult to understand how Abraham was justified by faith when he failed so many times. In Romans 4:20, Paul illustrates this. I believe that his biggest wavering was as it relates to going ahead of God by getting Hagar pregnant. It would seem to me from this example that faith in God does not remove the possibility of doubt and wavering or stumbling. What do you all think???
The idea of all mankind is saved is a contentious debate in the theological circle. Did the death of Christ on the Cross save everyone, thus all are assured of salvation regardless their doings and belief? Hence what does the phrase ‘Saved the World’ means? This is the issue Rodriguez is trying to explore in his presentation “Christ saved human race.” the fact behind this statement is as presented by Ellen is of Christ bridging the gap that sin had made, separation of man and God. E. White clearly frames it this way, “With His human arm Christ encircled the race, while with His divine arm He grasped the throne of the Infinite, uniting finite man with the infinite God. By transgression the world had been divorced from heaven.”
In a nutshell this is the real meaning of the statement “Christ saved human race” as presented by Rodriguez, “The alienation of humans from God, which was the result of the fall, came to an end through Christ. He became a living bridge between God and humans because he was both, human and divine. This was Christ's objective act of salvation. He made it possible for human beings to be united with God; he "connected earth with heaven." But only repentant sinners can benefit from that salvation.” As we discussed in the class lecture, the freedom of God is to all to choose what they want and do what they feel like doing and hence even if the salvation is good is not forced on anyone one. If we take the position that ‘at the cross all humankind is saved, then all we are trying to propose is that, mankind had no chance to make a choice.
It is clear now that the death of Christ on the Cross did not entirely mean that, ‘the whole humanity’ is now saved regardless their choice. The biblical exposition about it is; “the phrase "saved the world" does not mean that the whole human race was legally saved at the cross. It means that Christ through his life of obedience and his sacrificial death paid the price for our redemption and bridged the separation caused by the sin of Adam making it possible for repentant sinners to have access to and be accepted by God.” One thing is expected in the fulfillment of the death of Christ on the cross to be of significant importance; ‘the will of choice’
Doctrine of Salvation Reflection 5 This week in my reading I found several good points. All of the readings for the first time had a little something in common. All talked about sin origination in Adam and how that affects us as his descendants. Much of this discussion of course comes from our reading in Romans chapter 5 where Paul talks about death coming through Adam and life coming through Christ. I thought the statement in Whiddon’s book that “Thus it is obvious that theoretical questions about ‘original guilt’ did not concern her.” That is largely what the paper by the Adventist Research Center is about. It was largely a similar argument to what we have already read against the 1888 Message Committee’s stance that we gained our sin by being “in Adam” and our salvation by being “in Christ.” Though the arguments presented in the paper were clear and well done, I wonder if it is a waste to read two papers on this topic. But I think the big picture that was presented on this subject is that because Adam sinned, we too will sin and can’t save ourselves in any way. We must rely on Jesus who has died to take away our sins. And it is his grace that he helps us through every step of the salvation process. There were also some other good things I found in the reading. One thing that jumped out at me in Romans chapter 5 was the fact that being justified brings peace with God. This is a blessing and a result of our salvation that we can have in the here and now. It is a huge blessing to have peace, especially peace with God, which leads to peace in so many other areas. We often look at the future blessings of our salvation and at the assurance now aspect, but I think we sometimes overlook the blessings of the peace that justification brings. The other thing that stood out to me was in Whiddon’s book that he talked about freedom. This is interesting in the light of many of our class discussions. Ellen White was assured of our free will, though he does not specifically mention her ideas about God’s foreknowledge and predestination here. I like her emphasis on the fact that everything God does, he gives us the free will to accept or reject. It would be interesting to find out about what she says about predestination as well though.
Reflection Paper #5 Although, “Ellen White did not feel called upon to address the question of God’s fairness in allowing a sinful nature be passed on to Adam’s offspring,” according to Whidden, I still can’t help but wonder why. The idea that we inherit the sins of our Fathers doesn’t sit well with me. Having to deal with sin and fighting the temptation to sin is such a heavy burden. I realize that we can overcome all things through Jesus Christ, but this particular chapter of Whidden’s book made me feel like sinning was inevitable, all because of Adam! Even when there is no physical commission of sin, we may struggle with our thoughts. We are bombarded every which way we turn with sinful things, people (in and out the church), and places. However, reading Romans 5 restored my hope. Paul, Ellen White, and Rodriguez say the same thing as it relates to Adams fall, and the gift of righteous through Jesus Christ, however, the tone in Roman was much more encouraging in my opinion. Next, the theme that made the greatest impression on me during our class discussion is the idea that we need the Holy Spirit to accompany us when we read the Word of God, and that Jesus must be the center of our interpretation of the Word. I now read the Bible intentionally looking for Jesus. I’m reminded of the fact that the Pharisees studied the Scriptures, but were never looking for Jesus in those Scriptures. Their main purpose in studying the Scriptures was to show men that they were learned individuals, but they never appreciated the spirit of the Word and/or Scripture. Therefore, when Jesus came and spoke to them they could not recognize that it was He that they studied.
With regards to Rodriguez’s article, I agree with his arguments. Furthermore, his article is a great example of what happens when we try and over simplify phrases in the Bible without looking at the entire Bible for further study and information.
The issue if sin is so complicated and most writers have failed to give a clear picture. But Angel Rodríguez provides a in Adam/in Christ motifs which will help us under their roles in the Bible. In Adam all are counted sinners but in Christ all are redeemed. We should be careful on how to use this terminologies as literal translated, for instance Jesus was from the lineage of Adam a sinner but this does not mean he was sinner likewise not all who claim to be Christians are saved. So we should be careful on how to use them. Likewise Ellen White was early influenced with the teachings of Christ exalted from her husband and she understood her situation then. Although she understood she exalts herself above others. I can see the need now following her humility and faith to fulfill the promises of God since we aren’t perfect. We should have a balance in all we do by depending on God’s great transforming power. We can not achieve by ourselves but depend on him. We may not be a Jew to be righteous since no one is righteous (Romans 3) but this should not be an excuse to remain in sin. Again we may see the law as a barrier to our salvation but the law makes us to be conscious of our sins so we may seek forgiveness in order to be righteous. And this righteousness is through the faith in Jesus Christ which comes from God..
Personally, this week’s reading assignments solved the problem that I have been curious about for a long time. The problem was that “in Adam” and “in Christ.” I have heard that some of the interpretations of that issue but I was not satisfied with those answers. However, Rodriguez explained all the possible interpretations and gave me the final answer so I was so happy with his answer. He says about the issue at the end of his article as “Adam responsible for his own sin; his descendants the fatal result of his transgression.” And the conclusion of “in Christ” is clear as well. The article says, “It is necessary to return to the biblical understanding of those important expressions in order to avoid potential heresies.” There are many exegeses about this issue but in point of view from the Bible, it is clear that we are saved by faith. The second issue that I was curious in Romans is this verse, “Rom 6:20, Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.” It sounds that God gave us the law to judge us and condemn us. Then, why did He do that? Is He really love of God? But Ellen White gave me a very good answer for this. She says “Justice and mercy are but two sides of the same coin of God’s character of love.” So if we think of justice and judgment without His mercy we will misunderstand His law and His character. I’ve learned so good things from this week assignments.
Response # 4 From the last few classes I have appreciated how Dr. Hanna is really encouraging us to ponder and think about how salvation is really not that simple, in terms of giving just a word or two in description. Our bible tells us that the thief on the cross accepted Jesus and that he will be heaven someday. For him salvation was incredibly simple, he believed and Jesus gave him the right of eternal life. Now we don’t know the thief’s prior understanding of God and how the Holy Spirit had been working on his heart. We just know that Jesus assured the repentant thief of his forgiveness and gift of eternal life. Now here is the difficulty in which I am appreciating this class, had the thief not died and been allowed to continue his life, what would the effect of Justification had on his salvation? Now I know this is jumping into about step 5 of the 7 steps that we’ve been discussing in class, but it’s always been a thought of mine: is salvation only a difficult topic if you live longer past the point of Justification? Just some thoughts, but I appreciate how we are taking the time to cover a lot of angles within the broad range of salvation, because to limit the depth of salvation is to limit what Jesus has done for us. A point from class that I found quite interesting was that of God’s character being backed up by his omnipotent power. That God has the power to do anything, if he didn’t have the power to sin or lie than he wouldn’t be all powerful. But his amazing character goes directly against those qualities, which in turn leads me to love and appreciate him all the more! Another point from class that I really enjoyed was the one we ended on; how that Lucifer would not have been able to rebel in the first place if it were not for God’s grace, he was on probation and failed it, when he choose to rebel. Just incredible to think that the enemy which throws so many charges at God, and hates the human race so much, would never have been able to do so if it were not for God’s incredible grace and freedom in the first place. From the reading in Whidden’s book, the one aspect that really caught my attention was that of how Mrs. White kept the Great Controversy theme central in all her theology. The author brought out how this focus kept the balance between justification and perfection. This has been something that I appreciate. For I have found that if I don’t keep the Great Controversy in mind as I live my life and do such things as school, all to soon my focus becomes lost and I end up treating school simply as head knowledge. For really, what the Bible speaks about, it should speak to me. When the Bible speaks about salvation, it is speaking about salvation for Ted. When the Bible talks about sanctification, it speaks about sanctification for Ted. And then of course fulfillment in life comes in being able to take this life changing reality and share it with other people so that they can experience Jesus for themselves!
This week’s readings were very inspiring. The Apostle Paul in Romans 5 expressed how Adam’s sin had affected the human race. But God’s counter-act of love through Christ had brought man back to life once again. I was deeply moved by this chapter to see the amazing grace of God. He had freely given to man what he does not deserve because he had left God on his own free will. But the Apostle summed up God’s love very well by saying; v8 “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” For this reason man can only be justified by faith in the redeeming sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ because through His obedience to death, man is “made righteous” [v19]. Whidden in the sixth chapter of his book tells us that despite the mixtures of theological teachings in the days of Ellen White but her understanding of salvation in regards to sin and human condition was very clear. Interestingly, Ellen White saw that it is impossible for a man to work his way out from the slavery of sin because he inherit a sinful nature but not the guilt of Adam’s sin. For this reason, she concluded that man’s work is never enough to make him justify but only Jesus’ saving merits that is able. Angel M Rodriguez’s article “Comments on, 1 Timothy 4: 10” was helpful to clarify some of these difficult texts which seem to entertain the idea of universal justification. He stated that God offered a way of salvation for all man because Christ is the only “mean” and “exclusive instrument” for our salvation. However, in order to be justified by the Blood of Jesus and be saved is man’s acceptance of this precious gift. And all these readings really connect with our class discussion this week. I must say that Dr Hanna’s idea of “Salvation in Body language and Typology” was an eye opener. I often read these texts before but never got to think how Scripture is using the body language to explain the mystery of salvation. Again, I still agree with our class that we need a bigger model of salvation, must be based on Totality of Scriptures and must be seen through “His flesh” or the “Cross of Jesus” for better understanding of God’s saving grace.
In chapter 3 of Understanding Scripture, I found the discussion of the presuppositions in the interpretation of scripture to be a very clear and thorough analysis of the issue. It is true that interpreters of the Bible whether trained theologians or laity approach the Bible with their worldview and preconceived notions that govern our hermeneutics which is why have various interpretations of scripture. It is indeed a challenge, yet a necessity, to approach the scriptures with a neutrality and openness of mind and heart. I found the discussion on how the affects sin have influenced our reasoning to be spot on. It is, in a nutshell, sin that has clouded our ability to see spiritual things clearly. The influence of pride and doubt can certainly distort and paralyze our hermeneutics. The prideful heart resist and misinterprets scriptures that do not align with it’s worldview. The doubtful heart refuses to believe the power in the scriptures and thus limits it’s miraculous power in life. Among the necessary attitudes for interpretation of scripture, humility, the antonym of pride, can not be overstated. Humility of spirit acknowledges our human limitations and inadequacies and causes us to seek the leading of the Holy Spirit who will lead us to truth. It is paramount for us as students of the word to pray for humble hearts so that we can righty divide the word and teach others of Christ.
Dr. Hanna’s offering the, “The Cosmic Christ of Scriptures” provides clear and intriguing commentary on the topic of revelation and inspiration. In chapter five Dr. Hanna touches on the intriguing subject of the revelation of humanity in divinity. I am intentional is saying ‘touches’ because this perplexing topic is at the center of many theological debates. He highlights the questions, what is the nature of divinity? What is the nature of humanity? What is the nature of the divine-human connection in Jesus Christ? These weighty questions are very relevant and integral to our understanding of the supreme revelation of God to humanity, the God-man Jesus the Christ. It is incumbent upon us as students and teachers of the word to have a correct understanding of the nature of Christ to effectively communicate the word of God to others. Understanding the divine-human Christ is essential because it will affect our hermeneutics and shape our theology. There are conflicting schools of thought on this topic in the Adventist arena, which have valid arguments, but are not all correct. As we examine the supreme revelation of God, I challenge us to evaluate our view of the nature of Christ and see if our theology aligns with epistemological revelation.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 5 THST 540 – 09/30/08
Romans 5 show that because we are justified by our faith we have peace with God (verse 1) and not only we have access to grace also (verse 2). This grace by which we stand comes to us through Jesus sacrifice on the cross that opens this door. And His death on the cross was not only to save us but also to change us because otherwise it has no sense. Romans 5:12-21 show that if the sin entered through one man, Adam, than righteousness entered through one man also, Jesus Christ, and if through sin we have death, trough righteousness we have life. But this "death passed upon all men for that all have sinned." So this means that our sins condemns us and not Adam sin. But verse 11 says clear that we must “joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”, which means that we have been reconciled. Ángel Manuel Rodríguez in his article “Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs” is saying that “we have misunderstood” the 1888 Study Committee and that “they are not clear in their own thinking concerning the meaning of those two phrases.” He is saying that trough this affirmation they are implying the idea that “if we were in Christ when he died for our sins, paying the penalty for our sins, then we died in him. He did not die for me! I actually died on the cross for my own sins! I was not saved through Jesus; I saved myself through Jesus! Since I was in Jesus, he was not my substitute, my sin was not transferred to him. I took my own sin to the cross in Jesus!” To avoid this problem he is suggesting that we must return to the “biblical understanding” in order not to create heresies. In chapter 5 Whidden says that the doctrine of salvation is not an independent doctrine but a doctrine which is related whit other “doctrinal factors” and this is true because the theme of salvation is the core of the Bible, this is the good news of the Bible and the other “doctrinal factors” is only supporting this major doctrine. Regarding the law and grace it is sown how clever satan is. First he is saying that god is arbitrary and that His law can not be obeyed and that the human being can not be forgiven by such a just God. Both arguments are destroyed at the cross and than satan is changing his mind, now God is so merciful that He can not be just anymore. Before cross God was too just and after the cross He is to unjust. With this kind of affirmations I do not think that satan will win the elections. God can be just and mercy in the same time because this is His character. As the author says at the end “ obedience is possible, but is always associated with a just and loving acceptance.”
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 05 THST 540 – 09/28/08
This week's reading assignment went beyond the theoretical level, presented something more human, and made it more understandable. Both the sixth chapter of Whidden's book and the article The Dynamics of Salvation present clear and accessible concepts involved in having a relationship with God. Even though Whidden's focus is on more specific subjects such as sin, guilt and an introduction to perfection, both of the documents lay practical definitions of the several stages in a relationship with God. What I enjoyed the most was to see how God was put in the center of all the initiatives and goes far beyond the value of any of human merit. It was interesting to observe the many levels of understanding of truth presented in the redemption plan. As the article stated, it is something that will be studied all throughout eternity, and yet is so simple that a child could understand it. Nonetheless, it is amazing to study, and to be able to grasp a small measure of the immensity of love that God has for us in order to carry such a redemption plan. The article published in Adventist Review was well formulated to inspire a deeper relationship with God, instead of a relationship simply as a theological declaration – an element we sometimes miss. The fifth chapter of Romans is the key to understand the entire message that Paul tries to transmit – a message of salvation and love. In this chapter Paul reveals Jesus Christ as the center of this message. He clearly explains the redemption plan coming to a vital point in this cosmic war. I enjoyed the contrast made between sin and grace, and how Paul shows grace tipping the scales completely when put up against sin. If there were any doubts about the plan of salvation in previous chapters of Romans, I believe that the doubts dissipate when reading chapter 5 when the climax of salvation is reached.
The class discussion this week introduced the concept of “body language” into our doctrine of salvation. Bodies are the means and goals of salvation in scripture and are closely associated with the concept of sanctuary. I believe Dr. Hanna may be using this concept to bring us to a more universal or “cosmic” view of salvation that includes the entire creation and not just human beings, and I look forward to seeing how he develops this in future lectures.
In Romans 5 Paul picks up the theme of justification from chapter 4 and applies the legal metaphor in a relational context—justification brings about peace with God and accomplishes our reconciliation to Him. God’s love for us and consequent desire for reconciliation was what motivated Christ to die for us, and by accepting his death we can experience His love through the Holy Spirit in our hearts, which confirms our hope of salvation. Paul concludes by emphasizing free-gift and gracious quality of Christ’s death, which overcame the power of death introduced into the world by Adam’s disobedience.
I very much appreciated chapter 6 of Whidden’s book as he addressed the topic of prevenient grace, though not in those terms, in the writings of Ellen White. I have been looking for hints of this doctrine in her works, and he pointed out some that I had previously read but obviously overlooked. The BRI document I read addressed what I consider to be a perversion of prevenient grace in the teachings of the 1888 Message Study Committee, showing how their understandings of “in Adam” and “in Christ” create more theological problems then they solve.
Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez
The author examined how the 1888 Study Committee presented their understanding of the phrase “In Adam” and “In Christ” in light of what those terms really meant to the believer. This article went a great length showing the fallacies of the understanding of the 1888 Study Committee of the “In Adam” motif. The author says “The idea that every human being was in Adam when he sinned is confusing and may lead to serious theological problems. In what sense was everybody in Adam?” Questions were presented on the “In Christ” phrase as well, when reference was made to Christ’s death, on the cross, that sinners were in Him on his death, which could be understood that mankind then atoned for his own sin. I had a problem with this article, not because I believe in the views of the 1888 Study Committee’s views, but just because a lot of effort was put in showing the errors but there was no proposal as to the correct understanding of those phrases. I agree that the statements are not truthful in the way they have been presented, if at all its a correct rendering of the views of the 1888 Study Committee, but I would have appreciated more discussion on the correct understanding. Chapter 7 of “Ellen White on Salvation” talked about how inspiration presents the subject of the atonement in relation to God’s character of love and mercy. He says she presented a broad view of what atonement means, not as something that just happened on the cross or something happened in heaven in 1844. He saw her view incorporating free will and not just an arbitrary and deterministic way of saving mankind. “Atonement involved not only Christ’s death on the cross, but also Christ’s intercession, which makes His life available to repentant, trusting believers. Such trusting belief not only receives God’s acceptance, but is also powerfully motivates to imitate Christ’s life. So the atonement has implication for the sanctification experience of believers, not just their experience of forgiveness and acceptance.” Ellen White paints a vivid picture of the work of atonement on the cross where Christ as the sin bearer, experienced the wrath of God against sin, in his body. That too was an act of love mingled with justice, God’s atoning love reaching out to lost mankind to make a way open for the believers to have eternal life, which then leads to a Christ like life while hear on earth. We can only be thankful for God’s love and mingled with justice.
Gerard vertilus 9/30/08 Doctrine of salvation one page reflection
All of us are egoists born. Self is the first natural center of our existence. Yet the key saying of Jesus, indeed the only one found in all four Gospels, and five times in the four, declare that those who find their lives lose them. "If any man come after me, let deny himself." How poorly are those words interpreted if they are taken to refer to some small self-denial! They surely imply that the natural centre of life, self, must be rejected, and that the centre must be rejected, and that the centre must be thrown outside inot something wider. That is the essence of salvation. According to Paul in Romans chapter 4 the key element of salvation is faith. Paul used Abraham as a perfect example. Abraham had faith in God therefore, God justified him because of his faith. Abraham wasn't circumcised based on the rituals of the Jews. However, God circumcized him through the power of the Holy spirit and declared him righteous. God promised to Abraham that his descendant will become a great nation and they will be blessed because of that promise. So again salvation is not receiving by work but by grace through faith.
Gerad Vertilus comment on David hamstra: I appreciate and agree with David reflection and the good thing he said about the class and the lecture we had to read this week for this class. He mad some good commentary about everything we have cover so far.
Secondly, for the next refletions I would suggest to him that he needs to elaborate more on salvation because the main reason we are doing all these reflections is because we want to dig more about salvation and come to a better understanding and get and a big picture about salvation. Yet we may have other idea about how to do our reflection nontheless the focus must always be about salvation.
Romans 5 is such a powerful text. Death through Adam, Life Through Christ is such an important theology. in the last part of verse 20 we really find the power of Christ's Character. "But where sin increased, grace increased all the more." As I look at our human nature I find it necessary to understand how in spite of my imperfections Christ intercedes on behalf of me. Last week Dr. Hanna spoke of "body language" being part salvation, which is accomplished in Christ’s body, but Cannot be modeled without body language. From the beginning our creator taught us that our relationship with him is interactive. Christ breathed into Adam. Christ could have just spoken into Adam into existence, but he made it personal. I can imagine all of that God had created watching this model of body language and connection with mankind. What a beautiful model to follow! As I seek to understand salvation through reading Whidden and Romans I begin to understand the simple complexity of how salvation is attained. As Dr. Hanna put it last week, " Some say that salvation is simple so you don’t need the total model. God has given us the gift of faith which is simple, but we are saved by a miracle which is complicated." The Bible is our model, because it shows us Christ's model. This is why Tota Scriptura is essential to our Theology.
In our reading entitled “The Dynamics of Salvation”, the General Conference document summarizes what Seventh-day Adventist Christians believe in relationship to salvation. As most of you have already read the article, it covers a vast array of topics from reconciliation, justification, and sanctification to name a few which all should be understood in the context of the third angels massage. However, in reading the article I thought that it was somewhat limited. Can anybody guess what it is? It was the unique Adventist Sanctuary message that really is the major contribution to Christian theology. In no way do I pretend to be an expert in Adventist Sanctuary theology, yet even I must admit that it should be in this document. What does it mean that it’s not? Are we saying in effect that contemporary Adventist theology dismisses this distinctive understanding? Just thought I’d ask. Whidden’s chapter regarding Ellen White went right along with today’s lecture. Ellen White is a perfect example of seeing things holistically and fully. She always had a bigger model because the Bible projects a bigger model of salvation as we’ve been taught. This is evident in the chapter discussion about her delicate balance between law and grace. She is attempting to not get pinned down but to articulate the Biblical records. This is why she and the Bible itself are often mistaken because they both speak to an approach that is both/and instead of either/or, thus for me further authenticating her inspiration. This same theme is also picked up in Rom 5:2 when Paul says, “Through him we have also obtained access by faith into his grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” Notice is says, in hope. This is a both/and statement regarding the assurance of salvation. It recognizes right now one is saved but can be lost therefore the language of hope is used.
Reflection Paper#5 (Week Ending September 27, 2008) (Sheldon Smith) I always find Romans chapter 5 to be an interesting chapter in the bible. What I enjoy and find interesting about it is the contrasts Paul continually makes regarding the sinfulness of man versus the righteousness of God. After contrasting the human condition with the efficacious grace of Jesus in the chapter, Paul climaxes in verse 20 where he says that where sin abounds grace much more abound. This chapter to me runs in contrast to the views that the 1888 committee put forth. Angel Rodriguez defended the biblical concepts well in eliminating the idea that there was a universal legal justification. The fact that Christ’s death was to supply grace and consequently salvation for the human race means that humans don’t have to die as he died. Also, when Christ died we weren’t present in him else if that was the case, we would have resurrected in Him and be in heaven. The universal legal justification simply does not make any sense. In Chapter 6 of Whidden’s book, what was new in a sense to me was the way the author brought across the point that our character can be made perfect through Christ on earth. However, our nature will not be perfect on this side until glorification takes place.
Romel Charles Wednesday, September 17, 2008 Reflection # 3
Looking at Romans 3 it can be concluded that man’s need of salvation in greater than we know it. Verse 10-12 tells us that, “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” Man’s need of salvation is greater because of the confusion that arose in verse 9 with the accusation that Paul firmly denies that the Jews were better off or worse than the Gentiles. This leads to the conclusion given in verses 10-12 that no one has an advantage over anyone else that we are all in the same boat struggling. Whidden in chapter three talks about the different fanatics and their positions that were around in the decade before 1888. There were the “cheap grace” preachers and also the Holiness fanatics. The Holiness fanatics were similar to the people in Romans 3 that were saying that the Jews were better off than the Gentiles. Whidden says, ““In a wry twist they declared that some of the “sanctified” have even reached the almost hopeless position that they cannot sin” and “have no further use for the use for the Lord’s Prayer, which teaches us to pray that our sins may be forgiven.”” In “Christ Saved the Human Race” by Angel Rodriguez he takes a look at the statements that have been used to argue that she (Ellen White) believed that at the cross Jesus legally saved the whole human race. This was not the message that she wanted to convey. What was meant was that He (Christ) paid the ransom required as the result of Adam's fall, and saved the world in the sense that now there is hope for all who come to Christ, and receive him as their personal Savior. This directly correlates with the other two readings in the fact that there is no hope in ourselves because there is none that is righteous no not one. Even if you keep the law to the proverbial T, it cannot save you. For Mrs. White, salvation was useless unless “they would accept it.” In that case I guess salvation is like any other gift, it can be offered to you but if you don’t accept it then it is meaningless.
S. Michael Olaye October 1, 2008 Blog #5 In Angel Rodriguez’ article “Comments on the ‘In Adam/In Christ Motifs” I found it shocking to discover that there were actually things that our pioneers didn’t really understand. This was clearly seen in the 1888 Study Committee when they tried to interpret the In Adam/In Christ statements found scattered throughout the Bible. Certain views would pop up that mimicked Calvinist views that we were helpless to the point that we needed to depend on God for making our own decisions. Rodriguez, alongside with Whidden, teach that we have the ability to choose what is right and wrong, however, we sin just like Adam. It will only be through Christ that we will be able to see Him in the earth made new. Romans 5 is a beautiful chapter that allows us to understand what is said by the above authors. Sin came into this world through Adam, and that we will be saved from certain death through Jesus Christ. All of this is played out before our eyes in the plan for salvation.
Romel Charles Reflection # 4 Wednesday, September 24, 2008
In “Comments on 1 Timothy 4:10” by Angel Manuel Rodriguez the discussion takes place on the text in 1 Timothy 4:10 which reads, “ For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.” This article is in existence because of a preacher that quoted this text to substantiate his claim that Christ saved the human race and that those who will actually be saved are those who do not reject that salvation. Romans 4:2-3 says, “If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Salvation is not received by not rejecting salvation but by faith in Jesus and the faith that He offered salvation and accepting it. Abraham was justified (part of salvation) by faith not because he did not reject God’s salvation. In chapter 4 of Ellen White on Salvation, Whidden talks about the personal testimonies of Ellen and James White. Ellen said, “I am not free from mistakes and errors in my life. This is a powerful statement because it showed that she did not consider herself to be superior to others. Later on she says that, “I do not say that I am perfect, but I am trying to be perfect.” From her humbling statement we can see that she understood the process of salvation. She did not just write about what she thought but she believed in what she wrote. This sets the precedence for us as Seventh-day Adventists in the fact that we have to practice what we preach and teach on a daily basis.
The most outstanding concept from my reading this past week was the explanation given in Whidden about the variances of theory regarding atonement. I agree with EGW that "atonement is moving in a line across the history of redemption". It's interesting how people have reduced atonement to a moral influence theory and I like how Whidden emphasizes the Calvary chapter in DA to refute this. God's active work of love is evident in the satisfaction theory that dominated EGW. I've often found in my research that any atonement concept, whether in paganism or spiritualism, makes use of an appeasement format. Interesting how the devil loves to defame the character of God by turning His own character against Him. But God's character is cosmically vindicated at Calvary through the second death suffering of His only Son.
The first man on the earth; who God formed with His own hands; who had the greater knowledge than we will ever have until Jesus comes again. It wasn’t the Adam’s descendants that messed up, but it was Adam the first man, God’s first human creation goofed up and through him the sin entered into the world. Roman 5:12 says; “Just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men because all sinned.” The article “In Adam” it did not clarify my understanding of “In Adam”, I was still confused. I like the word “through” rather than “in” just like the NIV translation puts it; “through one man”. We are all sinners because of Adam’s sin, and l would like to think of it as we are the consequences of Adam’s sin. If a mother decides to drink during pregnancy, her baby might not come out normal. What did the baby do to deserve tragedy? The mother knew she shouldn’t drink but she did anyways, and so the result is an abnormal baby. Of course sin is much worse and dangerous and can’t compare with an alcohol. But thankfully the life doesn’t end there because in verse 19; “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man than many will be made righteous” We have a savior a rescuer; verse 21; “… so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” After reading the article and the Bible, it made me focused more on the good new and not how and why I was born a sinner.
Reflection Paper #6 I really enjoyed this week’s lecture and assigned readings. First, I thought that the Righteousness by Faith Consultation did an excellent job. I appreciated how they broke down certain concepts and terminology that we often use in the church as we describe the doctrine of salvation. After reading section 2 of the article, The Dynamics of Salvation, I found myself reflecting on my past experiences and looking for God in those instances. I was in awe when I thought of how God throughout the beginning of time initiates contact with humanity to save us. In addition, I thought about what my response has been to God in the past and what it should be in the future. Next, the article examined the steps we as Christians take when we accept God’s grace, and the restoration that takes place. I can see these steps and the transformation that has taken place in my own life as a result of my spiritual journey with Christ. There was one important point, among several, that was made in the article that I’d like to highlight, and that is the idea that faith and/or spiritual growth is not automatic. As a result, it’s imperative that we maintain disciplines that strengthen our desire to obey and submit to God’s will. Whidden’s summary of Ellen White’s opinions on atonement was in harmony with the article and Romans 6. However, in Romans 6:14, “…for ye are not under the law, but under grace” I wandered if Paul addresses this verse to nonbelievers who are “at home in sin, unmindful of consequences and of God” or is he specifically speaking to believers, defined as individuals who have been consecrated, sanctified, and baptized? I ask this question because in Romans 6, Paul is speaking to those that are dead to sin, individuals who have apparently accepted Jesus Christ. Finally, lecture was thought provoking. I noticed after Wednesday that I started seeing certain biblical passages in light of the sanctuary and the cosmic conflict taking place in heaven.
There is so much confusion regarding I Timothy 4:10 as to those who are saved and those who been saved specially. Here Dr. Angel Rodriguez give a candid explanation which I entire agree. God has already provided a way of escape but simply accepting his plan of salvation. There is no class of people that is special to receive this salvation. Every soul has a responsibility to accept Him and consequently get true salvation. The gift of salvation is universally given to all not any group that is special. I also agree with Whidden II that Satan has tried to put God as one who will not forgive a sinner because he can keep his laws. This implies that God’s grace is not sufficient yet we know that it is through grace that we are able to keep the laws. There is a need to balance law and grace to avoid the trap Satan has put in place according to Ellen White. We can only achieve perfect obedience to the law if we follow the foot steps of Christ who provided mercy for al although not worthy. In Roman 4 Abraham is regarded as a man of great faith but not faith alone that made him great, his hope in God contributed a lot.
I was interested in what you are saying about “several stages in a relationship with God.” And in every stage God leads us first and takes action before we do. And another thing that I really agree with is “yet is so simple that a child could understand it.” God wants to save everyone even little ones but I believe that we make it harder.
Reflection 6 Romans 6 has been a good chapter for me. I have spent a lot of time with it in the last few weeks as I prepared my research paper for this class. But it was nice to sit and read it in its entirety for its whole message. I looked at the whole message of course, but then I moved to the more minute details recently, so the whole picture was good again. Paul talks about salvation being involved in the Baptismal situation. We die to sin in Baptism. This point brings to my mind the question of the necessity of baptism in our salvation. We have to die to sin, but is baptism necessary for that to happen? Obviously the thief on the cross did not have to be baptized. But if I have to opportunity to be baptized and chose not to, is that revealing an attitude that is not dead to sin. I think that is the answer to my question. Baptism was something that Jesus did and something he tells us to do, so if I chose not to when I have the ability, then I am shunning Jesus example and not willing to die to my sin. I very much enjoyed the article on the Biblical Research Center site. I think it was a very helpful overview of salvation. It was based on the bigger model of salvation that Dr. Hanna has been talking about in class. It did not necessarily answer all of the deep questions we might find about salvation, but it gave us a good framework from which to work in discovering the answers to our questions. As we look at hard to understand texts and subjects related to salvation, it is helpful to have a big picture to compare it to and this article does a good job of giving us a big picture. It incorporates many of the pictures of salvation that we have in the Bible and was well organized. I appreciated it and will probably print a copy for my records. The chapter on Ellen White’s beliefs on atonement was an interesting read. I thought that the emphasis on the atonement both being in the cross where Jesus provided forgiveness and in the heavenly sanctuary where he applies forgiveness to us was very helpful. Also the section where Whiddon described the three views of atonement and how they fit into Ellen White’s views was very helpful. She has a large view of salvation and that shows through in this chapter where she agreed with all three views to some extent, but she did not let any one exclude the others.
The story or theology of salvation is simple in a sense and very complicated in another sense but I believe that we should review His salvation story regularly so that we may not forget how we live. In that sense, this week’s reading assignment was perfect for it. The article “The Dynamics of Salvation” describes how we get saved well and easily. Our condition is hopeless and “even our righteous deeds are as filthy rags in His sight.” So God started to salvation work first and we human beings just need to take it. But we are sinners so we don’t even know who God is how wonderful salvation is. So Jesus came down to the earth and showed us Father’s character. So the only thing that we should do is to trust Him and accept Him. And next step is to be sanctified until He comes back. This is brief summary of the article and I had no problem with it. But Ellen White touches a sensitive issue. The issue is “total depravity.” John Wesley argued that “sinners are so deranged and depraved by sin that they cannot even respond to God’s redemptive initiative.” But Ellen White insisted that “such depravity is not total depravity and sinners still have the ability to respond to God’s saving offer.” I really appreciate for saying this to her. How is it going to be sad if I cannot even respond His calling. Lastly, Romans 6 talks about how Christians should live in Christ. In verse 8 says, “how if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him.” If we experience His love and new born we have to live in Him continuously.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 06 THST 540 – 10/05/08
Whidden's chapter on the atonement was of particular interest to me. He was able to explain a doctrine that has, and continues to be, distorted by many scholars – even inside our own church. When one looks at the sanctuary as a reference, there is no room for misinterpretation of the value of Jesus sacrifice and his Investigative Judgment. Ellen White was a great tool, used by God to bring light over this theme. However, even her clear concepts got distorted. It should be, in my opinion, a subject of continuous study. As for the article written by Heppenstall on perfection, it was very objective approach to the subject matter. I do, however, think it could be more in depth at some points. It is, nonetheless, a accurate perspective on perfection as we read it in the Bible. I enjoyed the fact that he defines perfection as a process of eliminating the barriers between us and God, and names Jesus its one and only source. It is a flowing process guided by the Holy Spirit in which we cooperate by deciding to live a Christlike life every day. It was appropriate to explain the concept of sin versus perfection since it has been misunderstood so many times before. A misinterpretation of our “perfect” nature undermines the purpose of the entire Redemption Plan, and denies the value of Christ's victory. Perfection is a journey – not a destination. It is this journey towards perfection that I see represented in the sixth chapter of Romans. Paul addresses the purpose and the motivation that leads us to live a Christlike life. After showing the magnitude of the victory of Christ, Paul reasons over the joy it is to live on the decision of serving God. It invites to a fulfilled life in freedom without barriers between us and God – a life of communion from which we receive eternal life.
Reflection # 5 Well, another section dealing with the topic of ‘Universal legal Justification’. But this time the reading of Romans fit right in with the article and chapter of the book. So, the whole discussion of being ‘In Adam’ and ‘In Christ’? There was some interesting discussions and viewpoints covered again. As the article mentioned, to pursue the argument to the realms of physiological and physical extremes that is necessary to claim ‘universal legal justification’ boarders extremely close to pagan dualism. A question I might have then if we were ‘In Adam’ when he sinned, weren’t we in Adam when he finished his life victoriously? (I believe that Adam will be heaven) I mean, why wait for a savior if Adam is good to go? Let’s pack up this ship and get out of here. Okay, so I know that is farfetched. But when you stack up the rest of scripture about each one of us needing to come to repentance and God desiring no one to be lost (meaning some will be) and the rest of it, I think that builds a case against everybody being universally legally justified ‘In Christ’. Romans chapter 5 has one of my favorite verses. Verse 8 says, “God demonstrates his love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” That just makes me be in awe of God. To think that before I was born and started on my path of sin, Jesus took the initiative and died for me! He loved me that much already, I can’t do anything more (or less) to change that love for me!! Paul also wrote about the gift of grace. A belief of universal legal justification would actually impose justification upon someone who might not want it (which I’m sure there would be), whereas a gift entitles the recipient to be totally independent and free to either receive or reject that gift. I enjoyed the chapter from Whidden’s book. For me, this chapter seems to contain material that was not so hard to bring together. Let me try to explain. To me, it seemed that previous chapters were covering a great expanse of material and trying to condense it into a couple page summary, therefore necessitating the reader to be knowledgeable on a lot of material outside the chapter. But to me at least, this chapter was quite well presented, or maybe I just understood all the peripheral material better this time. Anyways, the author concludes with a great statement concerning Mrs. White’s views. He says that ““The the effects of sin are so pervasive that we need God’s convicting, calling, converting, justifying, and empowering grace at every advancing step in our experience of salvation.” Amen.
Whidden Ch. 6 Romans Ch. 5 BRI. Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs
Whiddon’s chapter of atonement was very good in the light of so many Christians that put all of the emphasis on the cross. As important as that is, it by itself is incomplete. It’s also interesting that the early pioneers of our church believed the opposite—that the emphasis should be on the High Priestly ministration of the heavenly sanctuary. In reality, it should be both. He sums it up nicely by saying, “Therefore, atonement not only involved making provision for the forgiveness of sins, but also application of these gracious provisions to repentant sinners.” Absolutely. I also liked his treatment of the “theories” of salvation, especially the moral influence theory. How a person can say that basically God won’t destroy or doesn’t have the right to destroy (because He is love) is beyond me. I also really liked the BRI article about perfection. I think he is dead on. Though we can have power from Jesus to overcome sin, our sinful nature is never vanquished. The number of people that have bought into sinless perfection and, as a consequence, slaughtered their faith and left the church (and more importantly Christ Himself) is staggering. We have to understand that it is Christ that does all of the work, not us. We choose daily to follow where He leads and obey and that’s it. As for Romans 6: “But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” There’s nothing I can add to that.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 6 THST 540 – 10/07/08
I have enjoyed very much to read chapter six from Romans, dead to sin but alive in Christ. Paul introduced in chapter 5 the idea that where sin abounded, grace abounded much more. So it means that we can “continue in sin” because we are under the grace and not anymore under the law. And Paul gives a very strong answer “certainly not”. He establishes also a very strong principle here, if we have died to sin, then we should not live any longer in it. It simply doesn’t work to live any longer in something you have died to and also that we having been set free from sin, so we became slaves of righteousness. To be slaves of righteousness means more than a simple employee, it means that we now willingly serve Jesus and ignore our own interests. And now because we have been set free from sin, we never have to sin again. But the apostle John says clear in 1 John 1:8: “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” So the idea is that Sinless perfection in this body is an illusion. And here comes also Whidden article where Ellen White is talking about this saying that “sinners will retain their sinful nature until glorification”. In the BRI article, states that the dynamic of salvation is always “centered in the righteousness of God and His Son”. And that the righteousness of God leads us from “guilt to justification, from sinfulness to sanctification, from alienation to restoration and on to glorification”. Christ died for us so we can have salvation, all of us, but He is not forcing us to accept, it is our choice. He made peace with us and now it depends on us if we want to accept. We must trust God and put our faith in Him and in His word, like Abraham did it.
Reflection 6 I accidentally reflected on Romans 7. Maybe next week I will do Romans 6.
Just a quick note on class last week. I really appreciate the way Dr. Hanna has approached the topic of the Sanctuary. People are always arguing if the sanctuary is a literal place and so on and so on. Dr. Hanna has pointed out that the Bible states that there is a heavenly sanctuary so one must exist. We must not debate or inquire whether there is a sanctuary in heaven, but what the sanctuary in heaven actually entails. Dr. Hanna stated that "earthly sanctuary is both literal and symbolic. -so being literal is not contrary to being symbolic and vise verse."
Now on to Romans 7 I just love Paul. If there was anyone in the Bible so upfront about his own issues, its definitely Paul. He says in Romans 7:14-20. This speaks right to my heart. "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me." Paul really understood himself and understood what grace and mercy are all about. God wants us to come to him as humbled sinners. To understand how corrupt we really are and come to the feet of Christ broken in this understanding He is there to cleanse us. Christ has died for the imperfect and sinful, if we were perfect and sinless, then would Christ really have needed to be our atoning sacrifice. Salvation would be a right and not be based on Gods infinite Grace and mercy to his people. Whidden stated that Ellen White mentioned that Sinners will never achieve perfection until we are glorified in Christ. We must understand that Christ interceding on our behalf is the key ingredient in our salvation. It's not what we can do, but what Christ can do in us, through us, and for us.
The chapter 6 of Romans is one of those unique chapters where the Apostle Paul challenged the thoughts of his readers. Paul emphasized what a true converted Christian is like, no longer live in sin but only in Christ who gave His life for our salvation. I like how the Apostle used what he called “human terms” to describe our condition as “slaves to righteousness” because Christ has set us free. It reminds me of what one singer used to say that; “The only way to be free from this devil’s snares is to become a slave of God.” That was said in a good meaning of “slave” just as the way the Apostle puts it. The chapter 7 of Whidden’s book really confirmed my belief in the concept of Christ’s atonement. I really appreciated Ellen G White’s understanding of this concept because others have placed so much emphasis on one aspect of Jesus’ death and neglect the other. Despites there were many historical views on atonement but Ellen White believed that Jesus not only died for His love for sinners but also to justify the requirements of the law. Whidden said it beautifully, saying, “God’s love is always based on both divine justice and mercy (not on mercy alone). People often emphasized “mercy” and neglect “justice” and this imbalanced view of atonement makes “grace” as something that is cheap but it is costly, Jesus’ own life was offered for our salvation. Rodriguez’s article on “SOME PROBLEMS WITH LEGAL UNIVERSAL JUSTIFICATION” is interesting. The concept means everyone is “legally saved, justified and pardon by Christ death. Arguing from the Scripture, Rodriguez pointed out biblical points why this “Legal Universal Justification” contradicts with Bible teachings. I totally agreed with him, the idea really questioned Christ’s atonement that EGW was talking about. This really tied together with E.G. White’s idea of looking at atonement from a bigger picture than emphasizing portions of the truth. This is really binds with what we had discussed in class. People placed so much emphasis on some aspects of salvation and neglect other aspects. This can only results in arguments to prove ones position but we ought to place our theology of salvation in a bigger model and use the totality of Scripture as the main source.
The class discussion was centered on the concept of “sanctuary” in the context of body theology. We focused on some different sanctuaries that are mentioned in scripture and how there is a heavenly and earthy antitype and type to them. I was surprised that the Sabbath as a sanctuary was not included on the list. Romans 6 elaborates on the nature of the reign of grace Paul mentioned at the end of chapter 5. According to Paul, grace is not a state in which we are free to sin because of the possibility of forgiveness (vv. 1-2a). God through grace has freed us from sin through our spiritual participation in Christ’s death (vv. 2b-3) and resurrected us in a state of heart obedience to God’s law (v. 17). In this reign of grace we are slaves to righteousness and free from the dominion of sin (v. 18). The chapter of Whidden’s book dealt with Ellen White’s view of the atonement. He took strong issue with those who believe that the moral influence theory is the only way to understand the atonement in Ellen White’s writings. While he made a strong case that White’s view of the atonement was broader than that, he did not offer a case against the moral influence view that matched his rhetoric. For example, he did not deal with the notion that Satan is the primary cause of destruction and God’s judgment what happens when we choose to separate ourselves from him. The BRI document I read was a summary of the Adventist understanding of salvation compiled in the late 70s. It presented a broad and balanced view of the topic, which I found interesting given its historical context in the impending Ford controversy.
Thank you for sharing your personal devotion with us. I agree with you that all the transformation should be taken place in our own lives. It is nothing to admire another’s experience and listen to their experience. We should meet God in person and have our own experience. And as you said that “faith and/or spiritual growth is not automatic” we need discipline in our lives and every moment. I appreciate mentioning it.
Comments on the article" How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible? By Edward Heppenstall
The subject of Christian perfection has daunted many and still poses threats to Christian unity as the debates go on, is Christian perfection is possible or not. Isa 64:6 For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. This text, was explained to mean that our righteousness is considered to be as rags because rags, do not cover us, and filthy because “they leave us in our defilements and sins”. So clearly, in comparison to that of God, our righteousness is as filthy rags. But notice that it is righteousness, and if we had been faithful to Him, He is the one who enabled it in our lives. So there is some good that is being manifested but that righteousness, (right doing) is nothing when compared to God’s. So in this sense, perfection impossible, because we can never be like God, try as we may. Perfection to me is living up to all the light we have received. This is possible, in God’s power. We struggle a great deal, yes, but the fact that we struggle to overcome sin does not mean that it is impossible to overcome known sin. Let’s not bluff ourselves, we know when we are yielding to temptation which results in sin, and we know what the right thing would be, but we give in because of our desire to satisfy self and because of our weakness, as stated by Paul in Romans 7: 14-25. Of course sinning in ignorance is overlooked according to the scriptures and God’s mercy always shines brightly through all this. Christ came to show us an example of how to overcome sin in a human body. Let’s understand that we should not make Christ exactly like us, as Inspiration cautions, but let’s also face it, it was His purpose to show us how to overcome sin in a sinful nature, and that was through total dependence on God, like He did. Woodrow mentioned that Christ’s temptation more so was to use His divine power to overcome, I agree, but his nature was a balance between Divine and human nature, and He was tempted in all points like as we are tempted, and yet without sin, meaning that it is possible for us to overcome. Victory over sin does not mean you have arrived, but an upward ascent into the likeness of God is what He wants and that is what He calls perfection, occasionally. Job was considered a perfect man, but He complained to God and God had to straighten Him up a bit, a few direct questions did the trick. Even though Job was counted perfect, he never went about boasting, but said he despised himself. Let us, through the grace of God faithfully live up to all the light we have received, and also continue on the upward way, gaining new heights everyday. In class we discussed the existence of the sanctuary, looking at the type and antitype. Clearly the scriptures show that there is a sanctuary in heaven, just as the earthly sanctuary was real and symbolic, the heavenly is both symbolic and real. It was a very beneficial discussion
Reflection Paper#6 (Week Ending October 04, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
From Whidden’s book, I got to understand that Ellen White took a holistic approach regarding the atonement. Whereas her counterparts in the late 19th and early 20th century believed that atonement was a one off event that took place at the cross, Ellen White would have her readers and contemporaries understand that atonement is an ongoing process which has past, present and future implications. She was balanced in her views of atonement. After reading the different theories of atonement as presented by Whidden in his book, in my opinion I think that there is a little truth to the different theories presented on the atonement. For example from the Moral theory, I think that God is moral for He “so love that he gave” and from the substitutionary theory, “he was wounded for our transgression.” Consequently, an eclectic approach should be taken when utilizing the various theories of atonement. In Romans chapter 6, Paul continues where he left off from chapter 5 with some witty rhetoric. What I like in particular about the text is the symbolism depicted in Christ’s literal death, burial and resurrection with the believer’s spiritual death and burial to sin and resurrection in righteousness. I also like the play upon words when he speaks of the believer as once being enslaved to sin but now is enslaved to righteousness. What to say about Rodriquez’s reflection on the dynamics of salvation. It is fully compact, meaningful and has a biblical systematic approach regarding how salvation should be viewed. These were taken from the perspective of Humanity being desperate because of sin, God’s intervention, Our response to Grace, Our new status in Christ and Humanity’s new life in Christ.
In Ellen White on Salvation, Whidden goes over the central theme of Ellen White’s theology. It is the relationship of law and grace against the backdrop of the great controversy. She talks about the three charges that Satan made against God’s character. First, “God is arbitrary and unfair to require obedience to His law, since this law could not be obeyed. Second, Mercy is swallowed up by justice, as humans cannot be forgiven by such a just God. Third, God’s mercy destroyed justice, with the result that Christ’s death abrogated the Father’s law. This seems to correlate with Romans Chapter 5 in the fact that verse 4 talks about character. It seems that an attack on our character is something that we as believers may have to go through attacks on our characters. If God had His Character attacked then are we any better? We need to persevere so that our characters may be proven having been justified by our faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. IT seems that Ángel Manuel Rodríguez addresses a similar theme in Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs. It is clear that a misunderstanding of the phrases "in Adam/in Christ" has created some very serious theological problems for the 1888 Study Committee. According to Rodriguez, “the phrase "in Christ" is not biblical” and therefore seems to be an attack against the understanding of Christ and that “in Christ” refers to a marriage relationship and never as the condition of unbelievers and Christ. So I guess it is safe to say that when it comes to salvation at one point or another our characters come under some type of attack.
Assignement 10/08/08 In Edwared Heppenstall’s article about biblical perfection, the author did a good job describing the biblical view of perfection, which so many Adventist seem to misunderstand. What interested me was that this document seems to be a fairly good marker where many of our scholars are on this topic. However, my short 27 years of living has observed that this is not where the majority of our people and churches are. They still hold unto an old salvation by works, before 1888 mindset (perhaps this was a little harsh). While performing the works of God are important they must be done out of submission to God’s love and nothing else. Still, far to many of our people only seem to focus on earning our way into glory. The question is why is there such a disconnect on this teaching even in 2008? The other thing I liked was how the author pinpointed what I thought was the key, abiding in Christ. In my own life I’ve come to the conclusion that while I desire to be free from sin, it’s only my job to come to Christ. That’s the problem, we’re to focused on the sin problem. The problem is not ours to deal with, it’s Christ’s. All I can do is abide in Him, present myself to him, seek to grow closer to him (which includes the eradication of sin from my members). The difference is that he’ll remove what needs to go; my job is to simply keep abiding and submitting in Him. I am also happy to know that Ellen White believes that while we are depraved by sin that it hasn’t lead us to total depravity like Calvin stated. Instead, there is still some goodness in humanity (we’re made in the image of God, conscience, natural morals, etc…). And while this goodness is not enough for salvation it means that sin hasn’t totally done us in. The last reading hit me in v.15 where Paul begins to state that we can’t go on sinning but must be slaves to Christ. See even here the emphasis is not on sin but on being a slave to another master. We need to stop focusing on sin, instead focus on Christ’s righteousness.
Last class period we were discussing about the sanctuary, our conclusion proved that we have a heavenly sanctuary and an eartly sanctuary. We also mentioned the type and the antitype. Oour main focus was salvation found in the sanctuary. we even say that everything else found in the sanctuary. Everything in the sanctuary pointed to Christ, this the reason we believe that salvation in found in the sanctuary. As the bible clearly stated that let's build be a sanctuary so that I may dwell among you. God presence is there in the sanctuary. God's dwell among his people. What is important about the sanctuary message is that: Christ is pleading for his people, telling God that they are not guilty, my blood is cover them. In the letter to the romans Paul stated that believer were dead to sin, but because of this sacrife, they are alive with God. Christ blood cover them and reconcile them with God. The question is because the guilt of sin should a believe continue to offer sacrifices? no! christ declare us not guilty for ever. His ministry in the sanctuary, his blood cleanse us from our sin.
this comment is on sheldon Smith reflection: I certainly agree with you on your reflection when you say that humanity found salvation in Christ after his resurection. That's true, in my opinion Paul main focus in roman chapter six where you said he left of on the guilt of sin, Christ made believer alive with God.
After losing the Whidden book and then reuniting with it after a week, it was interesting to read about EGW and her understanding of the nature of Christ (Christology). I have a pastor friend who had a real problem with this in his church. He got caught up in the controversy because he chose to take a side on the issue. It is clear from EGW's understanding that it is one of those issues which is difficult to understand, especially here on this side of glory. This statement is fundamental to the understanding: "Christ's nature was vigorously presented as a mysterious blending, or union, of humanity and diety; such a blending was deemed essential to Christ's uniquely saving work." (Whidden 61) I feel bad for my friend who seemed to agonize over the contention in his church and I wish I could have helped him more.
The other interesting article that I had a chance to read this week was "Why Did Jesus Die? How God Saves Us" from the BRI. This article articulated what I've known for a long time about Christ's ultimate love for us, a love which was willing to be eternally separated from His Father for our sakes. I also enjoyed the piece explaining the ransom mystery. If the devil exacts a ransom, this would put him in a position of power, of which he has none. A key statement about this issue was: "There is a far more important truth-namely, that in Christ's atonement a monumental price was paid, not in crass commercial terms, but to accomplish reconciliation between us as fallen sinners and our righteous God, to set us right with God." What a graceful action! It seems to me that God makes it easier to be saved than to be lost.
Name: Rosana Joel Reflection Paper # 6 Justification and the Cross Why justification? At the cross of Calvary, Jesus was out to convey the message of reconciliation between the wicked man and the Holy God. The Calvary sacrifice can be understood from the context of what Adam chose in the Garden of Eden. He accepted to be in the opposing side of God and God had intended to live with him from ever. Due to that factor God had to get another mean of bring man to His original purpose of living – sinless being together with a Holy God. Rodriguez testify the uniqueness of Adam’s sin in manner of its consequences which results to a unique reconciliation at Calvary – a Holy Being dying for a sinner. Before we clearly grasp the real intent of Christ’s death on the cross, we need to have a base of how this sin is to all humanity whereas it was committed by only one man. I like the way Rodriguez narrates this paradox, in manner that the sin of humanity is not the sin of Adam, but because he was the one who represented humanity, what he did affected humanity. This is one of the main mysteries of the Bible. On the cross we also see another mystery in sense that we are reconciled back to God on the merit of the Holy Christ. Humanity did not in any way participate in the sacrifice on the cross, but they are partakers of the sacrifice. The whole salvation process that has its foundation in ‘sin’ and its climax (not the end) on the ‘cross’ is a real mystery. Humanity then can appreciate the sacrifice at Calvary when sin is viewed as an intruder into this world. Sin was not created by God and because its purpose is to oppose God, God in Christ had to blow it away by taking away what it inflicted in man – death. Justification now gives humanity a foundation battle of sin, as sin shall be eradicate at the end of the world.
There are so many arguing on Romans 7. I have difficulties on some of verses in the chapter as well. But I believe that even Paul got through the process of sanctification. In Romans 7: 21, “I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.” It sounds like Paul wants to follow God’s law but his original character prevents him from it. This verse can be related to the article, “How perfect is perfect or is Christian perfection possible?” First of all, I love Heppenstall’s argument and totally agree with him. He argues both sides, able to be perfect and unable to be perfect, and defines how the Bible talks about perfection. According to his definition, “The Bible, in applying the term “perfect” to believers, never means “sinlessness”.” So people cannot be perfect until they go up to the heaven. They cannot remove all the intension leaning to sin. And he concludes his article as “salvation by grace alone means that absolute perfection and sinlessness cannot be realized here and now.” I love this phrase. I believe that God looks at our intension and how perfect we are. Lastly, Whidden touches ceaseless topic, the nature of Christ. I think even Ellen White couldn’t fully understand His nature because she mentions both as Whidden says “some have even concluded that she was simply contradictory in her thought.” And Ellen White says that Trinity and the incarnation etc. are mystery and we will figure it out when we get to heaven. So I just want to believe that Jesus understands me fully and He was on earth for 33 years.
From the article the dynamics of salvation boils down to two main parts. One is the gift from God which we are all free to receive, no strings attatched. Second part is our choice to receive or reject the gift that is given to us. Under this two parts there are many sub categories that follows. When we choose to accept the gift of God we begin to experience the changes in our lives. That degree of experience may be different from person to person but every one experiences changes. Sometimes the new change brings physical challenges but spiritually all fired up. Because we are born bent toward evil, we are natually inclined to do evil, and cannot of ourselves choose the good. So in order to choose to do good we need the energy and the will from God, so that we may still choose to accept the gift of salvation in our sinful condition. We need to have faith and the essence of faith is trust. Paul says in Romans chapter 6 we need to die in sin and alive in Christ. to become new and accept the gift of salvation we need to renew ourselves by experiencing a newness in Christ. No longer be a slave to sin but now a slave to righteousness. The slave to righteousness will bring a new life, restoration and a special spiritual growth that springs up from inside, and the sense of assurance to keep the mind and the heart at ease. The best part is that even though we may be sinful and the temptations may be difficult to overcome, it is possible that we all can have a new status in Christ.
Everyday we struggle with sin. Romans 7:21-23; So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members." Under these conditions how can we be perfect? Accoding to Edward Heppenstall the Biblical perfection doesn't mean perfect as sinlessness but as a "spiritual maturity, full grown spiritually ripe in spiritual understanding, whole in response to god, keeping nothing back. A Perfect Christian is one whose heart and mind are permanently committed to Christ, cannot be moved." He continues on saying that we will not be perfect until we go to heaven. I was reading a book "I used to be perfect a study of sin and salvation" by George R. Knight and his interpretation of Matthew 5:48 "be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect". "Being perfect as the Father is perfect according to verses 43 to 47 means loving (agapao) not only one's friends but one's enemies. Love your eneimies and pray fo rthose who persecute you so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven." Pg.47 "the key New Testament word translated as perfection is teleios the adjective form of telos... which means and end, a purpose, an aim or a goal. People are therefore perfect (teleios) if they fulfill God's purpose for them. The meaning of teleios is not sinless but mature. Mature in his love to both God and other people. The mature commitment lies at the base of biblical perfection." Pg. 75 Edward Heppenstall and George Kight interpreted the verse a bit differently. Both mentions the word percect as a spiritual maturity, but George focused the perfect as love. I agree more toward George Knight's view in perfectness. We need to have the love of God, our neighor and have a perfect relationship with God.
The discussion began with reference to Galatians 5:13, and the summons to liberty found in the Biblical gospel. This concept was stressed in contrast with the doctrine of predestination as traditionally taught by the Augustinian-Calvinist strain in Christian thought.
The order of the saving process as depicted in Romans 8:29-20 was likewise noted. Five steps were reviewed, as listed in this passage: (1) foreknowledge; (2) predestination; (3) calling; (4) justification; and (5) glorification. Sanctification, of course, is not listed here, but elsewhere in Paul’s writings it is plainly included as part of the salvation process (see II Thess. 2:13).
Biblical evidence for each of these phases was discussed and considered. Old Testament examples such as God’s awareness of Jeremiah before he was even conceived (Jer. 1:5), as well as God’s statement to David about what Saul would do to him if he remained in the city of Keilah (I Sam. 23:10-13), give evidence of how God outlines a path for people to follow, describes the consequences which will result if a particular choice is made, while leaving the ultimate choice to the individual.
Predestination is likewise shown, in Paul’s writings, to be God’s intention for His creatures, not only human beings but the entire natural world (Rom. 8:21-22). Humans are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29), but in the end, the choice remains their own (Rev. 22:17).
Reference was also made to one of the best known verses in the book of Romans—chapter 8, verse 28, which speaks of how “all things work together for good to them that love the Lord.” This isn’t saying, of course, that only good things happen to those who love the Lord, only that all things work together for good. Comment was made that using such a verse at the death of a loved one, however well intentioned, may not be the wisest use of God’s Word.
Reference was also made in the discussion to Ellen White statements on the subject of election and predestination. The following statement is written by Ellen White in commentary on the experience of Jacob and Esau, often used by Calvinists as evidence of arbitrary divine election:
“God has set forth in His word the conditions upon which every soul will be elected to eternal life—obedience to His commandments, through faith in Christ. God has elected a character in harmony with His law, and anyone who shall reach the standard of His requirement, will have an entrance into the kingdom of glory. . . . “Every soul is elected who will work out his own salvation with fear and trembling. He is elected who will put on the armor, and fight the good fight of faith. He is elected who will watch unto prayer, who will search the Scriptures, and flee from temptation. He is elected who will have faith continually, and who will be obedient to every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (PP 207-208).
“Wonderful possibilities are provided for every one who has faith in Christ. No walls are built to keep any living soul from salvation. The predestination, or election, of which God speaks, includes all who will accept Christ as a personal Saviour, who will return to their loyalty, to perfect obedience to all God’s commandments” (Gospel Herald, June 11, 1902).
Discussion followed. Reference was made to the twin cases of Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar, as examples of how God hardens and softens the heart based on the reaction of the individual.
Comment was made at this juncture that some believe we won’t sin in the hereafter because we will lose our freedom to choose sin. Inspiration teaches no such thing.
This is one reason why it is so important to understand the Bible truth that sin can and must be fully overcome by the sanctified Christian (see Psalm 119:1-3,11; Rom. 8:4; I Cor. 15:34; II Cor. 7:1; 10:4-5; Eph. 5:27; I Thess. 5:23; I Peter 2:21-22; 4:1; II Peter 3:10-14; I John 1:7,9; 2:1; 3:2-3; Jude 24; Rev. 3:21; 14:5). If Christians stop sinning at death or the second coming of Christ, the question must be asked as to why this has happened, and why not sooner. If the claim is made that because our sinful nature is removed, we no longer sin, the question must be asked how sin got started in the first place—in a place where no one had a sinful nature.
Sin, at the bottom line, is a matter of the will (James 1:14-15), not of an inherited nature. And unless the will is sanctified and consecrated here on earth, to the point where sinful choices are no longer made even under the most adverse of circumstances, sin can just as easily rise in the new earth as in the old.
Reference was again made to body language, as used in Colossians 3:19—how believers are called into one body through the sacrifice and intercession of Christ (see also Heb. 10:14,20).
It was stated at a later point that glorification involves the bestowal of “immutable righteousness.” The transition from sanctification to glorification was dwelt upon significantly. I am concerned about the use of language here.
The change taking place at glorification is not a spiritual one. It is simply the elimination of our fleshly nature and corrupt bodies. The spiritual nature ahs already been fully purified, and sinful choices have long since been banished from the life. Ellen White is extremely clear about this in the following statements:
“When He comes, He is not to cleanse us of our sins, to remove from us the defects in our characters, or to cure us of the infirmities of our tempers and dispositions. If wrought for us at all, this work will be accomplished before that time. When the Lord comes, those who are holy will be holy still. Those who have preserved their bodies and spirits in holiness, in sanctification and honor, will then receive the finishing touch of immortality. But those who are unjust, unsanctified, and filthy, will remain so forever. No work will then be done to remove their sins and give them holy characters. The Refiner does not then sit to pursue His refining process and remove their sins and their corruption. This is all to be done in these hours of probation. It is now that this work is to be accomplished for us” (2T 355, italics original)
“When Christ shall come, our vile bodies are to be changed, and made like His glorious body, but the vile character will not be made holy then. The transformation of character must take place before His coming” (OHC 278).
From what I find in these statements, “immutable righteousness” comes through sanctification, not glorification. The latter simply eliminates the final physical traces of the curse of sin. Sin itself has been vanquished long before.
The discussion closed with talk of justification and freedom, and how the two are related. The fact is that the word for forgiveness in the New Testament is the same as the word for deliverance (see Luke 4:18). This is how Ellen White can say:
“God’s forgiveness is not merely a judicial act by which He sets us free from condemnation. It is not only forgiveness for sin, but reclaiming from sin. It is the outflow of redeeming love that transforms the heart. David had the true conception of forgiveness when he prayed, ‘Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me’ (Psalm 51:10)” (MB 114).
The discussion began with a review of the previous class exchange over sanctuary typology, and how both vertical and horizontal models enable the sanctuary message as taught by Adventists to define the relationship between God and man in the salvation process.
Most of the time in today’s discussion focused on the debate over whether the heavenly sanctuary is literal or symbolic, and the claim that this has been the principal battleground in recent Adventist controversies over the sanctuary message. I in particular raised serious objection to this claim, pointing out that disputes over the nature of the heavenly sanctuary have been consistent precursors to denial of the two-phased ministry of Christ in heaven, with the investigative judgment beginning in 1844.
It was claimed that if we agree that the heavenly sanctuary is both literal and symbolic, we could bring both camps together. A careful review of Adventism’s controversies on this subject offers little hope that this could happen. There is only one reason why the literal nature of the heavenly sanctuary has ever been questioned by certain Adventists, and that is because of their larger objection to the antitypical Day of Atonement beginning at the close of the 2300-day prophecy in 1844, and the implications of this doctrine for the church’s salvation theology. No one makes fun of “celestial geography”—Desmond Ford’s infamous phrase when attacking the sanctuary doctrine in 1979—when someone speaks of the mansions Jesus has gone to prepare for His children (John 14:2). But living in a mansion doesn’t disturb the carnal heart in the same way as a literal sanctuary where judgment is in progress.
No clever use of language can paper over these fundamental differences. Objections to the classic Adventist sanctuary doctrine are not based on disputes over buildings and furniture in heaven, but involve the essence of the doctrine of salvation itself. We are dealing here with principled variances, not semantics.
Certainly there are ways in which the heavenly sanctuary is symbolic as well as literal. One now-deceased Adventist scholar spoke of how, in American politics, the White House and Washington D.C. are often used as respective symbols of the president and government of the United States. But the White House is still a literal building, and Washington is still a literal city.
Before we leave this topic, perhaps it would be helpful to review some of Ellen White’s very strong statements on the literal nature of the sanctuary in heaven:
“Those who were seeking for truth found indisputable proof of the existence of a sanctuary in heaven. Moses made the earthly sanctuary after a pattern which was shown him. Paul declares that that pattern was the true sanctuary which is in heaven. John testifies that he saw it in heaven” (4SP 260-261).
The following statement is even sharper in its content:
“We all need to keep the subject of the sanctuary in mind. God forbid that the clatter of words coming from human lips should lessen the belief of our people in the truth that there is a sanctuary in heaven, and that a pattern of this sanctuary was once built on this earth” (7MR 171).
In the following passage Ellen White warns of deception in the last days on this very point:
“In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith” (CW 53).
The discussion continued with symbolic descriptions of such places as Jerusalem and Palestine as being sanctuaries, and the New Earth also at the end of the great controversy. No one disputes such a varied use of Biblical symbols, to be sure. But the basic differences over the two-phased ministry of Jesus in heaven, and the attendant differences regarding salvation, are not alleviated by the recognition that such terms as sanctuary can have different meanings.
Further observation was shared regarding such debates as that over the humanity of Christ—was Jesus’ nature pre- or post-fall? It was stated that in some ways Jesus’ nature contained both pre- and post-fall elements. Again, no argument. But this doesn’t change the fact that there are fundamental differences regarding this issue among contemporary Adventists, differences not eliminated by new or malleable terminology. Labels by themselves are never adequate to express ideas. Like the labels liberal and conservative, the pre- and post-fall labels regarding Chrstiology don’t tell the whole story. But the differences they represent are nevertheless substantial.
It is a mistake to assume that the substantive controversies of recent times in Adventism can be solved simply by searching for a middle ground. When principles are at stake, new or carefully crafted language cannot alter this reality.
Comment was likewise made regarding an alleged division in the church between persons believing in “Justification alone” salvation and others believing in “sanctification alone” salvation. I wasn’t sure what to make of this, as I know of no one who holds the latter position. Those in the contemporary church who oppose the justification-alone gospel do not hold that sanctification alone constitutes salvation, but that both justification and sanctification form the ground of the believer’s acceptance with God.
The afternoon’s discussion ended with an initial sharing of thoughts on the nature of the atonement and its relation to the cross. More will be shared, I would suspect, on this topic in future class exchanges.
Discussion began with a review of the previous week’s thoughts, including the principle of tota scriptura (the use of the totality of Scripture as the definer of doctrine and practice). Reference was made to Paul'’ statement to Timothy about how from a child he had been taught the Scriptures, which were able to make him “wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus” (II Tim. 3:15). The significance of this verse was noted as regards the fact that the only Scriptures Timothy was taught from his childhood were the Old Testament. Here Paul makes plain that the Old Testament Scriptures support the doctrine of righteousness by faith which he himself teaches.
Considerable time was spent on the analogy between body language and salvation which we find in Paul’s writings. Such verses as Colossians 1:21,22; 2:16,17; Hebrews 8:4,5; 10:20 were cited as evidence for this. These verses indicate that our salvation is accomplished by the bearing of our sins in Christ’s body, and how the rending of that body at Calvary represents our path to the throne of God.
The heavenly sanctuary, of which the earthly was a model, is very much an example of this typology.
Typology, as noted in our discussion, is both vertical and horizontal—the former referring to symbolism which connects man with God, the latter referring to shadows which point to a future fulfillment.
A length digression regarding Colossians 2:16,17 and the Sabbath took place. II Corinthians 3:3 was cited both as a parallel and a paradigm in which to understand Colossians 2, and how Paul in no way is teaching the abolition of the Ten Commandments in general or the Sabbath in particular.
What becomes clear, in passages such as these, is that Paul is addressing two separate but related issues—first, the elimination of the ceremonial law in Christ (of which the Jews needed to be persuaded as a corollary of accepting Jesus as Messiah), and secondly, the more universal problem of ritual piety as a frequent and unacceptable substitute for genuine conversion.
The law, according to Paul’s testimony, is fulfilled by Christ first of all in the sacrifice of His body, and secondly by its fulfillment in the life of believers, who constitute Christ’s body on earth. Such passages as I Timothy 3:16; Ephesians 5:23,28-33 elaborate upon this theme and its significance for the church.
The ultimate, physical salvation of Christ’s body will take place, of course, at the resurrection. Romans 8:21-23 declares that the creation awaits this restoration. I Corinthians 6:19 declares the human body to be the temple of the Holy Ghost when consecrated for God’s purposes. Ephesians 1:22,23 also highlights this metaphor of the church being the earthly body of Christ.
A discussion of predestination closed the class session. Does God predestine all to be saved, or only those who ultimately make the choice for salvation? How does divine foreknowledge affect human free will? Here we see yet further evidence of how the mysteries of the divine plan often boggle human analysis, and need simply to be accepted by faith to await more in-depth exploration in the far beyond.
Doctrine of Salvation Class Discussion September 17, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
Class began with a review of our earlier discussion of the order of salvation as presented in Romans 8:29-30. Comment was offered that while other saving processes, such as repentance and sanctification, are not found in these verses, they are included elsewhere, underscoring yet again the need to consider all of Scripture before doctrinal conclusions are reached.
Emphasis was placed on the fact that sanctification will not cease when sin is fully overcome here on this earth, but will continue throughout eternity. Mention was made of an Ellen White statement which makes this point clear:
“It is your work to advance toward perfection, making constant improvement, until at last you are pronounce worthy to receive immortal life. And even then the work of progression will not cease, but will continue throughout eternity” (IHP 186).
Grace and freedom and their relationship to salvation were also addressed, including the doctrine of irresistible grace and predestination and how this relates to God’s will and our actions.
God’s character was also discussed—the extent to which His character both determines that He will exercise grace, yet leaves Him free either to exercise or not exercise it according to His will.
The question was asked, Is God aiming to frighten us with His power, or to convert us with His character? Do these two processes exist exclusive of one another, or do they interrelate?
Is God’s character one of choice, or beyond His choice?
It was suggested that God Himself practices self-control, thus setting an example for His creatures to do the same.
Thinking further on the question of God’s grace and simultaneous freedom to act or not act, I couldn’t help thinking that all happily married couples are free to get divorced, yet choose not to because they love each other. Their love determines the outcome of the choice they will make, but it does not remove their freedom to make it.
Reflection 7 This week I really enjoyed the article from the Biblical Research Institute. I have always wondered how Biblical perfection worked. This article seemed to be a very good explanation of that. Truly Christian perfection is living daily with Christ, in his shadow. And we don’t have that perfection now, lest any of us boast that we are perfect at following Christ. Instead, we must continue to look to Jesus to not only help us live each day, but to give us salvation at all. Never will we in this life be able to say that we are perfect, without sin, and able to be saved without Jesus. It was good to read about and gain a greater understanding of this very important subject. Romans chapter 7 is also a great chapter. It has always been one of my favorites. It talks about our freedom from the law (though not in those words) with the analogy of marriage, which is a helpful way to look at it. However, our death to the law does not mean that we don’t keep the law. Paul ends the chapter with the fact that He deals with both a wish to do God’s law and a wish to break it. It is a fact that we all live with, but for the Christian the hold that sin has on us is broken by Jesus and He gives us the power each day to follow Him and to be different. The Whiddon chapter on the nature of Christ was interesting. The nature of Christ is something that has been heatedly debated since not long after Christ lived. I appreciated some of the things Ellen White had to say about it. The fact that she constantly verified that it was a mystery that we were not supposed to entirely understand makes me feel better. There are some things, especially about God and his nature that are just beyond our understanding. I believe that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. The section about how Jesus could not totally understand our sinful state because though he had the same nature as us, he did not have the habitual sin added to it was an interesting point that I had never thought of. It makes sense that Jesus could not have the exact same temptation as the person who has been involved in sin so many times before, but the point that his temptation is greater because he had the power to do things that we can never be tempted by, is also true. His temptation was different, but not necessarily less than ours and yet He is still sinless.
Reflection Paper #7 The readings for this week touched on issues that many of us can relate to, because it affects us on a daily basis. The reading from Whidden’s book was very interesting and posed a lot of difficult questions about Christ’s ability to truly understand our struggles considering he was sinless. However, when Whidden surmised his arguments by underscoring the idea that Christ identified with our struggle to “depend upon self rather than divinely imparted power from above” to overcome temptation it brought the balance Ellen White discussed. Furthermore, I was surprised when I read that James White struggled with understanding Trinitarian views. However, I’m glad to see that Ellen White did not allow her husband’s views, and other Adventist ministers, stop her from fervently studying the scriptures, and allowing God to guide, through the power of the Holy Spirit, her understanding of the eternal deity of Christ. Next, I think that Romans 7 is one of the chapters in the Bible that articulates how we, as sinners, feel about our struggle with sin. Most of us who have accepted Jesus Christ as our personally savior desire to do God’s will and live a sinless life, but our desires and our actions are not always in harmony. I am grateful that the Lord can see my heart! In Heppenstall’s article on “perfection,” he mentions that living a sinless life, according to the Bible, is more about spiritual maturity, and I agree. Finally, I now understand clearly why Professor Hanna has stressed to us on many occasions that we need to preach what the Bible teaches even if we do not fully understand it ourselves. Following that principle is starting to make the concepts in this class easier to grasp.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 07 THST 540 – 10/12/08
The theme of Whidden's chapter for this week was the nature of Christ. This is a crucial theme that many of our doctrines evolve from, and I found that it is an important topic to study. After studying this theme, and the many opinions of Seventh-day Adventists theologians, it was good to read a more balanced position from Ellen White. EGW presents a holistic view on the topic. Her writings tend to be misinterpreted by those that defend their own views and opposing arguments by misquoting EGW's writings. This balance, that is in my opinion one hundred percent biblical, places Jesus as Adam before sin but also after sin. As Dr. Hanna referred in class, its not enough to defend only one of the extremes – there are points to consider on both sides, and Jesus' nature is implied in both. Whidden does a remarkable job in this concise chapter. I appreciate his boldness and seeking to balance the perspective of the nature of Christ using EGW's writings. Rodriguez's article on justification was enlightening. He was able to explain on a deeper level the meaning of controversial verses. I appreciated his detailed exegetical explanation of the consequences of Adam's sin. I also enjoyed the careful way in which he establishes the parallel between the consequences of Adam's sin, and Christ's sacrifice. Considering the many anthropological challenges that can arise from these verses, it is a very precise and logical argument. The seventh chapter of Romans is a true gem. First, because it precisely explains the law and how it works. Second, because we can see Paul as a human. He was just like we are – with the same struggles we experience in a daily life to follow God. Its hard to see that same kind of honesty in the Christian body today. He also sets up some leading clues to understand his anthropology, which is very interesting when studied in parallel with the principles of law he refers to here.
While justification and judgment seem to be quite opposite, I agree with Ivan T. Blazen in his article “Is it possible to reconcile Paul's teachings of justification and judgment?” that they can be reconciled. We have been given the power of choice and proper reasoning will always reveal ways of making proper judgment. We cannot expect a fair judgment if we have not reasoned well. God is faithful and ready to reconcile us with him once we avoid excuses to remain in sin. Justification by faith helps to guard the judgment from the false ideas that human beings never will be able to stand in God's judgment or that standing there self-goodness will place God's righteousness under obligation. As Savior, Christ obeyed God for our sake; as Lord, He summons us to obey God for His sake. As Savior, Christ gave His life for us; as Lord, He bids us live for Him. Sometimes the issue of sin is so complicated such we don’t see any hope in salvation. But as much we are confused then Whidden II has put the subject clear through the writings of Ellen G. White. Although born sinful with a lot of guilt, we have every reason to come back to God by reckoning the redeeming power of Christ which is freely given but still abused by Satan and his agent to lure us back again to him.Chapter 5 of Romans presents justification as a free gift and it actually prides the benefits and blessings of justification like peace with God, access and standing in grace and receiving reconciliation. When we have all these then we have no doubt for our salvation.
In the article “How perfect is “Perfect” or is Christian perfection possible” by Edward Heppenstall, I basically agree with him that we cannot claim victory if Christ is not in us. Our sin problem will only be eradicated is Christ’s righteousness is imputed in us. We cannot claim perfection if we don’t recognize his presence always. The saving power of Christ is the only possible to achieve the required perfection and since we have our sinful then we will always strive to achieve. We have fight our sinful nature always by depending wholly in Christ and his righteousness. We must also learn to continue to walk with Holy Spirit so that He can direct our lives as we live in this sinful world.Shall we be reconciled back to Christ again? Whidden II White through Ellen explains that reconciliation is possible through the intercessory prayers of Christ. It also passes through the Cross because Christ made a clear provision for us all to be reconciled back to Him. I agree with Ellen White in seeing the cross as the supreme manifestation of God’s lve to the lost humanity. It is through the gift of the cross that has brought proper atonement to those who are willing. Likewise in Romans 6, Paul illustrates how or old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin. But if we choose sin we shall indeed perish for ever because the wage of sin is death.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 7 THST 540 – 10/14/08
In Romans chapter 7 God promised not only to forgive our sin, but also the power of defeat it. God wonderful grace save us from the condemnation of the law, but it doesn’t save us from the power of its teachings. In Rom 7:12 says that the law is “holy, righteous and good” and if it is broken it condemns us either Christians or heathen , because “sin is lawlessness”.( 1 John 3:4) God gave us the law to keep it and also God promises sufficient “grace to help us in our time of need” (Heb 4:16). We all know that we have broken this law and we are definitely "under" this law, outside only if He forgives us or help us not to brake anymore. Forgiveness and grace is the power that we all need. “Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom” (James 2:12). Although the honest and sincere people are not under the condemnation of the law they are still under the jurisdiction of the law.” Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.” (Revelation 22:14) The chapter from Whidden, s book talks about a very controversial subject, Christ nature, a subject that we will find the answer only in eternity. What surprised me and it surprised me in a very nice way is the position that Ellen White had regarding this subject. Although she could have been influenced by external factors she was very firm in her position. What I understood about Christ nature is that physically He was like us, under the same laws, weak, predisposed to get sick, and under the consequences of aging. But morally, Christ was unlike us, He was bent towards goodness while we are bent towards sin. Ángel Manuel Rodríguez article “Justification and the Cross” gave me an idea about the universal impact of Adam’s sin and Christ’s salvation. Christ death on the cross is a “divine grace” and the purpose of this act was only the human race, and if we want to be saved we must accept this gift.
Our class discussion explored, among other things, the extent to which efforts to reduce the scope of salvation to one or another phase has been the source of controversy in the church. Consensus seemed to build around the idea that the larger the model for this doctrine, the more Biblically accurate our convictions become.
This notion may sound ironic to some, since in modern Adventism it has generally been those with a narrow model of salvation (i.e. justification alone) who have positioned themselves as “open-minded” and allegedly more inclusive. The more this issue is examined, the clearer it becomes—in this observer’s view—for perspectives on broadness and narrowness and similar concepts to be defined by the written counsel of God, not by human opinion or human scholarship or human experience.
Our discussion emphasized, however, the need for growth in understanding and experience to accompany our work and study of the Word.
Considerable time was spent on the distinction between Romans 2:13 (:the doers of the law shall be justified”) and Romans 3:28 (“a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law”). A number of thoughts were shared, including the possibility that Romans 2:13 is not saying that doing the law is the condition of justification, only that those who do the law are in fact justified. Others, including this respondent, stressed that when the whole of Biblical evidence is taken into account, it becomes clear that the “works of the law” excluded by Paul from justifying righteousness are in fact the works of the unrenewed heart, not the outworking of the Holy Spirit in and through the believer.
The issue of assurance arose, as it generally does in controversies on this topic. The question was addressed as to whether the desire for security on the part of certain ones can tend to obscure God’s reverence for free will in the saving process.
Romans & was also briefly touched upon. From this writer’s view, as expressed in class discussion, it is clear this chapter is not simply affirming the very real struggle of the sanctified Christian, but is in fact describing an experience of continual defeat, quite different from how Paul describes the experience of the converted believer elsewhere (see Gal. 5:24; I Cor. 9:27; II Cor. 10:5).
The nature of forgiveness, and of claiming that one is saved, was also discussed. The question again is reduced to whether we permit Inspiration to define these terms, or whether other factors besides inspired counsel are allowed to counterbalance the inspired evidence.
REFLECTION PAPER Doctrine of Salvation Class Discussion: August 27, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
The principal topic of our initial class discussion was one aspect of the definition of salvation. The question was asked, Is salvation:
1. An inheritance 2. A status 3. A state 4. A goal 5. A process
A survey was then taken as to which word best described what the Bible calls salvation. A significant plurality of the class voted that the word process best defined this term.
The discussion that followed covered a number of salvation-related topics, including the theory of some in contemporary Adventism that the whole world was forgiven when Jesus died on the cross. The question was also explored as to whether the “works” excluded by the apostle Paul from the saving process included the work of the Holy Spirit in and through the believer, or only those works performed by humans outside of God’s grace.
Comment was offered by one participant as to what seemed the biased nature of required books for the course, in contrast with the very balanced selection of recommended works which reflected well the current spectrum of thought in Adventism on this subject. It was noted by the objector that the book Ellen White on Salvation, by Woodrow Whidden—one of the course’s required reading assignments—is very much on one side of the current Adventist salvation controversy, while no comparable book from the opposite side was similarly required.
Reflecting further on this exchange, the present writer—who is also the aforementioned objector—holds that the question of the class’s objective may enter into this consideration. If the course is intended to cover the various views on salvation held in modern Adventism, it would seem imperative for the required readings to include a book from the perspective opposite Dr. Whidden’s. If, however, the course is intended to convey a specific conviction—from one side or the other—regarding this topic, a more selective group of required readings should be expected.
In all, the impression of the undersigned regarding the course’s initial class was very positive. I am looking forward to a careful and cordial exploration of issues and evidence throughout the coming semester. The subject in question lies at the core of the great issues presently dividing the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my prayer that a course such as this can uncover the kind of inspired clarity that can enable God’s church—through pastoral and other leadership channels—to find the genuine unity for which our Lord prayed.
Reflection Paper 7 THST 540 10/15/08 David Hamstra
In class we discussed salvation in terms of freeing the body from sin. We looked at this from the spectrum of body imagery: body, church, and creation. We also discussed this in relation to foreknowledge.
In Romans 7 Paul explains the relation of the law to the new life in the Spirit: just as the new life in the Spirit requires a death to the flesh, so also freedom from the condemnation from the law requires a death to the flesh (v. 4). That the law condemns us to death does not mean there is a problem with the law but rather with our inability to keep it (vv. 12-13). This inability is a result of a war between our flesh and the Spirit (vv. 14-25).
I though that BRI document I read did a good job of explaining the scripture passages on perfection that it dealt with. Its major weakness was in not addressing other scripture passages that talk about achieving perfection.
In the chapter from Whidden he dealt with the nature of Christ, a tall order from one chapter, however it was the best chapter length treatment of the subject I am aware of. He did not try to split the hairs but stuck to the important, even if paradoxical, details that matter. Perhaps we would be better off sticking with those points and leaving the rest to eternity.
Reflections paper: Week Seven Comments on the article "The Dynamics of Salvation”, “Justification by Faith-Before 1888”
This article was on the findings of a committee which was set up to address our church’s deep theological problems, how to understand the plan of Salvation being one. They came up with a few points, which revealed our need as human beings, in light of Salvation. Humanity is in a hopeless situation until we realize our need to connect with God. “We are rebels at heart and rebels in deed, alienated from God and from each other.” We stand condemned in the sight of God because of our sinfulness and rebelliousness. We don’t understand our true selves, and we are alienated from the created world we live in, resorting to exploitation of it instead of careful dominion. God, in His love stepped in with a divine remedy for our hopeless state through the gift of His son Jesus Christ, that Savior of the world. All that’s left for us is to accept the grace of God, Salvation by faith and live our lives in accordance to his will, in appreciation of His love. After accepting his merits of Salvation, we are granted a new status in life. We can now stand justified in his presence, reconciled to our God through the blood of Jesus. We stand forgiven and adopted as children of the living King and go through the process of sanctification in preparation for the life to come with our King. This results in a new life in Christ, characterized by growth into the similitude of His nature. This was the essence of their findings. Chapter 9 in Whidden’s book discussed Ellen White’s view of Justification before 1888. He highlights the point that she “taught a powerfully objective doctrine of justification, but one that does not tolerate willful, premeditated, easy-come easy-go attitudes toward sin.” She supported the biblical view that we are not saved in our sins, but from our sins, which was one of the several key elements of her teachings. She further solidified it with the teaching that faith and works were never separated. She also strongly challenged the Calvinistic idea of the assurance of salvation, citing that “Those who accept Christ, and in their first confidence say, I am saved, are in danger of trusting to themselves.” For her, justification by faith was closely related to a proper attitude on the part of believer toward sin, God’s requirements, and His merciful attitude toward the faithful. Our class discussion was on freedom, showing that God called us to freedom and that Rom 8, when viewed in full context is based on this aspect of freedom. The steps in Salvation, foreknowledge, predestination, calling, Justification and glorification are all to be understood in light of this freedom. We were predestined to be free, and the same applies to all the other steps.
Reflection Paper#7 (Week Ending October 11, 2008) (Sheldon Smith) In Romans chapter7, it would seem that Paul is illustrating the concept of the ten commandment law under the new covenant. He seeks to establish the spirituality of the law in light of the new covenant. The struggle he finds himself in is the struggle that all humans confront at some point in time if not for a lifetime. The constant antagonism between doing what is right vs what is wrong. However, despite the continuous conflict between the flesh and the Spirit, Paul seeks to align himself and encourages others that the law can be kept through the spiritual experience in a believer’s life. As it relates to Edward Heppenstall’s document on how perfect is perfect, it made an interesting reading. What I particularly liked about it was the fact that God pronounced perfection on individuals that we would count as imperfect in our books. It therefore means that when Jesus told us to be perfect as His Father his perfect, it would seem to be a level of spiritual maturity in the sense that the Christian is spiritual conscious of God’s righteousness and his/her filthiness and daily reconciles his or her relationship with Christ. I also noted that despite the teaching in various circles that perfection can be achieved during a lifetime, Heppenstall points out that this is impossible since man would tend to want to boast or be proud about his or her perfection. The Christian’s only claim to perfection is Christ’s work of righteousness in his or her behalf. Total perfection will come when “this mortal shall put on immortality.” Consequently, while we are in the body of sin, our Spiritual nature will continually fight the sinful tendencies that come our way as we seek to gain ultimate perfection. In chapter 8 of his book, Whidden points out that even though her contemporaries and fellow believers subscribed to the Arianistic view of Christ’s nature, Ellen White took a firm position in maintaining that Christ was fully God yet fully man and that he pre-existed with the father.
Name: Rosana Joel Ref Paper 7 Salvation by Faith by Rodriguez
Salvation by faith is one of the many themes that are misrepresented in the globe of Christianity. Paul clearly states, “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.” Ellen G. White nails the point home by saying, “No one can be justified by any works of his own. He can be delivered from the guilt of sin, from the condemnation of the law, from the penalty of transgression, only by virtue of the suffering, death, and resurrection of Christ.” The theme that ties the process of salvation according to what Rodriguez is proposing is faith. It is awesome how he has differentiated the objective and subjective facets of faith. The description of the objective part of is awesome, “it has to do with information and data that lie outside my person and my experience.” Implying that faith sees the invisible and then embraces it, for instance believing that Christ died, rose and he is interceding for us in heaven. The subjectivity of faith is that of informed knowledge. We now can believe in what we have been informed as Rodriguez structures it. “This means that as far as our spiritual life is concerned, we are prepared to let go of all other structures of security, pronounce them invalid, and turn to Christ alone. At this stage our good works, our successes, and our score sheets do not matter. Only one thing does: belief in Jesus Christ.” The combination of the two gives us this summary, viewing faith not just the recognition and knowledge of an event outside of ourselves, namely, God's accomplishment in Christ on the cross. We see it also as the subjective act of turning to Christ in trust and submission, declaring the filthiness of our own garments. Our salvation is only complete if we apply the double principle of faith correctly. So often is the subjective part that is taken, leaving the subjective part out. Salivation is a complete process in God if and only we grasp the truth about it. Mrs. White uncovers this truth when she said, "It is not enough to believe about Christ; we must believe in Him. The only faith that will benefit us is that which embraces Him as a personal Savior; which appropriates His merits to ourselves." Assurance is offered to all who may want to give up due to challenges experienced in the journey of salvation by faith. Again Rodriguez uses Ellen G White to advance his case, "The nearer we come to Jesus, and the more clearly we discern the purity of His character, the more clearly shall we see the exceeding sinfulness of sin, and the less shall we feel like exalting ourselves." We are more assured to remain in Christ as the battle toughens and at the end of it all we shall be overcomers in Christ Jesus.
In his article Rodriguez gives detailed and excellent exegesis through numerous problem passages in Romans dealing with the justification of humanity. He skillfully discusses the universality of death and the Law. He concludes that according to the Bible Adam’s sin was disobedience to an express command given by God, which resulted in the entrance of sin and death into the world. Connecting this with another idea streaming throughout the paper he goes on to say that it is obvious that the sin of Adam is not considered to be the sin of all, even though the consequence of Adam's sin affected all. Adam’s sin brought death with it which in turn caused a separation between humanity and God. While I agree with this conclusion I couldn’t help but ask how this interpretation affects our anthropology? In other words, with this emphasis that humanity is totally separated from God (which I don’t disagree with) I wonder how we view man’s depravity? Is it total or something else? If total then it leads to Calvin’s deterministic predestination. If not then humanity has some goodness to impart to it’s on salvation perhaps. I need clarification on this. In Whidden’s writing I was really impressed with balanced view Ellen White had about the atonement of Christ, seeing Christ’s “high priestly” ministry as an immortalizing of “Calvary.” This is important for Adventist’s. We have a unique view of the atonement because of the sanctuary message that can be spread throughout the globe. People can be assured that Christ is still ministering and serving their needs through this ministry. I think that its something that needs to be proudly shared with the world. This extended and holistic view of the atonement is Adventism’s primary contribution to Christianity. Romans 7 is vintage Paul at his best carefully describing the biblical perspective of the law. The law reveals what sin is to a person. Yet he doesn’t stop there. He goes on to explain that sin took advantage of this reality in the law, deceives humanity, and leads to death. This is a very important theological point. Is it the law that leads to death? No, sin that is revealed in the law deceives human beings. Thus the law is holy and perfect.
I agree with that the agony described in Roman chapter 7 is not only for Paul but “all humans.” And they “confront at some point in time if not for a lifetime.” Because there is agony in chapter 7 we can have joy in chapter 8. And I’m glad that you said “The Christian’s only claim to perfection is Christ’s work of righteousness in his or her behalf.” We pastors often forget this and try to put ourselves in the center of righteousness. But we have nothing for that.
Roman 7 the Apostle clearly stressed that while the law cannot save man from sin but the law is holy, just and good. Paul is in agony over the reality of humanity; sinful human nature is getting the best of man with all tendencies towards evil. But he is thankful for Jesus who saves him and enables him to serve the law of God. It interesting that Paul does not referred to the law as something that causing him death but it is sin that becomes clearer because of the law (v12 & 13). There are Christians who used this passage to nullify God’s law but the Apostle appealed to the law as spiritual. Whidden’s in chapter 8 describe Ellen White’s understanding the Nature of Christ and Salvation. Its amazing how very early in the movement of the Seventh-day Adventist, Ellen White was sound on this complicated and debatable doctrine. She was able to hold on the reality of Christ as God during the time of Arianism who denied the Lordship of Jesus. It is important for Adventist to understand Ellen White understands on Christology doctrines. I think she is well balanced on this view, seeing the reality of Christ humanity that He had lived a human life and identified with our sorrow and struggles but He did not commit any sin. I enjoyed reading the Biblical Research Institute article on the “DYNAMICS OF SALVATION” which revealed the broad view of Salvations. The effect of sin on man’s status in relationship with God, with people and with nature is so devastated but God took the initiatives and searched for man. But more than just a search, when He found him, He gave him what he doesn’t deserve. This is wonderful news and I believed everyone must bonder on the reality of sin and the marvelous grace of God. We all must have a willing heart to allow God to reign supreme in our lives for He had sought us and found us and abundantly He blesses us. The various dynamics of salvation in this article was a blessing for me. Our class this week was enjoyable and eye opening on the reality of FREEDOM in all aspects of Salvation. We had discussed how God’s foreknowledge, God’s predestination, God’s calling and God’s justification of man reflected FREEDOM as they are presented in body languages. This is true of God and His grace, this is what salvation is all about. God’s grace upon man that free him from the bondage of sin and he is free indeed.
Reflection 8 This week I really enjoyed reading Whiddon’s chapter on justification by faith. It showed that Ellen White’s views were very balanced. I liked the section where he talked about the Christian experience being “a constant looking away from self and a continuous, conscious dependence on Christ’s acceptance and power. “ It makes it necessary for a continual experience with Christ throughout our lives. We never get good enough by being saved through Jesus to stand on our own. We can never trust partly to God and partly to ourselves. There is no room for legalism. But that does not throw out the need for the law or our obedience. It is both reassuring and a reminder that we cannot have the that saving trust in Christ without a daily abiding, trusting relationship with him. I also appreciated the explanation of justification and the analysis of Romans 5:12-21. It helped me understand that section, which we read a few weeks ago. The things that helped me included his explanation of verse 13 about why Paul addressed the idea of sin between Adam and the law being given. If we all had a part of the sin of Adam, this argument would not be needed. But since we only received the sinful nature and experience of death reigning because of Adam it was important to show that sin did not come as a result of the law, otherwise the people between Adam and Moses would not have sinned and should not have died, but that sin is not because of the law, so they still actively sinned. All people have actively sinned and so each of us deserves death and each of us needs salvation. That salvation has been provided, but I like the sentence “Grace is not an enslaving power that enters into the world and makes all people subject to its power. This is rather a characteristic of sin and death.” God provides the opportunity for salvation for all, but he guards our freedom, while Satan and sin do not guard our freedom but take us captive. I love Romans chapter 8. There are so many things that Paul touches on in this chapter that it is hard to pick out the best or even the biggest thing. I think the thing that struck me this time is that our relationship to God is one of obligation, and yet that obligation is the obligation of a child to a father because of all the father has done for the child. It is a beautiful picture of salvation and obedience.
All of this week’s material is about justification. In the class, we talked about the order of salvation especially the relationship between justification and sanctification. I personally enjoyed the discussion in the class because I could see the relationship more clearly. The article by Rodriguez deals with justification and the cross and I think similar subject was dealt with several weeks ago so this theme was not quite new to me but still he underscored different points so I could enjoy them. I liked the phrase “the sin of Adam brought separation from God-spiritual – and physical death as the consequences of sin.” Because of sin, we must die physically and spiritually but Christ restored the both deaths on the cross. So the conclusion of this issued verse is that “in fact what Christ did was greater, larger in its context and power than what Adam did.” I totally agree with his conclusion. Ellen White of course emphasized justification by faith but the thing that I could learn from her was the attitudes toward sin. When people hear of justification by faith they usually do not take sin seriously. But sin is still our main enemy. So we need balance. I think I thought like others that I didn’t take sin seriously when I talked about faith. In Rome 8, I found the joy and happiness of whom have assurance of salvation. Verse 37 says, “but in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.” Even though we cannot get saved only with assurance I want to have that joy and assurance in Christ.
Mora and more I study about salvation and the order of salvation, I become more confused and have more questions than answers. In class our unknown sins are justified until it is made known to us, but in the Old Testament we are responsible for all sins even for the unknown sins we committed. Were their belief wrong?
Angel Rodriguez emphasized that because of his (Adam)sin death took hold of every person both physically and spiritually.
Paul states that as a result of Adam's sin, all (all the people) are born spiritually dead. But Ch8:10 "but if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness and if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you.
Even though we are doom to die and born into this earth spiritually dead, if we set our mind on Christ, let the Spirit control our mind, let it intercede, let it help in our weakness, the Christ's death on the cross becomes meaningful in our lives. It can be meaningful because "Through Christ God provided enough grace to save the whole human race since the time of Adam to the end of mercy.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 08 THST 540 – 10/20/08
In chapter 9 of Whidden's book, we start to see the unveiling of a new and deeper discussion. As we approach the final chapters on perfection, we find here an introduction to justification. I agree with Whidden's conclusions, and I think they are a solid and extremely important base in order to understand perfection. The life and sacrifice of Christ is deprived of all value if we don't consider it to be the redemption factor of a human being. It sounds like a very obvious concept, but we neglect it by not accepting the practical meaning of it – our Justification. I was amazed to see how Whidden was able to capture so vividly ideas that are becoming forgotten. Being justified doesn't mean we can sin purposefully, it is not cheap grace. It just means we will be covered for when we do sin, which is bound to happen as we are sinful beings. We cannot loose our sinful nature, but we can live with the attitude that leads towards that goal, for Jesus justified us and granted us the possibility of having that exact attitude. We must strive to work on ourselves, so that we are always trying to be just a little bit better each day. The BRI document by Blazen brings up a discussion on a challenging method: integration of all the doctrines. I agree with Blazen when he confirms that we need a larger framework that integrates all our doctrines, and more importantly, that seeks to correlate all of them. I believe such task would be successfully accomplished under the framework of the Redemption Plan. In Romans 8, Paul writes some of the most reaffirming words of the entire Scripture. Its just comforting to read this chapter knowing what Paul went through. Romans 8, besides stating clear points about Jesus' nature and justification, he summarizes the amazing hope that the Redemption Plan brings us with Jesus' victory on the cross.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 8 THST 540 – 10/22/08
In chapter nine from Whidden book is presented the subject of justification by faith before 1888. The problem with justification by faith is the extremes which we take. We emphasize to much the justification by faith alone and we see salvation “in the sin” not “from the sin” or we emphasize too much justification by works and we become legalistic. Between faith and works there is a connection, both of them are coming together and they are never separated. We are not justified by any good works that we perform, but our faith in Jesus Christ will produce good works to the glory of God. We are saved only accepting merits of Christ life and death. From Ángel Manuel Rodríguez article I understood that forgiveness for my past sins is possible because of the divine disgust toward sin which is revealed in the death of Jesus Christ and it is not only Jesus death involved in justification but also the obedience to Christ. The purpose of justification is to bring peace and harmony between repentant sinner and God. In Romans chapter 8 verse 39 I found the most beautiful thought that nothing “ill be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” God has loved us even as He loved Christ for He loved us in Him. In chapter 8 I have found the most peaceful thought that God is for us, thought that fills my amazed and grateful heart more and more.
Today’s discussion once again reviewed Romans 8:29-30, and the use of body language by the New Testament relative to salvation.
The “braking off “ and “grafting in” of Romans 22 was then addressed, and the relation of this metaphor to the “once saved, always saved” doctrine was noted.
Discussion focused briefly on I Thessalonians 5:23, and how our bodies and spirits are to be preserved blameless unto the coming of the Lord. Romans 6:19-22 was explored as evidence that yielding to righteousness brings freedom. Sanctification and its relation to yielding and liberty was also discussed, and how the holiness of the faithful is developed through choice.
Romans 3:23 was noted as the basis of the doctrine of justification, since the fact that “all have sinned” makes forgiveness necessary for all who have thus chosen.
The issue of perfection was then introduced, and how the connection between imputed and imparted righteousness affects one’s view of perfection and what it might mean. Comment was made, based on Ellen White’s clear statements, that the forgiving aspect of justification is intended for past sins only. Ellen White, in fact, is quite clear about this in the following statements:
“Christ bears the penalty for man’s past transgressions, and by imparting to man His righteousness, makes it possible for man to keep God’s holy law” (6BC 1092).
“Christ, coming to the earth as man, lived a holy life, and developed a perfect character. These He offers as a free gift to all who will receive them. His life stands for the life of men. Thus they have remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God” (DA 762).
“There is no way back to innocence and life except through repentance for having transgressed God’s law, and faith in the merits of the divine sacrifice, who has suffered for your transgressions of the past; and you are accepted in the Beloved on condition of obedience to the commandments of your Creator” (ST Dec. 15, 1887).
The question then arose whether sins of ignorance, which Ellen White clearly says must be handled by the heavenly Mediator (EW 254), are forgiven in advance. The fact is that Inspiration offers no evidence of sins of any kind forgiven in advance. While God knows the future, the free will of the human agent is fully preserved in the saving process, so that choices of any kind are not held to account until they are made.
One point of significant confusion in this discussion seemed to revolve around the distinction between sin and matters of lesser indulgence. Comment was offered about people eating eggs, etc, and whether they should consider themselves sinners when they do such things. The counsel of the Spirit of Prophecy is very clear about degrees in health reform and in many reforms, and makes it plain that not all indulgences to be shunned should be categorized as sinful. Of course, the believer who seeks to demonstrate the glory of God to its fullness in the final generation is not interested in “minimum requirement” salvation, but in bringing what Christ called “an hundredfold” to the glory of God.
The class closed with an excellent presentation by Kolia Afamasaga on the doctrine of “once saved, always saved.” This doctrine teaches, of course, that once a person is saved, he can never be lost, even if he curses Jesus and becomes an atheist. The false notion assumed by this doctrine is that if salvation can be lost through behavior, the result will be self-righteousness. Such a premise fails to consider that the Biblical remedy for self-righteousness is conversion, not salvation apart from obedience.
It was further pointed out that this doctrine misunderstands which Scripture teaches about predestination, and that Biblical examples of Christians falling away were ignored. Bible verses such as Eze. 18:24; 33:18; Heb. 6:4-6; and Rev. 3:11 offer the clearest Biblical evidence that it is possible to lose one’s salvation.
The “umbrella” theory of justification was also discussed, and how it lacks Biblical support.
In conclusion, Kolia’s presentation demonstrated that the “once saved, always saved” doctrine is false, without support in the Word of God.
Gerard Vertilus 10/22/08 Reflection on salvation Last week discussion was focus on justification, freedom, imputed and imparted righteousness, sanctification, glorification, yielding to Christ and fruit. Our main text was roman 3:22; it talks about righteousness of God through faith in Christ Jesus. The teaching of this passage is the good news that Jesus died for our sin and was raised so that through his death we can have newness of life. His resurrection has set us free from sin. The world is no longer under the guilt of sin, no one has to still stay under the dominion of slavery, because Christ give the world and option either to choose to reject sin and walk with Christ or still continue to live in sin. No one can serve two master at the same time, as the bible declare, either you stick to one or embrace the other. As we know that the wages of sin is death, by choosing Christ we choose to have eternal life. Ellen White stated that when Christ was on earth he did not use his divine nature for his entire ministry on earth: he rather used most of the time his human nature so that we can copy from him. So that we may not have any excuses, he was tempted in many things just like us. He knows what it means to be tempted; he overcomes temptation not by his own power but by God’s power through the Holy Spirit. Paul goes further in roman to say that we must not living according to the flesh but by the power of the Holy Spirit, for the flesh cannot please God. Not only God set us free from sin, He also give us the Spirit so that we can stay in connection with Him, the Spirit testifies of Him with our spirit that we are children of God. The Spirit gives us hope, and the main purpose of this hope is to give us understanding of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. This is our only way of salvation.
Vertilus Gerard Comment on Laurentiou Roman, I agree with Laurentiu on his reflection, he mentioned that salvation is receiveing by faith through obedient. He also say that by reading chapter 8 of roman when Paul said that the love of God through Christ, which provide salvation and reconcile us with the Father and give us peace.
the only thing I will sugest him to think again is that "salvation in the sin not from the sin" that need to explain clearer.
Reflection Paper#8 (Week Ending October 18, 2008) (Sheldon Smith) Paul in Romans 8 speaks about the all-inclusive ministration of the Holy Spirit. His writing removes all barriers that carnal thinking individuals and “law abiders” would want to set up. He climaxes the chapter with a classical comforting scripture on the fact that “nothing can separate us from the love of Jesus.” Regarding Justification by faith before 1888, I like the stand Ellen White took against the Calvinistic belief of “once saved always saved” since it gives the impression that the believer no longer has a need for Christ’s working in his or her life. She backs this up by stating that faith will never save unless it is justified by works, which means to me as we have been discussing in class since the semester that salvation is not static but on the contrary, is very dynamic. I also like the statement she made in 1870 where she stated that, “the "merits" of Christ make the "efforts" of believers "to keep His law" acceptable to God.” It just goes to show that even our best efforts in being perfect without Christ’s righteousness is unacceptable to God. From the BRI, Rodriguez in my opinion did a great exegetical work of Romans 5:12-21 where he addresses the issues regarding justification on the cross. I particularly liked the way he utilized the Greek language in clarifying the ongoing issues regarding whether or not all humanity sinned in Adam. I think for the most part, the article makes a great reading particularly to the theologically inquisitive mind.
"And so he condemned sin in in sinful man" This is important to understand for it mirrors John 3:17 "for God did not send his sone into the world to condemn the world, but to save it through him." God did for us what the original sacrifice could not do. That is so powerful. If there was not any other reason to follow Christ (which there is) that would be sufficient in my opinion. Following the one that died for me, seems like a pretty good idea!
As a hospital Chaplain I have used Romans 8:18 many times when dealing with those that search for a light at the end of the tunnel. (I'm not making a reference to near death hospital experiences) One of the questions that all mankind will ask or has already asked is why there is suffering. Even though the answer is simply because there is SIN in the world, people aren't really comforted by that, for they clearly know it already. What people need is to find comfort in what they are experiencing. Romans 8:18 gives this comfort. Paul has experienced so much suffering and pain, and yet he states emphatically that that same suffering can't compare to the grace that will be revealed in us. Then move down to verse 26 which not only gives us comfort, but we find that we are not alone in our struggle but the spirit helps us in our weakness. TO know that we are not alone is what we all need! If you think you have everything under control, try being admitted into the hospital for a couple weeks. Sometimes that is what it takes for some to be humbled and reach out for someone to help in their undeniable weakness and true loneliness. To be that humble and genuine is a place we need to be, for that is where we understand the power and importance of a Savior. Romans 8:38 sums it all up. Nothing can separate us from the love of God. Amen, Praise God.
Romel Charles Wednesday, October 8, 2008 Reflection # 6
The class discussion this week was centered on the idea of “sanctuary” and how it is intertwined within the context of body theology. We looked at some different sanctuaries that are illumined in scripture and how there is a heavenly and earthy antitype and type to each of them. Looking at Romans 6, Paul talks about the fact that we should not let sin reign in our mortal bodies so that we obey its evil desires as well as to not offer any part of ourselves to sin as an instrument of wickedness. I believe that this is very important because Paul realizes the battle that is being fought over this sanctuary, in the frame of our bodies. Sin cannot have dominion over our sanctuaries unless we give it dominion. The article “The Dynamics of Salvation” it goes into the rudimentary elements of salvation such as Humanity's Desperate Need, The Divine Initiative, The Human Response to Grace, The New Status in Christ, The New Life in Christ, and The Consummation. In Whidden’s book, Ellen White on Salvation, Sin was defined “as both acts of transgressing God’s will and a condition of depravity that involves inherited sinful “propensities,” “inclinations,” “tendencies,” and a “bent” to sin.” The Calvinistic logic says that, “Sinners are so deranged and depraved by sin that they cannot even respond to God’s redemptive initiative.” Calvin’s logic although logical seemed contrary to the Bible because in Romans 6 Paul makes the argument that “we should not let sin reign in our mortal bodies so that we obey its evil desires” wile Calvin says that, “we cannot even respond to God’s redemptive initiative.” If this were the case then why would Paul even tell the Romans to try if it made no sense. We need to understand that the sanctuary as a whole, including the body is under attack and we need to continue to do our part in the battle the best way we can.
Romel Charles Reflection # 7 Wednesday, October 15, 2008
In Edward Heppenstall’s article “How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible?” he makes a powerful statement saying, “God's method of salvation is not eradication of a sinful nature, but the counteraction of divine power through the Holy Spirit. Only by the continual counteracting presence of the Holy Spirit is it possible to be victorious over sin and the sinful nature within us.” It is from this one statement that we can see the connection with Romans 7:18-20, when the battle within our sanctuary (Body Theology) is made evident. “For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not. For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise. But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.” Although it may seem that the battle may be over because even Paul struggled and he was a great man then how can we be any better? But the truth of the matter is that there is a hopeful expectation that is waiting for us to grasp. It is not through our own struggle or efforts is there victory but it is through Jesus Christ. This is made evident in verses 24 and 25 “Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” It is only through Jesus and the power through the Holy Spirit that any victory be one. Chapter 7 of “Ellen White on Salvation” Whidden goes over atonement and it is tied in to this theme of perfection because it connects the understanding of Christ’s work in the Most Holy Place interceding on our behalf to have the power to make it through the trials and battles that are occurring in our bodies.
Reflections paper: Week Eight Comments on the article “Justification and the Cross” by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez
I thought this was a good exegetical study of Rom 5: 12-21. The main point was to argue that when Adam sinned, we did not sin with him, even though we are said to have been in him, being the father of mankind, but inherited the results of that sin, a weakened nature and death. And it was also through the righteousness of one man, Jesus Christ that we all receive the gift of justification, grace through faith, leading to salvation. Another point was made for those who teach that we sinned with Adam in the beginning, which would mean that we are also responsible for our salvation, since the bible teaches that we died in with Him in death for our sins. That would challenge the sole salvific work of Christ. Christ saved us in the same way that Adam sold us into sin, meaning that we are beneficiaries to what they did, and not participant in their actions. It is by grace, through faith, that we are saved. The reading in Whidden’s book was a little confusing to me. I could not really understand his view on Ellen White’s position on the 1888 issue, involving Jones and Waggoner. He talked about times when she supported Jones and Waggoner’s method but also alludes to some wrong in that message. I’m yet to understand where he is coming from and what the issues are. Our always enlightening class discussion this time was on Justification. We discussed the fact that Justification is not once and for all and that one cannot be cut off. It is necessary because all have sinned and are in need of redemption. We saw that we can never really understand Justification or appreciate it in its fullness if we don’t understand the sin problem. Our sin has separated us from God and we cannot be saved in it. God devised a way and that was through Christ. So He imputed Justification is when God declared us righteous through Christ and imparted Justification/righteousness is the process of sanctification. I’m always thankful for our class discussions and appreciate studying the bigger model of Salvation.
In regard to what we have been tackling in class, [foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, sanctification and glorification] Paul in Romans 8, sums up the topic by posing a question, “what, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?” These questions make broadens our view of salvation far beyond what we think. It is not about not doing anything or salvation is obvious, but that as we journey through the difficult times we should remember that God has done it and our part is to be steadfast. We are not only destined for good, but strengthened in times of uncertainties. Paul describe the scenario by illustrating what might makes us separate from God – neither life or death, nor demons or angels nor present or future will displace us from the love of eternal God. The fact that we have been assured of the eternal life gives us the assurance that no matter what we encounter on our journey of Christianity, we are grounded in a safe basement – Jesus our savior. When Paul assures his readers those who have been foreknow ledged, predestined, called, justified, sanctified, and glorified, about the plan of God, he was strengthening them of the uncertainties that were to meet them in the present and the future. As I was going forth and back in this chapter I discovered one vital aspect about salvation, God is in the business of making sure that we are saved, by fully providing us the necessary tool – Jesus.
In regard to what we have been tackling in class, [foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, sanctification and glorification] Paul in Romans 8, sums up the topic by posing a question, “what, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?” These questions make broadens our view of salvation far beyond what we think. It is not about not doing anything or salvation is obvious, but that as we journey through the difficult times we should remember that God has done it and our part is to be steadfast. We are not only destined for good, but strengthened in times of uncertainties. Paul describe the scenario by illustrating what might makes us separate from God – neither life or death, nor demons or angels nor present or future will displace us from the love of eternal God. The fact that we have been assured of the eternal life gives us the assurance that no matter what we encounter on our journey of Christianity, we are grounded in a safe basement – Jesus our savior. When Paul assures his readers those who have been foreknow ledged, predestined, called, justified, sanctified, and glorified, about the plan of God, he was strengthening them of the uncertainties that were to meet them in the present and the future. As I was going forth and back in this chapter I discovered one vital aspect about salvation, God is in the business of making sure that we are saved, by fully providing us the necessary tool – Jesus.
The Apostle Paul in Roman 8 uses body language to bring the good news of freedom from standing condemned before God. It is all because of what Jesus did, and those who are in Christ, decides “not to walking in the flesh,” but in the “Spirit.” The Apostle made the distinction between those who claimed to be saved and live according to God’s will and those who also claimed to be saved but living own lifestyle. One of the interesting portions of this chapter is the Apostle’s inclusion of the entire creation to the fate of sin and the eagerness of what is to come. This showed the seriousness of sin, not only it affected human but the entire creation as well. However, God predestined us through His grace to be saved; and as we battle with our human nature and tendencies to evil; we are reminded in the closing part of the chapter, there is nothing that can “separated us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Though we fall short of His standards but Christ righteousness enabled us to be called His sons and daughters. Whidden in chapter 9 highlighted Ellen White’s position on Justification by faith before 1888 saga. I find this very interesting and it’s a true confirmation of her called as the Lord’s messenger. Taking that position during the time of Wesley’s emphasis on perfection and Galvin’s teaching on Eternity assurance showed that God gave her the message that rooted in Scripture. Ellen White’s view on justification is balanced, while human relied on the merit of Christ for salvation but there is also a response of love by living in the life of the “spirit” as highlighted by the Apostle Paul. Our being justified by faith does not excuse sin but Christ righteousness enables us to live according to His will. BRI article “How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible?” by Edward Heppenstall on perfection is rightly claimed that there is no human perfection because of our sinful nature. It is only Jesus’ perfect righteousness is our only possibility to live like Christ. Many people who tried to live life without sin and claimed to be perfect. But Isaiah clearly stated that our “righteousness” our very best is like “filthy rags” [Is 64: 6]. This perfect righteousness of Christ can be ours in our accepting of His sacrifice for our sins. And when we live in Christ, His spirit enables us to do His will in our lives. All these readings ties in together with our Class discussion this week where the focus was on the issue of perfection and was connected to Ellen White’s comments on imputed righteousness. The readings of Whidden’s book and Heppenstall’s article answered the question and are inline with the class discussion as we continue to see different aspects of salvation and determine a bigger model for salvation.
In class we have been working with the (F, P, C, J, G) model of Salvation as found in our reading assignment this week, Romans 8. For weeks we have been laboring to discover a more holistic perspective on salvation, a perspective that is big enough (as Doc loves to say) that can contain all that God has revealed to us. In class today I asked about where the Adventist doctrine of the sanctuary fits into this model? It just seemed a natural question since in one since we as Adventists believe that Christ’s atonement was achieved on the across while at the same time believing that his atoning ministry continues in the Heavenly Sanctuary as seen in the sanctuary services (daily and day-of atonement ministry). Yet (as I’m sure some of you have already discovered), the answer is embedded in just a few verses below our focus in Rom 8:34. Paul indicates that no one can condemn those who have been chosen by God (by this he means those who have taken advantage of the foreknowledge and predestination of God) because Christ is interceding on their behalf before the Father. This is clear sanctuary language illustrated by Paul. The knowledge that Jesus Christ is interceding on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary with his blood gives the believer a deep re-assurance of their salvation because it even further demonstrates Christ’s love. This goes along with our understanding of the sanctuary which if understood correctly is defiantly about assurance (although not entirely). Just thought I’d share this insight, it came while reading the assignments.
Reflection Paper #8 When I started off my week with reading Romans 8, I was delighted. I was very familiar with the chapter and its contents as it relates to the various components of salvation. The discussions in class helped a great deal. Last week we expanded our model of salvation and explored what it really means to have faith. As a result, we concluded that faith is dead if there are no fruits of faith found in the prophesying individual. Secondly, I enjoyed reading Rodriguez’s article. His article was very informative, and the analysis was very detailed and complete. However, I started to wonder why many have accepted that sin entered the world through Adam and not Lucifer. Once Satan misused his freedom, sin entering this world was inevitable. Next, I was unable to distinguish between “all sinned when Adam sinned” and “Adam’s sin imputed to us.” Both phrases have the same outcome; therefore, I’m not sure why there is so much attention paid to the phrases described above. In addition, I asked myself why Eve doesn’t get as much blame for the fall of man compared to Adam. Eve was the first to take the fruit, and she gave the fruit to her husband, but Adam is the one recorded in History as cause of man’s fall. Finally, Whidden’s discussion on assurance continues to affect us today. I share his concerns for those and agree with him when he discusses the harm in saying “I am saved.” As we grow in grace (daily) God will reveal how sinful we really are. As a result, we’ll have a greater need and desire to repent.
Romel Charles Wednesday, October 22, 2008 Reflection #8
In chapter eight of “Ellen White on Salvation” Whidden dives into the topic of “The Nature of Christ and Salvation” and he quotes one of the wisest statements that can be made about the nature of Jesus. It says, “Man cannot define this wonderful mystery - the blending of the two natures... It can never be explained.” Personally I believe that one of the signs of a wise minister is to say that “I do not know” when they don’t fully understand a topic and this is what Mrs. White said it the above quote. No matter how much we argue concerning the nature of Christ there will always be opposition because we are finite beings and cannot fully comprehend the things of God. We just have to accept that from what we comprehend Jesus was fully human and fully divine. When we look at Romans 8 the same principle is found in verses 7-8. “For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, indeed it cannot; 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.” When we argue about the things of God it becomes apparent that we are only doing it because we are trying to get our opinions across and what it is that we understand about the Word of God. It is a problem when it becomes about “I” and not about God because those who are of the flesh cannot please God. We need to hold fast to the fact that, “If God be for us, who can be against us?” if Jesus came and died for my sins then I am very grateful for the substitution.
Response 9 There were many good points in the BRI document about God’s justification and his judgment. The overall point was that the two ideas are two parts of a whole. They do not stand in opposition to each other, but work as a unit. I think the author said it well when he said “Justification by faith helps to guard the judgment from the false ideas that human beings never will be able to stand in God's judgment or that standing there self-goodness will place God's righteousness under obligation. In other words, justification contradicts the concept that humans cannot make it in the judgment or that they make it by themselves. On the other hand, judgment according to works guards the doctrine of the justification of the ungodly from meaning the justification of ungodliness. If there is a judgment according to works, then justification must mean that the lives of the justified are claimed by Christ and that they are called to live for Him who died for them (2 Cor. 5:14, 15).” This was very helpful to me to see how why to two must work together. We cannot have one without the other. Romans chapter 9 was interesting. We have discussed this chapter in class that though it seems to say that God predestined Esau to be hated, that truly God predestined that he would work with everyone to make them into the children of God, but that he foresaw that some would not choose to accept his work for them. This is still a challenging chapter though and I plan to spend more time studying it in the future. The chapter in Whiddon’s book was an interesting history of the things that affected Ellen White in the time of the 1888 General Conference, but I look forward to next week’s reading about what her actual theological view of salvation was as a result of the pressures we talked about in this chapter.
I enjoyed how you described the class discussion and the reading assignment. First, like you said, “The Apostle Paul in Roman 8 uses body language to bring the good news of freedom from standing condemned before God” I was quite surprised from the relation between body language and freedom. And another good point from your paper is that “God gave her(Ellen White) the message that rooted in Scripture. That’s is very true. Without her writing we couldn’t find such beautiful messages from the Bible.
This week’s reading material and class discussion wholly focus on justification by faith. Even though it sounds simple and easy to understand that we get saved only by faith, it is not easy to grasp the real meaning in our real lives. That’s why so many people have been debating on this subject so far. First, the long article, Justification by Faith and Judgment According to Works written by Ivan T. Blazen, concludes with justification by faith. But as we can see that the author spend that much space to prove that there in only one way for us to get redeemed. And he integrates all the factors related to salvation saying, “the cross is the means by which justification is effected; faith is the means by which justification is accepted; and good works are the means by which justification is manifested.” So there is none we can do for our salvation. We have to understand that the only thing that we should do is to obey His voice. “The more deeply one understands the riches of Christ's grace, the more He hears Christ's call to obedience.” Romans ch 10 is speaking about salvation through faith. This chapter is on the same page of the article. Paul insists that “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. (Rome 10:3)” If we really understand what righteousness by faith is then we will find no righteousness in ourselves. Lastly, I want to talk about Ellen White and her thought on this subject. I haven’t been quite aware of 1888. I just knew that there was a meeting in Minneapolis that time. But reading the book, I became to know what was the problem. But luckily, Ellen White wasn’t shaky and kept on insisting what she believed. “Whether justification or sanctification was getting the accent or emphasis in her ministry, Ellen White always sought balance in her presentations. (p.86)” Because of her, we can have this truth.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 09 THST 540 – 10/26/08
Chapter 10 of Whidden's book is more of an introduction to the next chapter. This chapter presents a historic overview of the period of 1888 – 1902, as well as a brief analysis of the several perfectionist movements that emerged at that time. I agree with the author when he says that Ellen White always sought balance in her presentations – it is probably what I admire the most about her. EGW was always able to hold the truth as revealed by God, without falling into any of the extremes that seem to permeate our society. In a period of so many fanatic deviations from the Bible, it is impressive to see the clarity that resulted from EGW's relationship with God. On the article about Justification and Assurance, it was interesting to read such a Christological approach to the subject. Even though it tends to be an underlying matter, its not always pointed out that way. I also found the study between Paul and Abraham to be fascinating how it emerged from both a deeper comprehension of justification by faith, as well as its personal application. The discussion of this theme as a result of a life centered in Jesus, gives it a fresher understanding as well as a more solid base for the later understanding of sanctification and perfection. Romans chapter 9 is a declaration of the almighty power of God. Paul emphasizes God's sovereignty over His creation, and over all of us. It is also a warning in my perspective, a calling for us not to fall in the same mistakes that others fell into in the past. It is not our ancestry or any other distinctive quality that saves us, but the invitation of God, as well as our choice to accept that invitation. Paul invites us to a deep reflection regarding the responsibility of our choice to accept the promises that others rejected.
Reflections paper: Week Nine Doctrine of Salvation: Comments on the article “Justification by Faith and Judgment According to Works Ivan T. Blazen
This article presented a clear view of how Justification by Faith relates to Judgment. Many have misunderstood these two issues to be contradictory and attempted to separate them failing to realize that they compliment each other. I think failure to understand the role of Christ in each of them leads to the misunderstanding and the article showed how Christ is involved in both works. We are justified by faith in the merits of Christ not of our own but once we have accepted the righteousness of Christ, we can do nothing else but obey his word and allow him to work through us and failure to have him as part of our lives and continued sin brings Judgment. God is faithful to His promise to us as our Savior but His faithfulness will not excuse the continuance of human sin. Sin has to be and will be dealt with. These pillars are integral to each other and must be accepted and integrated. God’s work is that of saving man and eradicating sin from their lives. Chapter 11 of “Ellen White on Salvation” discussed the issue of Justification by Faith as it related to her life in 1888 and after. The question was on how Justification by faith related to the law of God. Her ministry emphasized the merits of Jesus for everyone’s salvation, not the keeping of the law, without destroying the importance of the law. “The major theme of her ministry was a message to the church that believers were to quit trying to merit salvation by good works and obedience to the law and accept the wonderful forgiveness of Jesus that ‘is make manifest to all the commandments of God’” Her support for Jones and Waggoner was not in everything they taught by in the message of righteousness by faith, which was where she stood for before 1888 and continued to do so after that, with more zeal and emphasis on the merits of Christ for salvation and not legalism. In our class discussion we revisited the issue of predestination and Dr Hanna presented it by employing different chart of the relationship between foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification and glorification, portraying how FAITH which works by LOVE waits in HOPE for the salvation of the Lord connect all these elements in the process of salvation. He emphasized the point that Christ was predestined to be the Lamb of God, for the salvation of the world.
Reflection Paper #9 Reading Whidden’s account of the ministry after Minneapolis reminded me of many discussions that take place during our church board meetings. We get distracted and divide ourselves because of minor points which divert our attention from dealing with the major and relevant issues affecting our members today. In White’s time it was the issue of one of the 10 horns of the fourth beast of Daniel 7. Today we argue over the interpretation of “modesty” and “worship.” Next, I was intrigued by White’s opinion of the “Holy Ghost” movement. I’ve often wondered about this movement and its roots. I really appreciate the standards White outlined for us in order to properly evaluate holiness and perfection in ones life. In Romans 9, Paul touches on a subject that is important to many of us who have friends and family members who do not profess to be Adventists, but are good people. I often ask myself what will happen to these individuals, and this chapter guides me in my endeavor to understand. Paul makes it clear in Romans 9:32 that following the law is not good enough. Our faith is the element that makes the difference. In addition, this chapter is further evidence that many non-Adventists will be saved and many “law” abiding Adventists will be lost. Finally, Blazen’s article was informative. In addition, his ideas were in harmony with the discussions we’ve had in class, in particular, the discussion we had on the notion that once saved always saved. Furthermore, Blazen places those who profess to know Jesus Christ in a different category as it relates to the standard used in judgment which is a point that is not emphasized often when discussing salvation and judgment. I appreciated that Blazen focused on Christ’s role as our Savior and Lord, because each has a distinctive meaning.
Reflection Paper#9 (Week Ending October 25, 2008) (Sheldon Smith) What I learnt from chapter 10 of Whidden’s book is that E.G. White sought to give a balanced view on the “Holiness of the Flesh” doctrine that was being purported by some of her fellow Adventists. She maintained that we “cannot have perfection of the flesh but Christian perfection of the soul.” In Romans Chapter 9, the theme of righteousness and faith can be seen throughout the chapter. As I reflected on the chapter, I learnt that just like the Jews, as Christians we can be doing all things that are right but yet the spirit of the law is lacking and that which we do is out of selfish motives. It therefore puts me on my guard in understanding and asking myself the question why do I do what I do. The article on BRI regarding justification by faith and judgment according to works was a very interesting one. It emphasized that both are related to each other and throughout salvation history, there has always been an ongoing relation. I like the part in the article where the author articulated that, “Justification by faith helps to guard the judgment from the false ideas that human beings never will be able to stand in God's judgment.” All in all, I think the document was well put together and I would recommend it to anyone who needs clarification on Justification by faith and its relation to the judgment.
The Apostle Paul in Romans 9 discussed God’s election of those He wills. Although this chapter looks as if it supported the idea of deterministic predestination but the Apostle is showing God’s mercy. For the Jews the covenants, the law and promises were given but their hearts were hardened. They did not heed the word of God but neglected with a notion of being Abraham’s seed. They pursue righteousness not by faith in God but by works of the law. The Apostle however, pointed out that, the real children of God are those who are not in the flesh but of the spirit. It is interesting that God’s mercy will everyone to be saved, as Paul said; “God endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.” [v22]. God work hard to get those who will not be saved to be saved but they rejected on the basis of salvation can be achieved by human efforts instead of having faith in Jesus Christ. Whidden’s 10th chapter explained Ellen White’s support of the 1888 Minneapolis proclaiming of Justification by faith. This is of great significant because there were many other extremist with extreme doctrinal in which Ellen White corrected but was balanced in her concept of Perfection not on human nature but on the soul “through the sacrifice made in our behalf, sins may be perfectly forgiven.” Ellen White condemned the “Holy Flesh” doctrine by referring to concept of perfection through Christ cleansing blood that frees the “conscience from condemnation.” Jesus also speaks of perfection in human characters when He said: “Therefore, you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” [Matthew 5: 48]. Of course, Jesus spokes of human character but not the human nature, Ellen White said, we will have that fallen nature until Christ comes back. BRI article by George W Reid called “WHY DID JESUS DIED? HOW GOD SAVES US” shed light on Jesus’ sacrifice for the ransom of many. Reid emphasized the idea of “pagan god appeasement” to deal with belittling Jesus death to God’s love for sinners and neglect God’s justice against sin. This is so true, for many people often see Jesus’ sacrifice as God’s love however, there is more than that, it’s a revelation of how serious sin is in the heart of God. It was never to appease God the Father but it was to show God is merciful and also justice. People need to realize the totality of Jesus’ death, so that we can receive God’s grace by faith and obedience to His divine will. So we can be conscious of the seriousness in the sight of God. He loves and at the same time a holy God who cannot tolerate sin, He loves sinners but hate sins. Our last class discussion was eye opening with book of Acts mentioning the idea of “predestination” as determining of time and place on God’s behalf to make Himself available for His children to seek Him and able to find because of the coming judgment. So this idea surely revealed the authentic meaning of predestination as a blessing for all humans. Another eye opening concept was the FAITH, LOVE and HOPE in the part of God that enables us to have faith because of God’s faithfulness and to love because God is love. This model of seeing salvation in a morewider spectrum is excellent; and I’m looking forward to some more expansions of this model that explains SALVATION in a better way that the narrow views of many theologians and believers.
Are we saved by faith alone? This has been the question and debate among many for as long we know it. Paul some what eludes to this in Romans 9 when he states that "for it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." these are two key components that work together. You cannot confess if you don't believe in your heart, and if you believe in your heart you will be led to confess this truth. Faith and works, heart and mouth. Hanna speaks of Christ using "body language in His relation to us" This is only but upheld in Romans 9. In Chapter 10 of Whidden, Ellen proclaims justification by faith and a balance in her teachings. She teaches that we are made perfect in Christs perfect forgiveness. Our nature isn't made perfect, but we are perfectly cleansed or covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. The bible and EGW speak of the perfection of character not the nature of humanity. Christ has given us the tools to come to Him for this perfection. Hope, Love, and Faith. THese three things enable us to find Gods perfection for our character.
Amazing facts, true facts, biblically supported – Paul makes the case straight to all who think they own God as theirs, he says, “Christ, who is God for over all.” This chapter elaborates the freedom of God in its broad sense and leaves no questions unanswered concerning the sovereignty of God. I came up with the following in this chapter:
1. Children of God are Children of Promise – vs. 8,9 2. God has a mission and purpose for us even before we are born purposely for the glory of His kingdom – vs. 10-12 3. Finite being have no authority or say concerning Finite issues – vs. 19-21 4. God is interested to all humanity regardless of whether they want Him or not, whether Jews or Gentiles – vs. 22-29 5. Lastly, salvation is based on faith [what has been done to us, shall enable us to do what God wants us to do.] – vs. 30-33
Critical study of this chapter shall enable a Christian to value his life and surrender it fully to God – He is Sovereign.
When reading Romans nine it seemed that the flow was broken up from chapter eight until I got to verses 14, 15 “which says, What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."” At first this was problematic for me because it seemed that the confusion of Romans 8:28-30 had permeated back into chapter nine with God having a specific group of people that He wanted make it to heaven kind of like the misunderstanding of the 144,000. But, it wasn’t until Romans 9:30-32 that the mystery begin to unveil itself. “What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works.” Is it that God predestined a specific set of people to be saved? Some say yes and others say no but the truth be told is that God called those who have faith in Him to be saved. It is illusion in the above verse where although the Gentiles were not looking for righteousness but they obtained it by faith while on the other hand those who were chasing after it did not get it. Whidden brings this to light when he looks at Ellen Whites understanding of salvation in chapter nine. She says, the “Christian experience has to do with a constant looking away from self and a continuous, conscious dependance on Christ’s acceptance and power.” Such dependance was not based on feelings but on “what they know about themselves and about Christ.” It seems that the Gentiles although they were on the outside understood this concept better that the Jews who had the Messiah and casted Im away.
In class today we discussed how the gospel relates to the conversation we’ve been having about the process of salvation as recorded in Rom 8. I thought that Doc did good job on showing us the connection between the gospel and the entire process. Again, Dr. Hanna proved to be holistic in his approach. But the reason that this perspective has to be holistic is in part because of what Paul says in our Rom 9 reading. Throughout the reading Paul stresses that there are people that are in Israel that are not apart of Israel and people outside of Israel that are apart of Israel. This really couldn’t be so unless God knew from beforehand through the promise of the gospel that this would be possible. The other thing that got me in class however was the discussion on the objective or subjective atonement of Christ. Doc said essentially that while it’s important to understand the objective atonement of Christ meaning what Christ has done for us we also need to understand what Christ is doing through us, subjective. I suppose I had never really thought about this before. In other words, Christ is a substitution for us and is also the one who influences us.
I enjoyed learning more about the topic of Biblical perfection. I know that this is a controversial subject and have met many people who had passionate feelings about the subject, even to the point of being argumentative when the discussion occurs. The strain seems to lie in the understanding of the sinful nature and I like how the BRI document explained it: "God's method of salvation is not eradication of a sinful nature, but the counteraction of divine power through the Holy Spirit." The key component there is the distinction between the sinful nature and sin itself. Victorious living dependent on Christ can be a deceptive milestone towards a distorted view of perfection. If someone, for instance, overcomes a powerful addiction which they've been enslaved to for years, they feel a sense of triumph and victory. This continued success against temptation and "sin" could lead to a "pride of life" that resents others who have not achieved similar successes. And a cycle begins and perpetuates, as is mentioned in the final paragraph. Whidden emphasizes the qualifications regarding the statements of perfection in Ellen White's writings. IT is significant to note that she mentions Matthew 5:48 many times and underscores it as the success of salvation. The qualifications that Whidden identifies assure me of the experience that I've been having. The road to calvary is a "consciously receding horizon". This has been my concept of Christian Maturity. The closer I get to Christ, the more worthy He is and the more unworthy I am. I've heard many of the "perfectionist" claim this status as a mode of walking with the LORD, and I affirm the posit that "no one is to claim perfection". What a paradox!? And only faith and grace can manage to comprehend this mystery. I pray for God's leading as we face the end times and this debate heightens within our movement.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 9 THST 540 – 10/30/08 In Whidden chapter about justification, Ellen White considers justification synonymous with pardon, and justification it fallows after repentance and faith. But she is also supporting the idea that faith and works comes together. You can not have faith in Jesus but your works are contrary to your faith or the works are missing. The forgiveness of the sins are possible because of Jesus death, death which shows His hates toward the sins. She is mentioning also the idea that once you have received the forgiveness of the sins, the justification doesn’t mean that you are saved forever. In Romans 9 it dealing with the problem of the rejection of the Jews and the calling of the Gentiles and whatever God does, it is just. The rejection of the Jews did not break God's promise to the patriarchs. The Gentiles receive justification because they believed in Christ Jesus which died on the cross not because they accepted Jewish rituals. In fact this was the problem the nation of Israel sought after the kingdom of God by works. Of course faith without works is not possible, but we can not go to extremes. Both of them are interdependent. In Ivan Blazen article Justification by Faith and Judgment According to Works he is saying that salvation and assurance doesn’t come by human faith and works but by the works of Jesus Christ which are sufficient. He is saying that “The cross is the means by which justification is effected; faith is the means by which justification is accepted; and good works are the means by which justification is manifested.” The works of justification is a witness for our justification and our strong faith in Jesus Christ, but if they are missing it means that something is broken in our relationship with Jesus.
Sometimes we tend to be confused as to why we continue in sin yet a ransom price was paid for us to be saved. I agree with Reid that the huge price was paid so we may claim to be citizen of heaven. Since we were totally lost, Christ was present to reconcile us back to the father. We have every opportunity to Claim the prize that was paid dearly. Actually it is God who initiated the rescue plan and we have acknowledged that sacred plan. His love to us abounded such our eternal gift was made sure. In Christ our sin was judged and condemned. And therefore we have no excuse to remain in sin According to Whidden II the nature of Christ and salvation is inseparable, his views is supported by Ellen White who says that they are closely bounded. But still his nature and divinity remains a mystery to date. She recognized Christ’s full deity and affirmed his clear presence in the divinity which was against many of her times. I like the way she emphasized the blending union of his humanity and divinity. Therefore, salvation will not be easy had not this happened. Christ set a classic example that although we were born sinners still we have a clear way to salvation if we accept Him fully. So any misunderstanding simply comes because we have accepted to be led by the devil and the devil wants to recruit us and makes salvation hard to achieve. Chapter 7 of Romans remains controversial to date also because it as if Paul is connecting sin and the law yet during his times it hard to keep the law to avoid sin. But he defends himself against the charge of identifying the law with sin. Sin does not exist in law but in human beings, whose sinful inclinations are not overcome by the proclamation of law.
The original sin has caused a lot of concern and many are in dilemma as to which is the way forward. Many are yet in darkness over this subject. But Gerhard has done a good job of putting the record straight. He traces the origin of Sin and provides biblical evidence as well as historical facts to prove his case. Still we are in dilemma on what to do with sin, and then shall we be justified by faith alone because Christ died for us? Whidden explains that according Ellen White faith and works are inseparable and that is why she wrote “ Faith will never save you unless it is justified by work”. Faith must be sustained by work and Christ’s merit s makes our obedience acceptable. And God is willing to pardon a willing sinner who has accepted that Christ died for us all and we must acknowledge our weakness to what we are supposed to do.
And in Romans 8 Paul points his addressees to the correct way. Through the redemptive work of Christ, Christians have been liberated from the terrible forces of sin and death. Holiness was impossible so long as the flesh (or our "old self"), that is, self-interested hostility toward God frustrated the divine objectives expressed in the law. What is worse, sin used the law to break forth into all manner of lawlessness. Christian life is therefore the experience of a constant challenge to put to death the evil deeds of the body through life of the spirit. God's redemptive action on behalf of the believers has been in process before the beginning of the world.
Reflection # 6 The Atonement, was it simply an act in history by Jesus, or are there aspects of it that are continuous still today? The chapter from Whidden’s book dealt specifically with this topic. I appreciated how he summarized various views that were prevalent in Mrs. White’s time. He spoke of the: moral influence theory, the satisfaction theory, and the penal-substitution theory. Whidden brought out how the last theory was dominant in Mrs. White’s thoughts. I appreciated how he said that “It is almost as if she went on a shopping trip at the doctrinal supermarket and was able to get all the choicest fruits without picking up a single rotten theological apple.” Whidden also presented how Mrs. White viewed the Atonement as dynamic, still having effect today. So not merely having paid the price required by the law, Jesus is still ministering in the heavenly sanctuary today. It is this ministering that has ‘implications for the sanctification experience of believers, not just their experience of forgiveness and acceptance.’ I really appreciated the BRI article. It spoke about different aspects of salvation. But the one aspect that I particularly enjoyed was how it started out. Right from the beginning of the article it pointed out that we as humans in this world are in rough shape. We are in desperate need and as it said “Before we can accept the good news, we must recognize our desperate need. We are rebels at heart and rebels in deed, alienated from God and from one another” That pretty much sums up the entirety of so many discussions in the religious world today. For it is only when we come face to face, or drastically realize just who we are at heart, that the whole picture starts to come into focus. Until that point we may try to mold the gospel to fit our picture, or we may try all kinds of theological gymnastics. But when we realize that really there is not anything good inside of us at all, not even the desire to do good is from us, then God can make progress in us. The bible tells us that ‘God works in us both to will and to act according to his good pleasure’ I believe that so much discussion would be solved if we realize that it is only by the initiative of God that anything good comes of our lives. For it is truly all about Him! The author states that “no one can fully unravel the mystery of the new birth.” And that is so true, but the great thing is that it is possible, Praise God!
Romans Ch. 6 Whidden Ch. 7 BRI: The Dynamics of Salvation
Reflection # 7 I really enjoyed the BRI article about perfection. It was short and concise and to the point, there is ‘none perfect but Jesus alone’ It pointed out that when the bible speaks of perfection it doesn’t talk about ‘sinlessness’, but rather of “spiritual maturity, full grown spiritually, ripe in spiritual understanding, whole in response to God, keeping nothing back” It’s true that there are theological circles ripe in the discussion of ‘perfectionism’ My only question is “Don’t you know the full power and extent of sin?” Simply put, we are the embodiment of sin, and we are not getting out of it with out external rescue. I like how the author of the article called it right out in the open and said “If one's view of sin is shallow enough, sinless perfection would not be an impossible achievement.” Aptly put, the author also says “There is one truth that every believer needs to learn who would fully enjoy complete salvation in Christ. It is the need to abide in Christ, to look continually to Christ, to depend wholly on Christ and His righteousness.” Followed by “Salvation in Christ alone means that the bias to sin in human nature is too strong and overwhelming to be dealt with apart from moment by moment trusting in Christ and in His power to save.” Where does this leave us? It should leave us totally aware that in and of us there is nothing that is contributing to our salvation. Yes, it is so true and Christ dwelling in us will bring about noticeable change and rightly so. But at the end of the day, make that the judgment day, it will still be Christ’s righteousness that will cover us and deem us worthy of eternal life. I also really enjoyed the chapter from Whidden’s book on the nature of Christ. It’s true that whole books and studies have been done on this topic, so one chapter is only a short discussion. However I think he did a decent job of summary within those few pages. Right up front he states concerning the nature of Christ “If there were no mystery, what need would there be for faith?” And I simply was amazed how he ended this quote, was it in a state of triumph or superiority? I believe his passionate feelings shown through on this one, here it is “The arguments of those who claim that Christ had to be just exactly like sinful humans in order to identiy with them breaks down over one stubborn fact of human history: we have all sinned, but Christ never did. Think about that for a moment.” I laughed when I read that “think about that for a moment!” I appreciated how he summarized his chapter by saying “The key temptation for Christ was the same as it is for all humans- the desire to go it alone.” Simply put, yes Christ is our example in so many ways. But much more than is the fact that he is our Savior!
Romans Ch. 7 Whidden Ch. 8 BRI: How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible?
Reflection 10 I began by reading Romans 10. I thought the first couple of verses were very interesting where Paul makes the point that he wants the Jews to be saved because he knows they are zealous, but it is not based on knowledge. It is interesting that Paul sees the need for our salvation to be based on knowledge. As Adventists, I think we have to carefully walk the line of basing our zealousness on knowledge and still experiencing God. Pau seems to me to be saying here that the Jews lost their salvation because they did not really know what God’s righteousness was, so they rejected it and were lost. I hope to never be in that place and to work to help others not do that either. The BRI document on Romans 3 was also interesting. I really liked where he said “The past tense, the aorist, is omnitemporal and refers to the actual sinning of humans and "fall short of the glory of God" describes the defacing of the image of God in their lives.” It is true that we have all sinned in our lives in the past. But most of all I see that we do continually deface the image of God in our lives. I know that I do things at times where I see that God would not have acted that way. As Christians we are supposed to represent who Christ is to the world, but the sin in our lives defaces that image. As we are saved and the sanctification process goes forward God repaints that picture of himself in us and we become better example to others of who Christ is. The significance and meaning of 1888 was a very informative chapter. I like the fact that it points out that Ellen White’s main message was that the people of the church needed to quit relying on the law and their keeping of it to help them gain salvation. But that instead they needed to rely on Jesus and have the obedience that comes as a result of that forgiveness. I see this legalistic tendency has not totally been eradicated from our church and we still need to clearly show that we must fully rest in Jesus for our salvation and that the works come from that dependence on Jesus. I liked that at the end of the chapter he pointed out that for Ellen White the preaching of the merits of Jesus was not an attack on the law, but only on the misuse of the law.
I feel that this week’s subject is on the same page of the last week’s. First, the article, Justification in Romans 3:21-24 by Rodriguez, focuses on who is who. And I liked his conclusion as “justification is a free gift of the grace of God for all who believe.” It’s a very well balanced answer. Everyone has been given chance to get saved by God but they are to believe that. It is good arguing. Whidden explains about 1888 and the relation between that even and Ellen White. Even though that event impacted her “there were no major reversals of her previous teaching.” And “she claimed to have preached the matchless charms of Christ” as usual. This made her get her authority back. Getting power again, she needed “to quit people trying to merit salvation by good works and obedience to the law and accept the wonderful forgiveness of Jesus Christ.” Romans chapter 11 is kind ambiguous to me. But I’ve got the general meaning of it at least. Chapter 11 is closed as “Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor? (Rom 11:33-34)” I believe that even Paul couldn’t fully understand God’s love and His plan for everyone. But he understood it as far as he could so I felt that I shouldn’t try to understand all the difficult verses with using all materials but I will ask Him to give me further light like He did to Paul.
The discussion opened with the acknowledgement that since, according to the New Testament, calling to salvation comes from the gospel (II Thess. 2:14), we must first understand what the gospel is. According to Romans 1:16-17, it was noted, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, and through this power the righteousness of God is revealed.
It was also noted that the words righteousness and justification are the same in the Greek. While this is true, one must be careful not to conclude that therefore the scope of this word throughout the New Testament is therefore limited to justification, as some have tried to do. This same word, of course, often refers in the New Testament to sanctification and practical holiness, as in Romans 8:4, which speaks of how “the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
Discussion continued with reference to how salvation is the same as redemption, as in Romans 8:24, and again it was noted that foreknowledge and predestination are involved in this process.
Perhaps it might be said that too much focus has been given in our recent discussions to Romans 8:29-30, fine passage though this is. No one verse or single passage should be made the defining word on a Bible doctrine. Only the inspired consensus is able to bring us to such a conclusion. Desmond Ford, at the Palmdale Conference on righteousness by faith in 1976, made this blunder when he took only chapters 3-5 of Romans and used this as the sole means of defining the scope of righteousness by faith. The consequences of this conclusion have been significantly hurtful to modern Adventism.
Such passages as Romans 1:3, with reference to Christ’s incarnation and resurrection, together with I Corinthians 2:1-2, which speak of knowing nothing “save Jesus Christ and Him crucified,” also received attention. Comment was made as to how the latter passage has often been misused, particularly by those who seek to elevate Christ in importance over the “remaining” doctrines of the Bible. This makes little sense, to be sure, since Paul in that selfsame epistle spends 14 additional chapters instructing the Corinthians regarding correct faith and practice. Not to mention it was Christ Himself who declared that man shall live “by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (Matt. 4:4).
Conversation then turned to various theories of the atonement, such as the penal substitution and moral influence theories. Comment was offered that what is essentially wrong with the moral influence theory, for example, is what it leaves out. The cross event and the remaining features of the atonement process certainly involve moral influence and a demonstration of the Father’s love, but they also include the act of penal substitution. Indeed, the entire process of salvation, from the first intervention of God on man’s behalf in Eden to the final destruction of Satan in the fires of hell, are involved in the work of atonement. This is made clear by the fact that the scapegoat in the typical service, representing Satan, is described as making atonement (Lev. 16:10).
Presentation by Wendy Feese
An excellent presentation on the contrast between freedom and slavery relative to the plan of salvation, in particular the fact that slavery to Christ—as the New Testament presents it—is a voluntary, loving servitude that is not dictatorial or coercive in any way. Freedom, at the bottom line, is fundamental to the doctrine of salvation as Scripture presents it (John 8:32; Rev. 22:17). Without freedom, there would indeed be no controversy between good and evil, since controversy and any choice contrary to the divine will would be disallowed from the start.
The freedom Christ offers includes both the freedom brought by forgiveness, or justification, and the freedom brought by the practical holiness of sanctification.
Presentation by David Hamstra
An interesting set of insights into what were called the “trinitarian” features of the salvation process. The following assessment was offered of the three phases of salvation:
It was noted that blood and sacrifice are the means of our justification. A correct statement, to be sure (see Rom. 3:24; Eph. 1:7), but the New Testament says Jesus’ blood also accomplishes our sanctification (Heb. 13:12,20-21). The presenter confirmed, to be sure, that each member of the Godhead is in fact involved in the entire saving process, even if the model he uses sees the activity of one or another Godhead member as primary at the various stages.
The role of truth in the sanctifying process (John 17:17,19) and the body as the temple of the Holy Ghost (I Cor. 6) were also examined. It was likewise noted that glorification will involve the re-creation of the natural world which now groans under the burden of sin (Rom. 8:19-23). But once again, the disclosure of divine glory is also involved in the process of sanctification here on earth (see Eph. 3:16-21; Phil. 1:11).
Presentation by Nathan Kennedy
This presentation was titled, “Unconditional Eternal Security: A False Harbor of Hope.” The issue of unconditional predestination, and the doctrine of “once saved, always saved,” were addressed in this analysis. Appropriate attention was given to the question of what believing truly means, when Scripture speaks of this as a condition of salvation. Is this belief something that happens once for all time, or must it be continuous? Such verses as Matthew. 24:13 would certainly imply that it must be continuous. Not to mention that John 3:36, especially in modern Bible versions, translates belief as obedience.
Further comment was offered by the presenter on the meaning and purpose of the Beatitudes in Matthew 5, and how they represent practical steps to Christ’s kingdom.
Tatiana Perez RP #9 In Reading Romans 9 I thought of how old the issue of salvation by faith vs. salvation by works has existed. I wonder why so many seekers after salvation have struggled with this. Not only is it a continual challenge today, but it was obviously a big deal in Paul's time as well as we are reminded here. The jews had a constant struggle with this issue, trying to do all the right things, and combining it with the fact that they claimed to be Abraham's children, therefore many thought they were entitled to salvation. Yet they didn't live as their ancestor lived (by faith). I like the thought that I can be called a true daughter of Abraham by trying to live as he lived, by faith in Christ. This chapter gives me hope and a warning too: hope that I can too be an heir to the promise, and a warning that i need to be careful not to start trying to merit my salvation by works (which is something that any of us can fall into.) In reading the chapter "Justification by Faith--Before 1888", it is apparent here to me that even E.G. White might have struggled with the meaning of justification at some point in her christian walk. But she was able to come to a balanced conclusion about the matter, even before the crisis in 1888. She spoke in a balanced way, I think, of the importance of works in our growth as christians, but stressed that by no means do these works produce salvation. Only through faith in Christ, His life, and His sacrifice on the cross, do we have any hope of salvation. My favorite thought that she stresses is our need to not look to ourselves, but to keep our eyes on Jesus the whole time, and in this lies our assurance of salvation. I like this a lot because when I look to myself (and I have the tendency to do this) I or either get big headed and proud, or i get depressed and feel totally unable to be worthy of salvation. But I've noticed that when I keep my eyes on Jesus, I have peace. The article was interesting, and seemed to have a tie with the other readings. It was also talking about having a balance in our view of justification by faith vs. justification by works tied in with our view of the judgment. Most of my life the thought of a judgment has been a bit scary, but this article reminds me that I don't really have to worry about the judgment when I have a right view of Justification by Faith. I also like this balanced perspective of justification and judgement, faith and works. In understanding the relationship between these, we can better understand how God works in us to save us, without minimizing the importance of either teaching. And I believe that this article ties in with the chapter from "Ellen White on Salvation" because the conclusion is the same: we need to look to Christ, and not our own works, for our salvation.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 10 THST 540 – 11/02/08
The significance and meaning of 1888's Minneapolis Conference, as described by Whidden, reveals some interesting ideas. Considering the historical context and the emergency feeling derived from the Sunday laws, it seems to me that Ellen White not only was far more ahead of her time than all the other ministers, but she was also preaching the right message for that time. Justification by Faith, besides being the third angelical message, was also the most needed message for a church that was growing afraid and anxious about the events happening in their time. God made EGW aware of the need for her time, and she is able to put her focus on the more pressing issues that were much more necessary for the church to hear than the “minor” themes being discussed in 1888. I am not saying that she ignored those themes, but by addressing Justification by Faith, she defined the doctrines that were to come, as well as the issue of the law. I believe Whidden was successful showing that, even in the mist of all this doctrinal confusion, EGW kept her clarity and deep sense of Biblical truth. The BRI document on Judgment and Assurance collects a wide range of verses that plainly show how Paul consistently talks about the upcoming judgment as well as the assurance derived from each decision. In my opinion this document is a good supplement in the contradiction of the “once saved always saved” doctrine. The 10th chapter of Romans has some of my favorite verses. Paul lays out the essence of the Gospel in verses 9 through 13. The remaining part of the chapter is, to me, an open invitation to be consistent with the belief expressed in the verses 9-13, by being a witness and sharing this good news in our own time. According to Paul's words it is evident the lack of commitment and surrenderer to this transforming message.
There are several important things to consider in chapter 9. It seems like in verse 11, "Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls-she was told, the older will serve the younger" Before some are born on this earth, the "chosen" people will do God's will whether it is good or bad, to teach people the will and desire of God. Even before the twins were born it is destined for older to serve the younger. We are called, we have purpose to do God will, may-be some are already destined to become a great preacher even before the person was born.
"God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." God called Abraham to be the father of all nation but God called Hosea to marry an adulteress. It may seem unfair and God shows mercy on some but verse 25-30 shows that God's mercy is for all even for those who reject Him.
"Since both justification by faith and judgment according to works are elements of divine revelation, it belongs to Christian reason to accept both, to proclaim both, to interpret both, and to seek to correlate both. One teaching should not be made to yield to the other so that its inner essence and unique contribution are denied." If we keep this in mind it will help us to understand better about God's plans and His will.
In both of the readings, the paper by Angel Manuel Rodriguez and Romans chapter 10, talks about salvation of all people. Salvation isn't for just Jews or Gentiles, it is for all. Romans chapter 10:12 "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him. For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Even though we all have sinned and fall short of glory of God but He still from the beginning He destined to save all of us.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 10 THST 540 – 11/05/08 Paul in Romans 10 is talking about a zeal for God but he also sees that it is zeal not according to knowledge. Zeal for God, but not according to knowledge is a perfect description of Paul himself before his conversion. Saul of Tarsus was a persecutor of Christians before Jesus confronted him on the road to Damascus. Their lack of knowledge is reflected in the fact that they are ignorant of God’s righteousness, and they want to establish their own righteousness. Seeking to establish their own righteousness, they have not submitted to the righteousness of God. But that wasn’t their only problem. And more than this in Romans 3:20 Paul is saying that “by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified.” But the righteousness of faith is received by believing in Jesus, and we don’t have to “work” to get Jesus. It is not as if we have to ascend into heaven or descend into the abyss to gain Jesus. We believe and receive. In chapter 10 Whidden is talking about justification, sanctification in Ellen White ministry and the fact that this subjects were balanced in her presentation. This chapter is also dealing with philosophical pantheism supported by Kellogg and others. Ellen White said about holiness and perfection that they have five characteristics and one of the is that perfection of the character can be achieved although not immediately but perfection of the flesh or nature can not be achieved until glorification. In the BRI article Justification in Romans 3:21-24 by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez is supporting the idea that justification is a free gift which we have received through Jesus Christ death and this gift is supported only by those who accept it.
Comments on Tiago Baltazar’s 10th reflection paper
I enjoyed how you described 1888 and the atmosphere of it. When you talked about Ellen White you said “she was also preaching the right message for that time.” I think this is very true. She preached the right message in the right time. I think this is what we should follow her. And another point that I liked is “by addressing Justification by Faith, she defined the doctrines that were to come, as well as the issue of the law.” She looked ahead and tried to prevent the church from false theories. This is another aspect that all pastors should have. They should know what is going on now and find out what is going to come soon.
Reflection Paper #10 As we continue our discussion and study of salvation, I am starting to realize that many of us (like Paul and James) use the same words and factors to describe salvation, but how we use these factors vary. In the article by Rodriguez, he lays out an excellent argument for justification by faith. However, there was one comment that he made that we should all be careful of when discussing the doctrine of justification by faith and works. In Rodriguez’s article, he makes the following statement: “He revealed to us a new way of salvation that is absolutely independent from the law…” I respectfully object that salvation is absolutely independent from the law. Keeping the laws of God is evidence that one has faith in Jesus Christ. There is a difference between following the law, because you think you will earn something compared to following the law because you love God and your love for Him is manifested by your observance of His laws. Observance of the law is inextricably intertwined with sanctification an element of salvation. Next, Whidden’s clarification of White’s perspective on justification by works and that we are saved through Jesus Christ is consistent with the beliefs of the Adventist church today. However, in reality many of us teach, preach, and live as though only acknowledging and professing that Saturday is the Sabbath will save us and the world. We put so much emphasis on the Sabbath that we forget that the Sabbath, the Tabernacle, the 2300 day prophecy all point to Jesus and God’s plan of salvation. But all too often these topics are taught independent of Jesus Christ. As White stated we need to keep our eyes focused on Jesus. Our acceptance of the wonderful forgiveness of Jesus will manifest itself in our obedience to all of God’s commandments. Furthermore, Romans 10 resonates with Ellen White’s teaching of justification by faith in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection which saves. Rom. 10:4, plainly states that “[f]or Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
Reflections paper: Week Ten Doctrine of Salvation: Comments on the article “Justification and Assurance” Ivan T. Blazen
The subject of Justification being by faith and not by works is the recurring theme in this article. Justification could never be by the works of the law because the works or the people are evil. Paul emphasizes this brings out this point in several places and argues that if righteousness were by works, then Christ died in vain, there was no need of His atonement. Saying that is not possible because it is because of Christ that we are made righteous. He is the only one who kept the law and no one else, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. While we were yet in our sins, Christ died for us and His righteousness is imputed upon all those who believe. On the subject of Assurance the writer emphasizes the “much more” concept, that if now we are justified by faith, how much more shall we be saved at the end of time. It is argued that through the first Adam, the whole human race was affected with sin, how much more shall we saved by the righteousness of the second Adam. The assurance of salvation is only found in Christ and his merits, and not from anything we have done or can do. So if we align ourselves with Christ and have our dependants on Him and suffer with Him, we shall then be hears with Christ in His kingdom. Salvation is based point, living with Christ and for Him. In Whidden’s book we continued to explore Ellen White’s position on righteousness by faith after 1888. It was stated that she held a strong stand on the fact that Christ can to save us from our sins and not in our sins, as the relationship of law and grace, faith and works were being explored. She emphasized that it was through the merits of Christ and nothing that we can do to merit eternal life. Christ’s merits make up for our deficiencies. She was strong on the mercy of Christ and His willingness to forgive us when we do err on our upward walk with Him. Her writings are replete with encouragement for one who errs saying that Christ would never forsake his erring children. His mercy is broader than we can imagine. So she manifested a healthy balance in her teachings on the relationship between law and grace, faith and works, and what our part is the work of salvation. In Romans chapter 10, we see Paul’s heart going out to the nation of Israel, stating that his desire is that they may be saved. In this chapter he talks a great deal about faith and how it comes by and the essence of his message is the necessity of faith in the process of salvation. He who believes shall be saved he and that seems to have been the problem with Israel, they never believed his God’s message but were disobedient to it. So the preaching of God’s word calls for a response.
Reflection Paper#10 (Week Ending November 01, 2008) (Sheldon Smith) It is quite interesting how the S.D.A. Church has gone through what can be called “roller coaster rides” over the years since its inception, but still progresses. The divisions over doctrinal beliefs tend to be a hallmark that I have noticed ever since joining the church. Nevertheless, despite its issues, the church still marches on. What I found rather interesting and amazing about chapter 11 of Whidden’s book is how the Minneapolis conference session affected or influenced Ellen White to the extent that for the next four years after the session, 45% of her writing which is done on justification was done during that four year out of a 58 year ministry. Wow!!! How the 1888 session revolutionized her outlook on salvation and her ministry thereafter!!! Rodriguez continues to do a superb job on the righteousness by faith motif. I like how he went about commenting on Romans 3:20-24. Especially the way he presented the transition Paul made i.e., the shift from what he was talking about before to what he’s talking about presently – the righteousness of Christ. Everything seems to sum up to justification by faith which is accessible to all who believe and seek it. In Romans 10, Paul seems to be sympathizing with the Jews when he expressed his desire for their salvation. The chapter not only seems to speak to Judaisers in the past but also to present day “Judaisers.” The fact is that Christians become so zealous at times about Christianity that they forget about the Christ of Christianity. Let us not fall into the same trap as the Jews.
The Apostle Paul in Romans 10 distinct those who heard, accepted the gospel of Jesus Christ and were made righteous from those who heard the gospel but decided otherwise and therefore were not saved. The concept of salvation being open to everyone by confessing and believing in the Name of Jesus Christ but the decision of acceptance comes down to human choices. The Apostle pointed out the impossibility of our human efforts as a mean for our salvation like that of the Israelites. They were no doubt engaged in spiritual activities to show the sincerity of their hearts in spiritual matters however they were all of no avail because of the motivation factors were polluted. Pollution in a sense, they perceived salvation as man’s accomplishment rather than God’s very own that was graciously and freely given to us. What amazes me in the ignorant of the Israelites is that while striving vigorously to be just before God through their deeds, which needed efforts of great strained to their inner beings but the Apostle’s subscribe the simplest formula of how to be favored with God through confessing and believing of the heart in the person of Christ and be saved. Whidden’s book in the 11th chapter, showcase Ellen White’s for 45 years has been believed and taught what the Apostle Paul had been trying with his country men regarding salvation. She had been diligently before the Minneapolis saga in 1888 encouraged the preaching of the “Matchless charms of Christ” referring to the message of Justification by faith in Christ’s saving merits but not justification by works of the law that were preached by some of her contemporaries with in the Adventist circles. This is fascinating to learn that Ellen White’s understanding of Christ’s saving merits was in line with the teaching of the Apostle Paul. Perhaps, I can see the correlation of Ellen White’s work with the Apostle Paul in trying to make known that human are justified by faith but never downgrade the law of God. This is a downfall of the two extreme views that is seen in the Christian world today. There are those who exalted the law as a mean of salvation and then there are those who define justification as a mere points of salvation that Scripture taught therefore the works of obedience is neglected. BRI article by Ivan T Blazen on Justification by faith and Judgment by works is a well informed article on this most debatable relationship between faith and works in terms of God’s justification of the sinner and His divine judgment. I believed the root of the problem is our misunderstanding between works as applied by others as a mean of salvation and the works of obedience. But Blazen mentioned the other part of the problem is most Christians love to accept of Christ as our Savior, the One who died for our sins. However, most neglect His Lordship. In His Lordship, God becomes the Lord of our lives. So Blazen was right it is only when we uphold the Savior hood of Christ with His Lordship then we can be able to see the relationship between being justified by faith and judgment by works. I think our class lecture this week was again an eye opener and it showed the need for not limiting salvation to certain aspects of it but inclusive of others. Dr Hanna’s reference of the Apostle Paul’s model of salvation in Roman 8 to the GOSPEL was quite unique. As I mentioned this is why we must have a broad view of salvation. The gospel indeed does not referred to one aspects, for Paul referred to the God’s foreknowledge and predestination as a “mystery of the gospel, he also referred directly to calling by the gospel, as well as justification and glorification. Although some are indirectly to some aspects but it definitely showed in one way or another they all link to the Gospel. I find this very interesting for we are familiar with the word gospel but only to the context of Justification and Sanctification but not before them.
On the article "Some thoughts on the original sin"
I am a supporter of, ‘knowing the root of the problem is the solution to the problem.’ According to Dr. G.Phandl, in his presentation ‘Some thoughts on the original sin’ makes the point clear, “Without a correct understanding of the origin and the nature of sin we will have a distorted picture of Christ and salvation.” More often we tend to concentrate on the love of God in saving without telling the people why He loves us. This is what this article is trying to unearth.
I agree with Phandl, that the only place where we can connect the reality of the origin of sin is in the letters of Paul. I don’t mean to say that rest have nothing to say, but, the way Paul intertwine sin and Adam is not mentioned by any other writer so clearly as he does. [1 Cor. 15:21-22]. One aspect that we are discussing in our lectures is that of having a broad hemisphere of approaching the issues of salvation. This is what Phandl did in his article, by getting the information even from the non – canonical materials.
After this long study I personally have these to all scholars.
1. We ought to rely on the bible for understanding bible doctrines. 2. We need to learn what others in the past have come up with 3. We need to be open minded for new ideas on doctrines but biblically grounded 4. We need to open room for criticism, for it makes one learn his mistakes 5. Make God issues to be Godly solved.
It is my hope that with time new insights shall dawn, and help us to understand more of this idea. It is important as Phandl makes because without having an idea of it we won’t appreciate the salvation well.
Reflection 11 I found Romans 11 to be both very enlightening and very confusing. I really liked verse 6 where it says that if we were saved by works then grace would not be grace. That is a great summary of the problem of people who are legalistic. They do not think that grace is really unmerited favor, but try to merit grace. But that is not what grace truly is. Also the section where Paul talks about grafting branches in and cutting branches off is a very good text to show that salvation can be lost after you have got it, but it can also be regained after you have lost it. It is always our choice to react to what God had done and to change our mind and act differently toward God. God gives us that freedom. However, I must admit that I do not understand the section where Paul talks about all Israel being saved. This chapter has some very interesting things to say about foreknowledge, but the whole chapter is not totally clear to me. Both the BRI article by Jan Paulsen and the chapter in Whiddon talked about salvation by faith and the relationship between faith and works and justification and sanctification. In fact they both used a couple of the same Ellen White quotes. I found in Whiddon’s chapter the idea of the fact that deficiencies of character were unavoidable and only covered by Christ to be very helpful. The fact that while we live on this earth we must always look to Jesus and never to ourselves is seen even more in light of those statements. The BRI document came to the same conclusion that we must rely wholly on Christ and never on ourselves. I thought that the explanation of Philippians 3:13,14 was useful when he described that forgetting means to constantly look to Christ and not to ourselves for salvation for there is no other solution for sin besides Christ. I also found the discussion of the word diakaioo to be helpful. It was described as not a quality of an individual, but a relationship of an individual to God. That is a good reminder of what salvation really is, a return to a right relationship with God and giving up our rebellion.
In 1888, Ellen White kept on insisting the same message that she had been preaching about. We are saved only by faith but we should balance faith and works. And through Christ’s merits we can get saved. “Jesus is perfect. Christ’s righteousness is imputed unto them, and He will say, ‘Take away the filthy garments from him and clothe him with change of raiment.’ Jesus makes up for our unavoidable deficiencies” In class, we discussed Christ’s atonement last week and this week. The fact that He died for us on the cross is important but what He is doing now in us is also to be illuminated. Romans chapter 12 is about dedicated service and it doesn’t seem that it is closely related to what we learned from the class this week when we look at the last verse, “do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good” we can know this chapter is really close to Christ atonement and the result of it. Without His sacrifice, we cannot overcome evil at all. With His death and resurrection, we can fight against evil. This week’s article is written by Jan Paulsen and it is about salvation by faith. I like his sermon especially the first section which is about believing and trusting. Faith has two aspects; one is believing what really happened and the other one is trusting which is to obey.
Reflection Paper #11 The message in Whidden’s book regarding what the impact justification has on our life was very encouraging. I am grateful that God’s love never ceases. I am blessed with Jesus’ role as an advocate on my behalf whenever I fall, and how Christ makes my prayers presentable to the Lord. Being reminded of all the things that I lack as a sinner and the way Jesus intercedes on my behalf was comforting. Satan’s greatest lie is fooling us into believing that because of our sinless state God will not forgive us of our sins. Satan doesn’t want us to confess our sins, because that means Jesus would have to be involved. I want Jesus to know my entire life so He can plead for mercy on my behalf before the Father. Next, in Romans 11, Paul talks about the remnant church (Israel), and how God used the fall of the children of Israel to reach the Gentiles. In addition, I read about hope for the Jews. Paul made it clear that God “is able to graff them in again” in verse 23. That’s the thing I appreciate about God; He never gives up on us, no matter how far we drift from His purpose for our life. Finally, in Paulsen’s article, I felt he did an excellent job of clarifying the church’s stance on justification by faith by stating that “[i]f faith is perceived to be simply an internal and private thing of the mind, and if we think that it is only at that level we relate to Christ, with no concern or interest in practical godliness and victory over sin, then such a faith clearly is not biblical…” Furthermore, he concludes that “by faith alone” means that apart from trust in Jesus Christ, God has no other basis of salvation to offer. In addition, he makes great points in describing what really happens when we are justified. When we are justified and have faith and trust in Jesus, our standing before God changes and the person is changed.
Tiago Baltazar Reading Reflection Paper 11 THST 540 – 11/09/08
Whidden's analysis of Ellen White's thoughts on Justification after Minneapolis is extremely appealing to see how she exalts Christ's merits so much. I was interested to see how she combines the teaching of James and Paul to define justification. Even in that context, showing that despite our perfect behavior, it is only thanks to Christ's merits that we can have a hope for the future. I appreciated the fact that Whidden included the illustration of the trolley and the bus, it does justice to a journey with God. This chapter is a great demonstration of assurance of the forgiveness of our sins, as well as a reminder that even our obedience is only taken in consideration based on Christ's sacrifice, though even that is not enough to cover our sinful nature. It is a very balanced and biblical perspective. It gives us assurance and comfort while it also calling for the responsibility and the awareness that Christ is the center and the reason why we can be worthy of receiving His gifts. The BRI document on “Justification grants assurance, but judgement guards it” is a well presented article and helps to resolve the tension between these concepts. Not forgetting our own relationship with God, as well as our commitment, I think it would have been helpful to analyse the concept of God as a judge in the Old Testament. God as the Judge in that context doesn't only convict, He also acts as a defence advocate who does everything to protect and save the person on trial. Nonetheless I think the idea is there. One of my favourite concepts in the 11th chapter of Romans is the idea expressed in verse 12 about our transgressions, and how the ideas develop from there. Even though Paul calls us to a deep sense of responsibility, I feel that he is also extremely motivating. Starting from verse 12 we see how even in their transgression, Israel produced good fruits, which I believe it also applies to us. Considering that to be so, what an amazing result could our labour have if we weren't in transgression, strongly firmed in the holy root of verse 16. That is to me personally a very encouraging concept which I hope to acknowledge as an everyday challenge.
Laurentiu Roman Reflection Paper 11 THST 540 – 11/11/08
In Jan Paulsen article “Salvation by Faith“faith is the mean of salvation but, there is no merit in faith alone, Jesus Christ is our only merit. Ellen White said that “there is nothing in faith that makes it our savior. Faith cannot remove our guilt. Christ is the power of God unto salvation to all them that believe.” (Ellen White, Signs of the Times, May 19, 1898) Faith is necessary because it is the means of grasping Christ. Faith is essential to our salvation because is the only way to accomplish salvation. As our faith has no merit toward salvation, neither do the works that are a result of the faith have merit, “good works will not save even one soul, yet it is impossible for even one soul to be saved without good works” (Ellen White, Selected Messages, vol. 1, pg. 377) “Faith and works go together; believing and doing are blended.” (Ellen White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, Pg. 373) about the relation between justification and sanctification one accompanies the other. Justification is the first step to the sanctification. Justification has no meaning if it is not fallowed by the sanctification, and sanctification is impossible if we do not experience first the justification. Through justification man is saved by the condemnation of the law and through sanctification man can obtain the eternal life. Because man is imperfect his sanctification is incomplete, but through repentance and faith which is justification, man can receive salvation. “The significance and meaning of Minneapolis and 1888” was not about only perfection and Christ humanity but also about justification by faith, a subject that was neglected, Ellen white putting accent on the assurance and acceptance of Christ justifying merits. In Romans chapter 11 Paul’s main argument in this chapter is made up of two parts: 1) Israel rejection is not total but partial. The great majority of Jews have rejected God’s gospel as found in the Person of Jesus Christ, but not all of them have. There was a remnant of Jews who trusted Christ, and Paul was part of this remnant (v.1). The key verse is Romans 11:5. 2) Israel rejection is not permanent but temporarily. The nation will not always reject God. There is coming a great future day when the nation will be saved (verses 26-27). Both of these key ideas are found in Romans 11:25: "that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." The blindness is not total blindness and it is not permanent blindness. There are some Jews who see very well today. There is coming a future day when the nation Israel will see and recognize Christ as their Messiah and Lord (Zech. 12:10). Even as the apostasy of Israel did not extend to every last Jew, so the salvation of Israel will not extend to every last Jew; Paul is speak of the “mass” of Jews when he says all Israel. God never cast away His people, He always remembers like in Noah case.
The Apostle Paul in Romans 11 made mentioned of God’s “remnant according to the election of grace.” This election of grace is referring to God’s election of Israel as His nation to be used as a vehicle of grace to pagan nations. This selection was not by any of Israel’s goodness but by the grace of God. This chapter makes me confused a little bit because it seems like God purposely blinded the Israelites so that the gospel may go to the Gentile. However, it became cleared to me that the idea of God using Israel as a vehicle of His divine grace to the world, does not make God’s saving upon the individuals automatic. It does not make Israel as an owner of God’s grace, meaning that each individual ought to come to a relationship with God and to experience His saving grace. It was their “unbelief” [v20] was the reason why they were rejected. This was their respond in God’s grace and interestingly that the Apostle applied it to our relationship with the saving grace of God. It is not by our works but by believing in Christ’s sacrifice through faith. This chapter showed the sovereignty of God in His election and His work so that the whole world can be saved. Whidden’s book, the 12th chapter revealed Ellen White’s balanced view on Justification and Sanctification. It’s interesting how Ellen White never separated faith and works just like the Apostles never did but emphasized that faith in God shown forth by the works of obedience. It is fascinating how early on of her ministry, she knew that works is not a mean of salvation but as the result of God’s saving grace in the life of a sinner. It is a respond of gratitude for what God has done for a sinner but not a mean of salvation. Ellen White distinct Christ’s merits that makes us righteous with what she called “creature merits” referring to man’s worthless efforts to earn eternal life. Ellen White also talked about “Objective Justification” and in doing so she did not place any separation between justification and sanctification. When she talked about objective justification she referred about the continuous work of Christ before the Cross and continues on to His High Priestly work before God. It did not stop at the imputation of righteousness when a person accepts Christ’s merits but includes His present work as a Mediator for us. Our class discussion was also focusing at these concepts of objective and subjective atonement. We have learnt from Scripture and Ellen White that while there is a distinction between the objective and subjective atonement but they are not separated. Because Christ did something for us by incarnating into the form of man and is still doing something for us in His mediatorial work. We learned from the Apostle Paul that Christ is our mercy’s seat, He is our covering. The Bible does not separate the objective from the subjective atonement; Christ is still working for us and within us. BRI article by Edward Heppenstall called “Some Theological Considerations of Perfection,” he shed some light on one of the most debatable subjects in the Adventist circle. He highlighted two usages of the apostle Paul of the word “PERFECT.” Heppenstall pointed out that, firstly, Paul used the Greek word “teleios” referring to a person who reach adulthood. Therefore, whenever Paul is using this word, he is referring to Christian maturity and stability. Secondary, the Apostle used another Greek word “katartizo” which referred to the term “fully equipped” for the service of God. According to Heppenstall these Greek words never have in mind sinless perfection. The holiest saints, men like Paul, have been the first to declare their constant need of growth toward Christ, while affirming the sinfulness of their own natures. The perfecting and maturing process continues as long as life itself. The growing Christian makes continual progress toward the ideal in Christ. This understanding of the term “perfect” in Paul’s writing is important for there are many people who are striving to be perfect in their nature but the Bible is cleared that we are sinful by nature and we can never reach the perfection of nature, only God is perfect in nature.
Romel Charles Doctrine of Salvation Reflection #10
In chapter 10 of “Ellen White on Salvation,” Whidden goes into detail about Mrs. Whites ministry after Minneapolis. This was important because it addresses how the Minneapolis General Conference session, the “Life of Christ” writing project, and the “Receive Ye the Holy Ghost” movement shaped her meaning of salvation. With the “Receive Ye the Holy Ghost,” and “Holy Flesh” movements it also showed why we need to have a wholistic outlook when it comes to the understanding of the Bible and its doctrines. We cannot allow ourselves to be too one sided because that only leads to fanaticism. Mrs. White always sought to be balanced in her presentations and we should follow her suit. Angel Rodriguez in his article on Romans 3:21-24 makes a strong statement when he says, “The phrase "for/because there is no difference/distinction" is used to establish the fact that when it comes to salvation God saves all human beings, that is to say Jews and gentiles, in the same way, namely, through faith in Jesus ("all who believe").” This raises a number of questions in my mind. First, I agree that God saves all people n the same way, through faith in Jesus but what about those who do not know God? What about those who have not accepted Jesus as their personal Savior? But yet believe in a higher power. The question lies more with the understanding with, all have sinned, yes, but do all believe in Jesus as their Savior? The text say, “This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe,” but believe in what? Jesus? If Christ died for all human beings who have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God then what about those who “believe” in something but just not Jesus, was their belief in vain? I guess from this question we can see why the mission of the Gospel to all the world is so great and that everyone must have the choice to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
As we continue our discussion on salvation, we all agree that we do need a bigger model in order to maximize our thoughts and encircle salvation with a bigger circle. The reading we had to read this week about salvation teach us a lot of new thing about salvation. For instance, Paul in roman chapter 10 strongly emphasize we are save by faith. As we know that James emphasizes salvation by works. Both of them have a significant point and we need to reconcile them. Elle G.White would agree with Paul though she stated that to assure God's people that they have One as their high priest who gladly secures padon and deliverance despite the sinfulness of their lives. She continues to say that Christ's merits make up for our deficiencies. According to her our hope of salvation are assuring through Christ merit. The article written by Gonzaless, discussed that different mode of salvation, it is significant to realize that even in seventh day Adventist church you find people who have different concept about salvation. Some still believe that even though Christ justify each person who believe in His sacrifices and forgives them for all their sin. However, it is ironic to meet so many Adventist who believe that without keeping the law salvation is impossible.
Yes, Ellen White mentioned abedience to the word of God. I sure that obedient come after we accept Christ sacrifices. And if someone were to die the same day when he or she accept Christ, Christ would have save them without them start keeping the law,the believer attitude should always be that, the moment your surrender your life to Christ in simple faith, Jesus accepts you, and encicles you in His arms of love. He holds you more firmly than you can grasp Him. If anything happens to you He already promise to save you and He will.
As we continue our discussion on salvation, we all agree that we do need a bigger model in order to maximize our thoughts and encircle salvation with a bigger circle. The reading we had to read this week about salvation teach us a lot of new thing about salvation. For instance, Paul in roman chapter 10 strongly emphasize we are save by faith. As we know that James emphasizes salvation by works. Both of them have a significant point and we need to reconcile them. Elle G.White would agree with Paul though she stated that to assure God's people that they have One as their high priest who gladly secures padon and deliverance despite the sinfulness of their lives. She continues to say that Christ's merits make up for our deficiencies. According to her our hope of salvation are assuring through Christ merit. The article written by Gonzaless, discussed that different mode of salvation, it is significant to realize that even in seventh day Adventist church you find people who have different concept about salvation. Some still believe that even though Christ justify each person who believe in His sacrifices and forgives them for all their sin. However, it is ironic to meet so many Adventist who believe that without keeping the law salvation is impossible.
Yes, Ellen White mentioned abedience to the word of God. I sure that obedient come after we accept Christ sacrifices. And if someone were to die the same day when he or she accept Christ, Christ would have save them without them start keeping the law,the believer attitude should always be that, the moment your surrender your life to Christ in simple faith, Jesus accepts you, and encicles you in His arms of love. He holds you more firmly than you can grasp Him. If anything happens to you He already promise to save you and He will.
Gerard Vertilus This comment is on Betty Toussaint reflection, I certainly agree with her thoughts about salvation.
The only one suggestions that I have is that: James and Paul idea of salvation still debating among a lot of scholars and some still not come up with a solution to satisfy everyone were they are disagree. I think this is the only area James and Paul still little bit questionable.
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Reading Reflection for Doctrine of Salvation
9/3/08
My reading included many aspects of salvation as we discussed in class. It included the idea that we must be saved because we have all sinned as a consequence of the sin of Adam, but that God has the power to save us because of the good news of what Jesus did for us on the cross, as well as Ellen White’s personal experience of salvation.
I appreciated the document on the Biblical Research Institutes site about Adam’s relationship to our need for salvation. To experience salvation we must see our need for it. In looking at what Adam lost when he first sinned, and what we as his descendants have never had the privilege of having because he could not give us what he had lost, reminds me why need a savior and why we need salvation. I appreciated the statements about the fact that Adam passed on to us a rebellious nature makes it impossible for us to be able to make correct decisions by ourselves, but that God through Christ gives us that power.
The reading in Romans gave me more questions than answers. Before I have read this chapter and deeply studied it and felt I had a good understanding of what it said, but as I read with the idea of learning about Salvation I questioned what verse 16 really meant. What does Paul mean when he says that the gospel is the power of God for the salvation of everyone? Must we know the Gospel to be saved? I don’t believe so. Perhaps it is that what we know from the gospel, Christ died and rose again, is what saves all people or gives all people the option of salvation. That seems more likely to me.
The information of Ellen White’s personal conversion was very informative. I do know think that at this time I can come to any conclusions about salvation as a result of it, but it will help as I continue to read that book and her writings in regards to salvation.
Reflection Paper 1
THST 540
9/1/08
David Hamstra
Having searched in vain for a common theme to amongst my reading assignments and the lecture, I will summarize them one by one.
If the purpose of the lecture was to instill a sense of the variedness with which the Bible writers describe the experience of salvation, Dr. Hanna succeeded. We focused on the past, present, and future aspects of salvation, but there was one concept on the board that could not be incorporated into the heading of “process”: “inheritance”. I would like to see Dr. Hanna develop this concept further, so that we can discover whether it is a part of the “process” of salvation or a distinct metaphor for salvation on its own.
Some new thoughts occurred to me while reading Romans 1. (1) To say “I am not ashamed” presupposes that the gospel is naturally a shameful thing, presumably because of its connection to crucifixion. (2) The catalogue of evil behaviors is presented not as a list of sins but as the results of sin. (3) Sin, in this chapter, is suppressing the truth about God and worshiping his creation (idolatry).
Whidden’s book promises to be an interesting read. I very much appreciated getting the Wesleyan context of Ellen White’s formative salvation experience . Likewise, the BRI document on Adam gave a helpful survey of White’s statements on the topic of original sin and synthesized a balanced theology of the topic.
My only problem with the BRI document (not only this one, but most I’ve read), and to some extent Whidden’s book as well, is that addresses not only the topic at hand, but also the author’s theological opponents. I understand that argument is necessary to the task of doing theology, but if we only write papers against those whose viewpoints we disagree with, we add nothing constructive to the theological conversation and end up defining ourselves primarily in relation to our adversaries. Therefore, to be honest, and I will only write this once, I’m not looking forward to reading this slate of BRI documents, and would have preferred a reading assignment that included more constructive theological papers (e.g. the articles in Seventh-day Adventists Believe and Handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology).
To begin with, it was interesting how, in Whiddon’s book, Ellen White struggled with the idea of salvation and how, even after she accepted Christ, she struggled mightily with the desire “to be sanctified to God.” I have to admit, I never knew about this concept that the sanctification of God would come as an instantaneous moment of time and that the person would realize as such. It’s no wonder that she struggled so! It seems that the incidents involving the Holiness fanatics later in her ministry actually helped her to see more clearly what sanctification is all about. As I read of her experience, I was very much in awe. I wonder just how many people truly seek Jesus and His righteousness with such zeal in today’s age. It was wonderful to read of someone desiring Jesus so much, not to mention the excitement of knowing that this person who wanted nothing less than to know God in such a way as she would end up one day seeing Jesus in visions! That’s when the expression that Paul states in Romans 1:16, 17 really came racing back into my mind. The gospel truly is the power of God; it truly reveals the righteousness of God.
I love Paul and I love Romans. Paul has such a way of writing truths that there is NO way he could survive as a politician—he’s too honest! He really breaks down that ALL people have, to one extent or another, have beheld God. I think Paul is basically saying something similar to what Dr. Hanna says in his book, namely that nature is the third book or “word” of the declaration of Christ. That is what Paul is saying in Romans 1. There is no excuse for the Gentiles since God has been revealed to them—it was they whom decided to turn from that revelation and exchange “the truth of God for a lie.” While reading this, something jumped out at me. Three times the record says that “God gave them up…”. This is a wonderful example of just how much God loves ALL people; He had to give them up—He didn’t want to but He allowed the people to follow their own ways. I sense sadness there somewhat like when Jesus asked His disciples in John 6:67, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” Amazing.
With the BRI paper, I enjoyed reading the way that Rodriguez approached the thought of salvation through Mrs. White’s viewpoints. I sensed that part of the paper was actually a response to a viewpoint of another, especially in regards to whether or not Adam’s posterity was present in Adam at the time of his fall. It seems that salvation can be a topic of easy understanding and complex thought at the same time!
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 01
THST 540 - 09/02/08
It was very interesting to read about the personal experience that Ellen White went through. I have studied Ellen White before, but I understood her so much more after reading the Whidden studies. It was a surprisingly human insight to realize that she struggled with the same things that people of her time did – suffering, loss, struggles with her relationship and the assurance of God. She struggled with the understanding the primary bases of sanctification and perfection. She was constantly and consistently growing – just as we are today.
Àngel M. Rodriguez’s article on Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of E.W. comforted me. It was easier to find a clear and linear definition of sin and its consequences to the entire world. It was interesting to see how this article lays out strong biblical bases for a further discussion on the God’s nature. I have recently been studying the implications and theories about the nature of Christ, more precisely in the way Rodriguez explains the consequences of sin and how they relate to everybody - shaping not only our world and universe but also our minds and perception of God. It is only through the understanding of this foundation that one can fully comprehend the incapacity inherent in the human nature to do anything for his own salvation, and the value of every personal decision. To me, this greatly magnifies the redemptive mission of Christ.
I better understand Romans after reading the previously mentioned article. It is through the comprehension of the effects of the universal disaster of sin that one can understand the devastating consequences that Paul addresses. Nonetheless, it is also in this chapter that Paul exacerbates the mission of Christ, and its direct relationship with the redemption from sin (verse 3). Once again, it is clear the power and potential consequences based on the letting humans decide whether or not to accept their own Creator as Christ.
Week One Panankosi Mbunjwa
Ángel Manuel Rodríguez shared insights on how sin came into the world and how the human race became affected by it. It was through the disobedience of one man, Adam, that we his posterity became sinful. We inherited the sinful tendencies, not the sin, from him because he was our father. The author shows how Ellen White connects us to Adam by using such terms as “Head of the earthly family” and “representative”, and that connection shows that we are in need of God’s salvation as Adam was. God showed his love for mankind by giving us Jesus Christ to be our Savior.
One area the author did not mention is that the results of sin did not only affect Adam and his descendants, but also the whole creation. Romans 8:21-23 states that, “… the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.”
Ellen White states that “Suffering and death were thus entailed, not only upon the human race, but upon the animals. Surely, then, it becomes man to seek to lighten, instead of increasing, the weight of suffering which his transgression has brought upon God's creatures.” PP 443
As the mankind, we are thankful for the gift of salvation that we have, for it is only through this gift that we can live in hope and happiness. Our lives should manifest that hope of salvation, even in the way we treat animals as Ellen White implies, in the continuation of the statement above “He who will abuse animals because he has them in his power is both a coward and a tyrant.” PP 443
The implication here is a strong one, if God cares about how we treat animals, seeing that they are suffering because of mankind’s sin, how important is it then that we treat each other with love and compassion, honor and respect. Are these not the fruit of a life lived in the bright hope of salvation through Jesus Christ?
In our class discussion, it was revealed that the bible talks extensively of salvation in past, present and future tense, therefore admonition us to live our lives as people that have been saved, are in the process of being saved, and will experience the joy of the finished work of salvation to come. Our hope of salvation will be manifested in the way we worship our God, in the way we treat each other as human beings and even in the way we treat animals on earth. All this is made possible by the powerful gift of salvation which Paul confidently states saying, “… I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth...”. Romans 1:16. In the latter verses of this chapter, the bible advocates that those who embrace the gospel of salvation will live righteous lives, unlike that of the world. The doctrine of salvation encourages us to live our lives in harmony with God’s.
Ellen White, in her own experience dealing with the issues of salvation, justification, sanctification and glorification, emphasized “holiness of heart,” and also the fact that “sanctification was not the work of a moment, but that of a lifetime. Perfection was not to be claimed as some sinless accomplishment, but rather sought as a way of life that would see believers grow in grace until they received the finishing touch of sinlessness at glorification.”
Romans 1,
The article “Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of E. G. White”,
“Ellen White on Salvation, chap 1& 2;
Class discussion.
The readings for this week are touching in a way or another the subject discussed in class. First of all Angel Manuel Rodriguez is talking about Adam’s fall and the human race inheritance from Adam. I liked the idea that God didn’t stopped to love the human race after the sin, “but rather that it was impossible for His abundant and rich love to reach them”. God is still here, but we do not see Him because of our sins. We can not understand the terrible consequence of the sin and what Adam has done, because we are born and live in sin. For us this is the only nature which we know. Further the author of the article is saying that we are “born in a sinful condition and state, that is to say separated from God, that made sinful acts inevitable.” And here we come to the subject which we discussed in class. If we are born in a sinful condition and state it means that the salvation can not be a condition or state, it means that salvation is more like a process. We are in a sinful state and we work to receive salvation, and when I refer that we work to receive salvation, I am saying that we have received free salvation from God and because we have accepted this our character and deeds are others then what was before we accepted Jesus in our life.
Romans chapter one is connect whit this article, showing the decadence of human race, decadence which we have inherited from Adam, “in Adam all was lost through transgression."
Chapter one and two from the book Ellen White on salvation is talking more about the misunderstandings regarding salvation. We can not understand that salvation “the great love of God” which is “expressed to us in one gift, that of his dear Son”. We tend to chose one of the extremes, to be legalistic and say that we must work hard to be saved and when you received salvation the Holy Spirit comes upon you and you are not sinning anymore, or we chose the liberal way and we say that for salvation we must not do anything, we need just to wait. As we discussed in class, salvation is past, present and future, is a gift from God ant this is seen in our day by day life.
Before I begin writing my reflection paper, I need to make sure that the reader has background information about me that will enable him/her to appreciate my thoughts and perspective. First, I did not major in theology. Secondly, I am a second generation Adventist. My father was not Adventist and occasionally attended a Baptist church on Sundays, but my mother was Adventist. Both parents attended Haitian-Creole and/or French speaking churches, and I was forced to attend their respective churches. I was always physically present for church every week, but seldom did I actively listen to the sermons. I attended an Adventist Academy for 7th and 8th grade only, and at that level teachers and pastors use the word “salvation” as though it were common knowledge. This is my first year in the Seminary and the first time that I’ve had to really analyze the Scriptures and our doctrines at this level.
In light of my background, the class discussion and the assigned reading materials made me realize that as Christians we are not unified when it comes to how we define “salvation” and I don’t know as much as I thought I did about salvation. As Professor Hanna noted in class, we all have different ways of describing salvation which is further evidence of our disunity and lack of knowledge as to how we define and understand salvation. However, we all share the same belief that salvation is through Jesus Christ.
Next, I had many questions after reading the article Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of Ellen G. White by Angel Manuel Rodriguez. I don’t understand how Adam accepted the gift of salvation and when that happened. And secondly, I disagree with Rodriguez’s position that Adam’s sin put a stop to direct communication between God and man. As evidence for my position, I reference Ex. 3:4 – 4:23, the dialogue between God and Moses. As a result of the readings and class discussion, I concur with Woodrow Whidden that personal study is the key to a better understanding of truth as it relates to salvation. There’s more, but no more space.
Comment on Tiago's Paper - I liked how you were able to appreciate Ellen White's struggle to understand perfection and sanctification.
Secondly, I agree with you statement regarding the Rodriguez article when you stated that "[i]t is only through the understanding of this foundation that one can fully comprehend the incapacity inherent in the human nature to do anything for his own salvation, and the value of every personal decision." As Rodriguez stated we have "inherent propensities of disobedience." Only Christ can give up the power to fight against those propensities and overcome.
NAME: ROSANA, JOEL
REFLECTION PAPER I
THST 540
BRI "THE DYNAMICS OF SALVATION
ROMANS CHAPTER ONE
As it is well stated in the academia world, that, 'education is not a point, but linear', this dawned in my life when we were unearthing the discussion of what is salvation as per - Sanctification, Justification and glorification. My previous understanding was put in a corner as I was ready to receive the new insights which I want to appreciate greatly.
According to the article the dynamics of salvation, these same ideologies are vividly expressed and this makes my understanding more broad. The first point in this the acceptance that evil is a mystery and the salvation on the cross too is a mystery to human. No clear explanation can be made. Good news is that, salvation is God’s business and hence accepts it that way, because it was an idea that was in records and agreement even before the foundation of the earth was set. Why God business? Try to examine yourself, Why do I do what do? You don't know. Then this clear tells you that there is one who is in control and all that is needed from us is total surrender to his will.
It is good news that my salvation and yours is taken care of by God. It is His initiative that you should be saved and that is already done in Jesus. The salvation of God is entirely dependant on God and this is through is righteous acts. This salvation is on the basis of grace alone as Paul echoes it in the book of Ephesians 2:8-9, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” History has it that God has been in this business from the time sin cropped up in this world. When Adam sinned He came and called him ‘where are you’, when the Israelites were in both captivity in Egypt and Babylon, He did come out and saved them. The great of all is by sending His son to die for our sins and hence all humanity was saved.
When business is done, what next? Man now has new status in Christ. He has been ‘justified’ in Christ. He too has be ‘reconciled’ to God by Christ and then fully ‘forgiven’ through Christ. ‘By been ‘adopted’ he is a Child of God and as much as he lives he is assured of been ‘sanctified’ in readiness for the heavenly kingdom.
As much as we live in this world in Christ our nature shall be reflecting His. The ‘new birth’ shall enable us to be different from whom we were. We shall be fully restored in the sense that there will be hope for the future, which shall enable us to grow spiritually and in the process be thankful to God in Heaven.
Gerard Vertilus
9/2/08
Reflection 1
By reading these materials on this very important topic, I come to realize that much study need to be done on that topic, with the intent to provide more concise explanation. This is what I think brings a lot of confusion in our churches when it comes to salvation. Many Seven day Adventist people do not understand Ellen G. White in her proper sense. For example, Ellen G white talks about salvation and relates other important subjects with it such as perfection, justification, sanctification, ect... These are very significant topics and can help individuals to understand Ellen G White’s view on salvation. I am pretty sure that Sister White’s view on salvation is not too complex for people to understand, as I mentioned already, a lot of studies need to be done. Ellen G White, certainly suggests to people to consult other sources most importantly the Bible all the times. On the other hand Paul tells his readers that the gospel is the only source power of salvation, according to Paul, there are evidences from creation, nature, God’s eternal power, his writing and even Himself is vividly God’s evidence of salvation.
Some people according to Paul have no excuse, yet salvation still remain a mystery because the ways that God intervened in the history of human being and redeemed the whole world it is unimaginable, yes, this subject has to bring lot of questions in mind. Even in our class discussion last week almost every group has a different view of salvation that should tell us that we need to study more about salvation even the theologian not quit clear about this subject. In our class discussion last week I did not even have chance to ask one question because there were so many question about salvation. As we can see this topic from time to time bothers human being. For instance, during Jesus’ time, we discover that many people came to Jesus and ask him question about how they can receive salvation? The disciples also asked Jesus the same question? After Jesus ascended to heaven people were still coming to His disciple and asking them the same question. I think that the early church was not satisfied with the answer they received about salvation so are the people who are living in the last days as well.
I think that way, we started our discussion about salvation will share much light in the class and definitely we are going to learn more about salvation after the semester is over. Although we have our own view about salvation, as students of the bible, we must come to one understanding that Christ is the only one way for salvation; we can only receive it by his grace through faith. Not by good deeds as many believe. I am sure that this is the gospel Paul preached to the Roman and to others, this is the core of the gospel.
Universal salvation
While the above topic can be misleading to those who continue to sin with the hope
of getting it freely, Ángel Manuel Rodríguez in the document “Christ Saved the
Human Race” uses powerful statements from Ellen white to put the record straight.
Although there is a provision of universal salvation, it is not automatic to everyone but Ellen White put it clear that “if they would accept it”. This implies to me that we must be prepared to fulfill this simple condition of accepting. Then, this salvation was freely brought to those who are ready to accept it and recognize Christ as a bridge to salvation since he has provided accessibility to God. Yes Christ paid it all at the cross but we must be ready to accept what is required of us.
In the same way Paul longs to meet the Romans in Romans 1 because he wanted to show them the way to salvation not the “godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (v.18). Here I can see him warning them to avoid all wickedness, this shows the salvation was not for all but to those who accepted Him.
Furthermore I observed from Whidden II that Ellen White was also disturbed whether she can get salvation because the process of sanctification was difficult according to the teachings of her earlier times. Inspite of the confusion and frustration about her salvation, she was later able to understand that perfection is not achieved immediately but a lifelong process.
I can now deduce that universal salvation is available to those who are willingly ready to accept the invitation but not our own making.
Kurtley Knight
9/3/08
Since I’m finding it difficult to fine a common theme throughout all that I’ve read, I will seek to deal with the three different readings separately; Romans, Ángel Manuel Rodriguez, and lastly Woodrow Whidden II.
Interestingly, I’ve just finished ready Romans in my private devotions and now I’m asked to read it again. In re-reading the first chapter I too was also struck by Paul’s insistence and pride in the gospel of Jesus. He says boldly, “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of all who believes…” (1:16). Isn’t it paradoxical that the thing that is such a disgrace (the cross) is the very thing that God uses for our salvation. Moreover, Paul says that is the power of God for salvation for all. Meaning that everybody who desires salvation must come to grips with the meaning of this sacrificial act on God’s behalf. Then he goes on to say that the gospel has a righteousness itself, it is by faith. What doest his fully mean?
In reading Rodriquez article I realized that I never really thought about the effects Adam’s sin had on the human race. The section discussing Adam’s solidarity was particularly intriguing. In short the suggestion is being made that Ellen White teaches that the sin of Adam and Eve is not passed down to us but that the effects and disposition of sin is in instead. I had never really considered this before. So when we say that we are born into sin does this then mean that we are born with a disposition to sin which is inevitable or that when we are born we are automatically sinful? How does this view compare to the Catholic view.?
Lastly, Whidden’s book on Ellen White will seem to be beneficial in providing much needed context to the statements of the Servant of God. In reading I guess what I didn’t know ist hat Ellen White struggled with the same things as we do today. Specifically, I’m interested to see and understand her struggle regarding the issue of salvation. I only read the first chapter, but it promises to be a good read.
The three scopes of Salvation that we covered in class were that of Justification, Sanctification and Glorification. These are important because in my reading for this week because Whidden says that justification by faith is still one of the main issues that continues to provoke controversy in our church. Whidden’s approach to the study on salvation was to locate every use of “justification,” “imputation,” “impartation,” and “perfection” as well as their varied forms to come to a conclusion. In Romans 1 there are a number of these forms that arose in my reading. In verse 17 the Bible says, “The just shall live by faith. Verse 21 says, “When they knew God they glorified Him not as God nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.” Verse 23 says, “and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. These verses only raise more questions like how to live by faith or how can we change the glory of incorruptible God to corruptible?
Angel Rodrigez gives a firm understanding of the fall of the human race in his article “Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of Ellen G. White. He shows clearly what sin is and how it affects us as humans, first in separation from God and how it leads to death and everything in between. This is important to our class discussions because it helps us to understand even stronger our need for salvation whether it is an inheritance, state, process, goal, or status. I am of the opinion that although salvation is all of these things, it is an inheritance first and foremost. I believe this because without Christ’s death on the cross salvation could not be a goal and the state wouldn't make any sense, the status would be confusing and the process will be never ending. Christ’s death gives us the opportunity to inherit something so precious that salvation can only be an inheritance.
This is a reflection of our previous class discussion as well as our scheduled reading assignment. Our class last week displayed the different views that we as a class had on what aspect of salvation was more important. Inheritance, goal, state, process, and status were chosen and debated. I then read chapter one from Whidden’s book and the article, “Christ Saved the Human Race”. I was able to garner some interesting points from each and will try to expound on it with precision.
Whidden concluded that Ellen White’s view on salvation is that justification and perfection are “closely related and the believer cannot have one without the other (1T 22,23)”. Interestingly, in class there were some who believed that inheritance was the most important step in salvation, however, in the article “Christ Saved the Human Race”, the author states “that Christ through his life of obedience and his sacrificial death paid the price for our redemption and bridged the separation caused by the sin of Adam making it possible for repentant sinners to have access to and be accepted by God.” I find it interesting that the author of this article concludes in his research of Ellen White’s writings that salvation is not inherited.
I realize from the discussions in class that the whole issue of salvation is multi-dimensional. In that, it is not a one off event – something that has been experienced by an individual in the past. On the contrary, salvation is a process that an individual experiences in the past, present and future.
Based on the assigned reading from the BRI, it should also be noted that the consequences of sin are depravity, separation and death. As man’s representative, Adam sinned. Salvation was offered to Adam and he accepted the gift. Adam’s stead before God was really as the representative of the human race that rebelled against God. All humanity did not sin in Adam but as a result of Adam’s sin, sin was passed down to his descendants. But when Adam accepted the gift of salvation offered to him by God, he provided the possibility for his posterity to accept the same offer of salvation. Every blessing that God provided to Adam was also made available to his descendants.
Salvation therefore could not be a state of being. It would mean that we would agree that we were all born in a present state (saved) and we would have to agree that as a result of Adam’s acceptance of the gift, all humanity is in a saved state. If this was so, Christ’s death on the cross would not be necessary. Consequently, Adam’s salvation process was being experienced as he exercised faith in the sacrificing of lambs and looked forward to the ultimate time when the lamb of God would die on the cross to take away the sins of the world.
According to Chapter 2 of Whidden’s book, Ellen White like many other individuals who exist today, misunderstood sanctification and consequently salvation based on the teachings she got from the Methodists. She was taught that it was a one-off blessing that would electrify her soul and that failure to receive it would put the person in dilemma.
In Conclusion, Paul makes it clear in Romans chapter 1, that the preaching of the gospel is necessary for salvation because it is the power of God to those who believe. The gospel is about Jesus. People need to make choices as it relates to whether they’ll be saved or lost. They can do this by their daily acceptance or rejection of Jesus.
In conclusion, one should understand that salvation like justification, sanctification and glorification has past, present and future application and implication and should be looked at from a broad perspective.
REFLECTION PAPER WEEK 1
The issue of Salvation is not to be dealt with lightly, because of it diversity and complexity that is presented in Scripture. Salvation had often presented in ways that caused confusions and arguments, so it had become a burden instead of being a blessing as God intend it to be for the knowledge of man.
Reflecting on Woodrow W Whidden’s book, ‘Ellen White on Salvation’, the experienced of Ellen G White in her early years of conversion reflected how critical it is to present Salvation in its near totality and clarity. She was able to find peace of mind in her realization that to be accepted and worthy to be called “Child of God”, she had to avoid depending on self accomplishments but to have faith in Jesus’ sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. This one of several aspects of Salvation that the Apostle Paul emphasized in his epistles that the “just shall be live by faith.”(Romans 1: 17). This biblical truth indicated the uselessness of trying to obtain salvation through human efforts without total surrendering of ones life to the mercy and grace of God. It is only in full understanding and acceptance of the forgiveness of sin and being justified as God’s prerogative, can a person find rest.
Ellen G White’s growth on Salvation was again unsettling by the idea of “Sanctification”. This concept brought her discouragement because it was presented as an “experienced of complete holiness” on behalf of an individual and it was perceived as “work of a moment.” However, sanctification is the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the individual. This work is done within a person that brings about transformation and the individual is able to reflect Christlike characters. Therefore, the idea of sanctification is a work of a life time, the partnership of God and man through the work of the Holy Spirit.
Although Ellen G White struggled with her early conversion experiences but they’d helpful in her understanding of Salvation. Salvation therefore must never be considered from one aspect and ignored the others.
I draw this conclusion from the insight that we had shared in class and the experienced of Ellen G White.
REFLECTION PAPER WEEK 1
It is a good start to talk about faith when we deal with salvation. In Romans, there is one of the most famous verses which is “for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, ‘But the righteous man shall live by faith.’” We can find faith in this verse three times. It means if you want to live you have to have faith. Apostle Paul begins his book with emphasizing faith. But I especially want to focus on this phrase, from faith to faith. I have known this verse for a long time, however, it made me think deeply this time. And I finally related this issue to Ellen White’s perception of perfection.
Even Ellen White had confusion and sometimes didn’t understand some doctrines clearly. As time went by, she became to understand what sanctification and perfection really mean. But I like how the author, Woodrow Whidden, describes about her development. He says, “she moved simple, more childlike expressions of truth to greater clarity and sophistication.(p.11)” As her writing style was described, her definition became modified slightly chronologically. She said that sanctification was not the work of a moment, but that of a lifetime. When I read this I thought I could understand what the phrase, from faith to faith means. To believe in God and to get saved mean to grow in God continuously.
And the article Adam and the human race is very simple and clear about the sinfulness in human nature problem. Even though we are to be dead God gave us hope which is that anyone who accepts Jesus will get saved. Romans 1: 16 says, “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.” So as we discussed in the class we cannot get saved by our deeds of law. We only can be saved by accepting the Savior.
Comment on Wendy Feese’s paper
I appreciate that you mentioned “God has the power to save us because of the good news of what Jesus did for us on the cross.” In a sense, it could be a just simple statement but it is the core value of Christianity and we often forget about it.
Another point that I agree with you is that before I read Romans without thinking salvation deeply the book just seemed one of the books talking about Jews and laws. But after I thought about the gospel and the relationship between gospel and salvation, I began having more questions on many words as you did. But as you said whether or not we know the gospel the fact that Jesus died on the cross and resurrected saves us.
piasi suleiman said....
refrection paper.1
yes it is good to have such approader perspective of salvation.we should not narrow it to one persons understanding.when itabled down what i researched in the book of romans 1, widded w.woodrow on the article concerning ellen white on her salvation,and several other resourses i have studied before,icould say that salvation is amere gift from GOD.however since most people have that mentality that gifts in most cases dont have value,they have to look for adeeper prize to pay for their salvation.paul in chapt1 says that he is not ashamed of the gospel for it is a power of GOD to bring salvation.i agree with dr. hannas broader expression of salvation in his lectures last week which coul accommodate different thinkers views without loosing the taste of true meaning of salvation.
paul says that all have sinned and have gone short of of GOds groly.so widded was no ashamed to bring abroader perspective on how ellen white also struggled in her earlier years to be saved.
when we must accept this merit of salvation which we have been given freely.igot aclear picture on this how ishould gain confidence on the plan of GOd to redeem us.
there must be aclear distinction of working towards your salvation and working because of your salvation.
when jesus becomes our centre of focus,all writters accepted that GOD gave them anew look on salvation
Doctrine of Salvation
Reflection 2
There are many aspects to Salvation, as we have been discussing in class and as the reading this week proved.
In reading the article from the Biblical Research Institute I was reminded that though we need a view of salvation that encompasses all of Scripture, we must remain scriptural. The idea of God’s salvation being given to all in a legal way seems somewhat appealing, and yet it seems to me to instantly lead to the idea that God won’t let anyone choose to be punished, that all will be saved, which of course does not match the Bible at all. I think that the picture represented in the Bible and brought out in this article is of course the best picture. That our salvation has both a legal and experiential aspect which is we gain when we believe and receive salvation from God, who died for all people and wants that all will take his salvation, but he does not force that salvation on anyone in any way. That is the God that I know and the salvation that he offers, free to all who will accept it.
I appreciated the chapter on Ellen Whites teachings about Salvation before 1888. She had a very balanced view of salvation. The book presented some to make claims about what she taught, which she does not get away from even today, that were untrue. But she proudly held up Jesus as her Lord and Savior and also did not back down on the point that Jesus changes us into His obedient children. I appreciate the balance that I saw from her in responding to others’ claims.
Romans chapter two seemed to me to focus on the fact that saved people keep the law. But I love the last little part where Paul points out that saved people keep the law from their hearts and not from outward forces. Paul of course is making his point here to lead his readers to realize that they are not saved and make them want salvation. I think it is important for people to realize where they are and where the goal is if they are to decide to move toward God. That is what Paul is doing in this chapter
Reflection # 1
Romans chapter 1 includes two verses that I am committed to memory for quite some time now. In Verse 16 Paul is talking about not being ashamed of the gospel (Power of Christ to save), because it is the power of salvation for everyone who believes. This verse has long been what I might say a motto for me. I’ve always greatly admired Paul for his great commitment to God; striving to finish the race while throwing off everything that hinders. Reading this verse again, a new thought came to mind; was Paul ever ‘ashamed’ of the gospel in maybe a way that many of us might have been at one time or another? I’m sure most people have encountered the ‘praying at the restaurant table’ dilemma. Was Paul every ‘ashamed’ of the gospel in a way such as this? I actually don’t think so, for the rest of the verse speaking about his assurance of the gospel being able to bring salvation to anyone who is willing clearly speaks to a great and well embraced understanding of his identity in Christ both in the time of his writing and at the time of Jesus’ 2nd coming. Now there’s a run on sentence if I ever saw one. That verse speaks so much to me about how Paul is so devoted to God’s calling that there is nothing about it that he is ‘ashamed’ about!
The 2nd verse that I enjoy from the 1st chapter of Romans is verse 20. Within this verse Paul explains how there won’t be a single person who has lived on the earth who will be able to say that they didn’t have a fair chance at Salvation. This of course explains how there will be people in heaven whom Mrs. White says that haven’t heard the name of Jesus. It speaks to the graciousness of loving kindness of our God. And that’s even after nature itself has suffered from the consequences of Adam’s fall. So if nature can speak of God even after suffering the effects of sin, what must it have looked like before?
My reflection has dwelt mainly with the reading of Romans. Was it because maybe I was tired when reading Whidden’s book and the BRI paper, or my thoughts wanted to wonder? I read the first couple chapters in the book, and the 1st BRI paper. Whidden seemed to want to establish his prerogative to answer the many questions that have surfaced over the years concerning Mrs. White’s view of Salvation. But I did enjoy the ‘reality check’ he brought, simply meaning that Mrs. White was a human who went through a ‘conversion’ experience which in turn grew throughout her life, am I’m looking forward to reading on to see the development of that experience.
Concerning the BRI article, I seem to remember that a couple points were hammered over and over. That being, even though we weren’t ‘present’ in Adam when he sinned, we now inherit his sinful character and propensity. And also, even though we weren’t ‘present’ in ‘Adam’ when he accepted the gift of a 2nd chance we have the same opportunity! Enough said for now!!
The article “Adam and the Human Race in the Writings of E. G. White”
“Ellen White on Salvation, chap 1& 2
Class discussion.
Romans 1
Class discussion.
Reflection Paper 2
THST 540
9/8/08
David Hamstra
The class lecture and discussion this week brought out the importance of defining the meaning of theological terms and not being complicit in the use of theological clichés as shibboleths to determine who’s in and who’s out. Even biblical statements such as “salvation by faith” can be used in a ‘salvation by phrase’ manner where the act of repeating the words is equated with the experience of salvation. I look forward to exploring the breadth and meaning of these phrases in future classes
In Romans 2 Paul levels the salvation playing field between the people of God and everyone else by showing that we are both stand in need of salvation from condemnation according to what has been revealed to us. Circumcision was the mark of belonging to God’s people, and Paul says that when God’s people break His law their circumcision, contrary to outward appearances, becomes uncircumcision (v. 25). And conversely, when the person who has no contact with God’s people keeps the Law that is in his heart (v. 15) contrary to outward appearances, she becomes a part of God’s people (v. 26).
I found it the Chapter 3 in EGW on Salvation particularly interesting in regard to the 1883 General Conference, which Whidden calls “Minneapolis before Minneapolis” (27). I was not aware of this development in her views before 1888.
The BRI document “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal ‘Legal’ Justification” is a good treatment of that particular claim of the 1888 Message Study Committee but was not of particular interest to me as I have never found their claims compelling. Nevertheless, it had some good exegesis and analysis of biblical theology regarding some passages that could be potentially confusing and would be a helpful resource for someone facing questions about 1888 MSC claims.
REFLECTION PAPER 2
Reading Romans and other material, I become more and more confused. I think God gave us a very simple truth but because of our disability we make it harder and harder. This time all three material talk about justification, keeping law, and legalism.
First, in Romans 2 28-29, it says “A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.” I think this is the answer for whole arguments on the law and legalism. If we just keep the law and get circumcised physically not spiritually, that cannot make us children of God. And another thing that I want to highlight here is this verse, “God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.(v.24)” Jews thought circumcision and keeping the law could save themselves and this thought made the Gentiles regard God as nothing. Jews didn’t proclaim who God is to others. I want to say that this is happening in Adventism now. Even though we say we believe God and we get saved only through Christ, other denominations still look at us legalists. I think we should think why.
In the article, Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal ‘Legal’ Justification, the author dealt with many verses and compared many concepts but for me, it seemed that there was one theme which was justification by faith. And to grasp the true meanings of the sensitive verses, we should see bigger context all the time. I was so impressed from the interpretation of the verse Romans 5:16. Adam brought one sin but Christ brought sufficient justification for multitude of sins. That is, Christ already paid all the debt and we just should believe it.
Thankful to Ellen White, I am sure that I can say this but I could fully understand what legalism and justification by faith are. We keep the law but to keep it does not save us. It looks very simple and clear but many people still try to be perfect keeping the law. I am so happy that God gave us Ellen White and her writings.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 02
THST 540 – 09/09/08
Whidden presents an interesting view on Ellen White's approach to the challenges she was faced with – whether she was faced with unbalanced fundamentalists and had to defend the true Biblical standards, or faced with others in need of her gentle, loving, and affirming nature. In both cases, however, she is fully energized with a peaceful and confident revelation based on the Scripture. She comes to categorically define justification by faith in response, not only to the events of her time, but also to a discussion that is far from reaching a conclusion.
Kane sheds light on the nature of justification, and its value for us today. I found that the use of Zec. 3 was a great example proving, in my opinion, that justification by faith is a constant presence in all Scripture. I also believe that that idea is found throughout the Bible and is a fundamental underlying idea found in of most of our Doctrines. I agree with the authors idea that justification by faith should not be a doctrine by itself, hence another reason for the existence of the Bible itself.
In the second chapter of Romans, what appeals most to me is the concept of God working in our hearts, and whether we choose to acknowledge Him or not. In my opinion, Paul calls each one of us to introspectively analyse ourselves in order to prepare the reader for the definition of Justification of faith in the coming chapter. I found verse 4 to be the key that opens up a much wider definition of God's work in our heart. Paul points out that God is the source for true repentance and inner transformation. I believe that this proves why humanity has no other viable solution but to put full trust in the unique power of God for salvation.
Adam and the Human Race.
The natural tendency to sin is straight from birth as our inheritance from Adam’s fall. Born bad, I have often used the example of a baby to demonstrate this- a baby is consistently selfish, he/she is never concerned about another. But the baby is only concerned with his/her own needs, and wants. When the baby does not get the need or want, there is much angst on the parent or caretaker’s part attempting to pacify the infant. The infant must be taught to consider others, and to deny self. This takes years, and we still need lessons in this from various mediums, Bible, Spirit, friends, family, or life in general. All the while death looms over us like a plague or black cloud. But there is hope, in Christ Jesus.
This is concurrent with Romans chapter three. The natural tendency is to drift away, or “turn” away from the path of redemption.
As we live our daily lives on this earth quiet often times we hear people blaming God for their tragedy or their misfortune. Many turn to God when things are not going according to their directions.
Romans chapter 1 beginning with verse 18, Paul talks about God’s wrath against mankind. When we picture God, we picture Him as loving, kind, gracious and so on, but beginning with verse 18; “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.”
After reading the first chapter of book of Romans I can once again realize that God may brought wrath against mankind, but really, it was people and their behavior that brought wrath against themselves.
God doesn’t to see His people suffer, we call God as our father, and no father wants to see their children suffer. But sometimes the father doesn’t have any choice but to punish his child for their behavior.
In verse 21; “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.” And verse 32; “although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”
They knew about God and they deliberately rejected Him and as a result their foolish hearts were darkened and did evil things.
God had to bring wrath against mankind, but our gracious God didn’t stop there, He planned a way for them to turn back so they too can be saved. He gave them the gift of salvation. Because of Adam and Eve’s sin, we had no hope of eternal life, but Jesus our gracious God, stood between God and human being and gave us hope.
After reading Romans chapter 1 I can see the sadness of God as He brings wrath on his people.
We need to thank God daily for His mercy and grace even when we are in turmoil.
To start with, Paul’s indictment of the Jews behavior is something that all people who call themselves believers ought to take seriously. With the inherent joy that comes from knowing Jesus and experiencing His salvation there also comes a great temptation to downplay others’ faith-walk and compare them to our lofty sense of right standing. I love how Paul turns it all around on the Jews by telling them that, though they have the law, the Gentiles even apart from the law become true law-keepers when they do what the law requires—faith and trust. As someone pointed out in class, Paul is using New Covenant language here—it is written in their hearts.
With the BRI article, I found the theology and systematic direction that Kane went in was completely bulletproof. I think it is rather absurd to even begin to think that people can have some type of right standing with God without some type of heart change. It should be obvious to all that, even though all have a propensity to sin now because of Adam’s sin brought that to us, not all are going to be saved through Christ but those who believe.
With the Whiddon article, I am so thankful to Jesus first and EG White second (she did have to accept the path that Christ put her on) for the refreshing treatment on justification by faith that she so soundly wrote and believed in. Her writings truly are a blessing to this movement.
Analysis of the Doctrine of
Universal "Legal" Justification
Larry J. Kane
The author did a thorough examination of the concept of Legal Justification, addressing the question, was every human being legally justified when Jesus died on Calvary. Does this mean that people are exempt from keeping God’s commandments because Christ died for all? In class we also attempted to understand the relationship between two seemingly contradicting texts, Rom 2:13 and Rom 3: 28, where one says the “doers of the law shall be justified” and the other states that “ a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” Careful study of these texts in light of the whole concept of Justification or Salvation will reveal that these texts are not contradictory but complimentary. The author showed that Objective and Subjective justification are both active in the process of salvation. There is a righteousness which comes without the deeds of the law. That’s when we accept the righteousness of Christ by faith, as is revealed in Rom 3: 22, but one thing to remember is that righteousness or justification by faith “will never excuse transgression”, such is Ellen Whites language when commenting on this subject. She said “salvation by obedience to the law is impossible, but salvation without obedience is also just as impossible.” ST, July 18 1878. We see these concepts complimenting each other to redeem a person from past sins, and motivate the same to new life in Jesus. We are saved by the merits of Christ alone but those same merits will motivate us to live our lives in accordance to His law. Faith is the key here, faith which works by love, Gal 5:6. Rom 3: 22 adds the clause that the righteousness by faith is “upon all that believe.”
The author clearly showed that God lovingly initiated the salvation of man, and so all that’s left if for man to respond that life will be transformed. Praise God for his love and mercy.
Just wanted to comment on Wendy's paper. I appreciate you highlighting the need to depend on Christ to overcome our defects of character, emanating from a weak nature we inherited from Adam. I have realized that in my own life that its difficult to make some of the simplest decisions, to do good. It sure takes an effort on my part, and I praise the Lord for his mercy. Thank you for highlighting that dependency on Christ. May I also comment on what you said about not believing that we need to know the gospel to be saved. Just a little thought process here, i think we need to believe the gospel to be saved. Now the question is, can we believe in something we don't know? I think you would agree that its is difficult. John 17:3 talks about know God and Jesus Christ as eternal life. Knowing the gospel will lead us to a relationship with Christ. I don't think the amount of knowledge matters, but knowing him, from the gospel, how ever much, is important. What do you think?
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper #2
09/09/08
After we saw that the Gentiles are in sin, Paul in chapter 2 explain that the Jews are also condemned because of their sins and unbelief in the Gospel. The religion at this point it has been devolved into a system of salvation by works. They believed that in what the eye can see and in keeping the law of Moses they could gain salvation. The Jews had much pride in the fact that they kept the letter of this law according to their traditions. They did not understand that the Law did not save them from sin and that justification only came by faith in God, demonstrated by obedience, not by law keeping.
In the article “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal ‘Legal’ Justification” a number of Bible passages are cited as reference for the doctrine of universal justification and God's initiative for the salvation of men. This article show that God has done and is doing everything possible to lead us to salvation without taking our freedom. We must not question or fear no more God’s intentions because he wants reconciliation for us.
Chapter 3 from Ellen White on salvation show the balanced view which she had regarding justification and perfection, giving also a correct understanding of justification and perfection. In her view this two must be distinguished but not separated. As we discussed in class we can not reduce salvation only to justification or only to sanctification or glorification. Salvation is all three, and all three are distinct but not separated.
In all God is the beginning and the end, He is our savior and in Him we must put our faith.
Comment of David's Hamstra's Reflection Paper 2
I wholeheartedly agree that it is very important for us to define theological terms and not settle for theological cliches to communicate a our thoughts or ideas on salvation.
In addition, regarding your reflection on Romans 2, it reminds me of our church, and how many of us think that because we attend church on Sabbath and Wednesday night prayer meeting (outward appearances) we are "saved." However, all too often we forget what Paul talks about in Romans 2.
Furthermore, I never heard of the 1888 Message Study Committee claims prior to this class, but considering I've never thought this hard about the doctrine of salvation makes the issue that much more interesting to me.
As I was reading Kane’s article on Universal salvation, I jotted down questions that came to mind about the word “faith” and how “faith” was being used and defined by Paul in Romans 2 and Kane, and I was pleased that there was harmony between Kane’s explanation of faith and Paul. While reading Romans 2, I felt that Paul was telling the legalists (both then and now) that salvation is a matter of the heart, and only God can judge a man’s heart.
I was not aware of the doctrine of “Universal Legal Justification” until I read this article. And after reading about the claims of the proponents of “Universal Legal Justification,” I am reminded of the need to study and analyze the scriptures for myself so that I have an understanding of what God requires of me. In addition, I have the responsibility of making sure that when I speak about salvation to others who don’t know God and/or those who do not have a grasp of the Word, that I lead them to truth, the Word of God, and let the Holy Spirit transform their heart and provide the light and intelligence to understand the scriptures.
In class, we started our discussion by reviewing Romans 2:13 and deduced from that verse that inward obedience will result in outward obedience. In Ellen White on Salvation, I found this statement “Christ’s power to inspire and produce obedience” that surmised the same theme described above. In my opinion, that’s what happens when we believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and shed His blood for the remission of our sins. Accepting Christ’s story, His lifestyle, His character, and His mission as truth will produce obedience. I enjoy reading Whidden’s book, because it sheds light on Ellen White’s challenges to develop an accurate and true meaning of salvation and justification. In addition, the stories Whidden chose to share gives us some insight as to what members of the church and those outside the church are struggling with as it relates to sin and salvation.
I have been intrigued in the topic of Faith and Works as they connect with the topic of salvation. I love what Galations 5:6 says “…The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.” When God says that the law is written in our hearts, I believe this is what He was talking about. Love really is the basis for all. Through true love for Christ we find our faith and through that faithful love we are set free from the law. Our lives will naturally follow Christ’s teachings if our heart is set on Christ. “Faith works through love and waits in hope.” We often speak of faith and works and debate the salvation by works or faith issue. Through this quote I believe all is answered. Love is the central theme here. Without love there is no faith, which produces work and without love we have no hope. When we understand the love of Christ our faith is restored and we find hope in our lives. This hope is found in Romans 3:22-24. We have all sinned, but Christ died for us all. This is His grace for us, and is our hope in Him, which is salvation. Will we accept His grace? This is the power of free will that He has given us. Its up to us to take a stand for Christ through our love and devotion for Him.
It is comforting like Tiago was saying about what Whidden wrote on EGW on salvation, that “EGW struggled with the same things that people of her time did – suffering, loss, struggles with her relationship and the assurance of God. She struggled with the understanding the primary bases of sanctification and perfection. She was constantly and consistently growing – just as we are today.” EGW was human and thus was not perfect as it says in Romans 3“no one is righteous, not even one.” If we were perfect and righteous, would we have needed Jesus? His death would have been pointless, for he died for our imperfections and our unrighteousness. This was his grace which is still at work in our lives and will be manifested in the second coming of Christ in which we will be renewed in Christ.
It appears that universal justification is being misused by many to cover their sins but from the document “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal "Legal" Justification” I can deduce that it is wrong. Neither any group of people has the express way this justification. We cannot be able to keep the law in order to be justified but we should remember the sacrificial death of the sinless Christ, as guilty man's substitute, which fully satisfies the penalty of the law. That is why Paul emphatically states that the Jews possess no moral superiority over the Gentiles for they all are under sin, so they not boast. Because all men, of all races and creeds, have sinned under God's law and it is God who can deliver us in order to be justified. Through him we have access to justification..Any assertion that the justification described in Romans 3:24 is a universal "legal" justification, imputed without condition of faith, is wrong impression which we should be careful at all cost.
I also appreciate the spirited campaign Paul is putting to the Jews in Romans 2. Their traditions cannot justify them to pass judgment to Gentiles. God himself has a right to pass a righteous judgment. Then sins of Adam were transmitted to all and it is only Christ who can offer a perfect sacrifice to cleanse us all and consequently justify us.
Likewise history repeats itself in the sense that Whidden II shades more light on how people were emphasizing holiness of life on others yet they were also sinners. But in interestingly it was fanaticism which even Ellen White refuted. That is why she declared that salvation by obedience to the law is impossible but we are justified only by faith in the merits of Christ but we should not continue to transgress the law. Jesus loves us all without boundaries so we should extent the gesture to others since all of us have sinned and it is Christ who will assist to gain justification.
REFLECTION PAPER 2
Reflecting on Romans 2, the Apostle Paul is helping us to know how fair God is in His judgment of man’s ignorance and inconsistency. One major point that stands out in my reading of this chapter is that the Apostle condemned the boastful of the Jews in their knowledge of the law and treated it as a mean of Salvation. However it’s good to know that the Apostle is not condemning the law or the obedience to the law but the attitudes of the people towards the law which occupied the position of the Savior in their heart. Interestingly, Ellen G White the decade before 1888 in her ministry encountered the same issues in which she condemned not only those who “assent to holiness life” through self righteousness but also those who were in the other extreme denouncing the law of God. I think Ellen G White was biblical in her stand, as evident in the Paul’s epistles he never denounce the law of God neither he entertained the idea of self righteous or keeping the law as a mean of salvation.
BRI document by Angel Manuel Rodriguez [JUSTIFICATION AND THE CROSS] is interesting in his explanation of how the result of Adam sin not because [Rom 5] brings death [physical or spiritual] to man. Therefore man is in need of a Savior because nothing whatsoever a can do to save himself for we are sinful by nature. Rodriguez’s distinction of the “Gift” and the “Trespass” in Roman 5: 15 is awesome in a way, that it present the gift of Salvation through the death Christ is much more than the trespass by Adam which caused death. But interestingly, this grace is not enforced upon the man, unlike the result of Adam’s sin; but it’s a personal decision. God still respect our freedom to choose our ways. Rodriguez other document [COMMENT ON “IN ADAM / IN CHRIST” MOTIF] is an eye opener to the distinction of these small words which makes a lot of theological differences. After reading Rodriguez’s two materials really helps me to understand some of the concepts in the book of Romans. In conclusion, our class discussions really relates to all these readings not only Scripture but Ellen White, the Mystery of Salvation is so complex; people even myself is confused with the difficulty in some of the areas of the mystery of Salvation. It is right when we concluded our last week’s class that we need to look at Salvation from every perspective and keep an open mind about concepts but must be what the Bible says instead of what other sources have said about Salvation.
Reflection #2
It seems like in Romans chapter 2 Paul addresses people as Hippocrates. He condemns them for judging others while they themselves are no better. Chapter 2:2; Paul says; “now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth, so when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?” Then Paul goes on to saying that in verse 6; “God will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life, but for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
Paul stresses very much on their behaviors. Live righteously, and not condemn others. It feels like he is talking about the importance of justification by works, but in the article it mentions the verse in Romans 3:20; “by deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.”
I may be far off but I think Paul is stressing the importance of both. Good deed is as important as strong faith.
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Reflection #2
From reading Woodrow Whidden, it is clear that as spiritual babes and even as adults that there can and almost assuredly be a point in your life where the assurance of salvation will come into question in a believers mind. This is evident in the reading of chapter two of “Ellen White on Salvation”. That event the most translated female American author, Prophetess, and great leader of the Adventist church at a point in her life questioned whether or not her “second blessing” or salvation was assured. This is a major topic that has confounded Christians for centuries and the key is as simple, if it is truly that simple, as the entire surrender to God.This ties in perfectly with Romans 2 because it talks about the righteous judgment of God the exact thing that young Ellen White was afraid of in the first place that eventually lead her to the assurance of salvation in the sanctification process. Romans 2:4 tells us that, “Do you not realize that God’s kindness is meant to lead us to repentance?” I can only imagine what this text would have meant for her if she would have read it when she was going through her ordeal.
Michael Olaye
Reflection Paper 2
I have tried to tie together Romans 2, chapter 2 of Ellen White and Salvation, and Kane’s article “Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal “Legal” Justification.” I will summarize and synchronize each the best way I know how.
In Romans 2, Paul tells his audience that they should not judge anyone because they themselves are sinners. He states that God is the judge of us all. He also begins to set up Romans 3, which states that all (Jews and Gentiles) have sinned and come short of God’s glory but by His grace, we all are saved. He goes about this by pointing out that Jews and Gentiles are equal before God.
In the chapter from our book, Whidden makes some really interesting observations about Ellen White’s struggle with sanctification, which is found in Early Writings. He states that she came from an era where the sanctification process was taught to be instant. He draws the conclusion that this experience was wrong and Ellen White admitted so herself.
Kane’s article deals with the discussion held by our church in 1888 regarding the subject of legal justification or universal justification by faith. In this committee, they struggled over the idea of whether or not biblical justification is imparted or imputed. It was concluded that it was both. Waggoner and White agree that what Paul recorded in Romans 3 supports Christ’ plan of salvation for each of us.
Comment on Kolia Afamasaga’s 2nd reflection paper
May be English is my second language sometimes it’s hard for me describe something in English but when I read Kolia Afamasaga’s paper I felt relieved. Thank you for that.
I found two well written sentences. First one is “attitudes of the people towards the law which occupied the position of the Savior in their heart.” This is very true. Their attitudes towards the law replaced the position.
Secondly, “keep an open mind about concepts but must be what the Bible says instead of what other sources have said about Salvation.” We always look for who said what. But we should go back to the Bible.
Reflection Paper #2 (Week Ending September 06, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
From the BRI, the debate regarding justification and righteousness by faith continues. After reading the article, I realize that the author (Kayne) sought to point out some drawbacks regarding the way Waggoner presented his hermeneutical understanding and presentation of justification by faith. For me, reading the article required a great deal of concentration and I really wouldn’t recommend that article to persons that do not have a full understanding of Justification in particular and Salvation in General.
Whidden in chapter three of his book seem to continue where he left off the previous week regarding E.G. White and sanctification. From the chapter, I sense that Ellen White’s understanding and emphasis of justification sharpened and consequently, she had a lot of counsel to give on the subject. In particular, after being hurled by constant attack regarding man’s incapability of keeping the law and that one ought to only believe, she emphasized the saving grace of Christ’s which when believers accept it; it should prompt them to obeying it’s requirements.
I like the psychological battle between Paul and his opposers, (the Judaisers) in Romans chapter 2. Like E.G. White, he presents Christ’s work of salvation in a balanced way so that it does not matter one’s status, God is no respecter of persons. He meets them on their own ground (circumcision) and confounds them with his rhetoric reasoning.
Reflection # 2
I found several points of interest and contemplation throughout this reading. When reading through the BRI article, I must admit, that I had not really heard of the ‘Universal Judgment’ theory. Of course I was very familiar with the supporting verses from Romans 6 which speak about how sin came to the world through man, likewise Righteousness by one man (Christ). However, I had never given much pondering to the thought process of “Universal Legal Justification”, which is the result of a thought process where you deduce that “Universal Legal Justification” is the natural conclusion to the verses speaking about one man’s actions, both before and after sin. Although now as I think about it, I remember many years ago a preacher speaking to this nature. He was saying how it’s very hard to be lost, for in fact we are already saved. He continued by saying that in order to be lost you have to make a conscious choice against Christ, that our names are written in the ‘Book of Life’ when we are born. And that it’s our choice to have them taken out if we choose against Christ. Interesting thoughts, I’m appreciating having the opportunity to do this reading.
There is one part of Romans 2 that I really like. It is from verse 4 where it says “…not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?” I have seen this in my ministry and in my own life. For brain intellect and knowledge, although beneficial, isn’t always that effective in leading someone to Christ. What really speaks to a person is the ‘kindness of God’.
In following on the same theme as the last paragraph I would like to add a quote from the BRI article. It quotes Mrs. White as saying, “man cannot reasonably doubt God's initiative and ever active purpose in accomplishing the salvation of His people. God has not lacked for initiative-far from it. The truth revealed in Scripture is that God has done as much as divinely possible to lead His creatures to salvation without overruling their freedom of choice.” And that is the great news that we get to share with others!
Romans Ch. 2
Whidden Ch. 3
BRI Article: Analysis of the Doctrine of Universal "Legal" Justification
Name: Rosana Joel
Reflection Paper 2
Topic: How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible?
So often we as Christian we do give up when it come to the issue of how can we attain the perfection in the sight of God? This is and will be an issue of eternity, as long as man lives. As Paul eludes it in Romans 7, that as much as we try to think to do good, we find doing wrong, humanity reaches a point of giving up. But the history of salvation has such encouraging themes that need to enable on to hang on. Statements like; “God's method of salvation is not eradication of a sinful nature, but the counteraction of divine power through the Holy Spirit,” need to encourage us to firmly trust in the Lord for we are sure of the salvation at the end. In class we did touch the facet of being right with God and this is only through Jesus.
The Bible in totality has some encouraging message pertaining our salvation. It does tell us how we can be saved and who is to save, when did the process begun and when it shall end and this for sure is a word of hope to all. We should know that surrendering to Christ is not necessarily the eradication of sinful nature to our lives. Heppenstall frame it this way, “It is fatal to believe that if only we become totally surrendered to Christ, that the sinful nature is eradicated. The law of sin and death is still operating within us.” In this context we should be aware that as much as we live in this world sin is with us, but if we surrender to Christ then we should worry for the future because it is well taken care of.
The coming of Christ into the world in order to save mankind is an indication that man has no authority over sin. This implies that humanity needed a higher power to eradicate the problem and that is Christ. Heppenstall clarify the issue in this manner, “Salvation in Christ alone means that the bias to sin in human nature is too strong and overwhelming to be dealt with apart from moment by moment trusting in Christ and in His power to save.”
Hence the theme of Christian Perfectionism is to be dealt in a manner that we are to depend on God to perfect us. Only through the continual, day by day operation of the Holy Spirit is our sinful nature counteracted. Let us not denial our state for if we do so the remedy may be far from us. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10)
Yes we are sinners saved by the precious blood of Christ and in that realm we shall be perfected when this mortality shall be changed to immortality. Never more shall we be at the crossroads. Believe in the concept of saving God and live assured that at the right time we shall be perfect.
Doctrine of Salvation
Reflection 3
The class discussion this week included a long discussion of God’s foreknowledge and predestination compared to our freedom. I think that the thing that stood out from me in the whole discussion is that the big problem that we face, the question that we have trouble answering is a philosophical question of how God can know and yet we are still free, but God never promised to answer all of our philosophical questions. We need to look for the Bible’s view of salvation and take the rest of faith.
It seemed to me that Paul’s main point in Romans 3 is that we all are sinners and that we all need Jesus to save us. All of his past argument so far has been leading up to this conclusion, that none of us are good enough on our own. Even those who know the law can’t keep it to their salvation. That is not the law’s purpose. But we are saved through Christ.
I really appreciated this chapter in Whiddon’s book. The description of Ellen White’s personal testimony about her need for the Savior and how she wished she had followed him more closely resounded with me. I know what she meant. To only live in a manner totally worthy of God, that is the goal. But we all fall short of that as Paul pointed out and so we must look to the wonderful loving savior who cares for us.
The article from the biblical research center seemed to be discussing the same basic thing as last week and that is that the Bible and in this case, Ellen White did not teach that Jesus work of salvation for us did not lead to a justification of all people in the world without the need for individual response. It is important to remember that we have a part to play in accepting what Christ did on the cross and allowing Him to appropriate that to our lives. This article was somewhat redundant to what we read last week, but still had a good point.
Reflection Paper #3
Rodriguez wrote a brief article about Christ’s objective and subjective act of salvation but actually this is the core of redemption. Christ saved the world. This phrase is true and untrue at the same time. Christ won against Satan and gave everyone the chance to get redeemed. But to get saved is up to individuals either accepting the gift or not.
Ellen White was a prophet and including me so many people think she was different from us. She was closer to perfection and had different level of religious life. But when we read her personal struggling, we feel that she needed Jesus like us. She said, “We are not perfect...We need His Spirit and His grace every hour.” Paradoxically speaking, no one can be perfect without Jesus and even prophets are nothing different from us if they lose the connection with God. So to talk about perfectionism is for me a desk theory.
Lastly, Romans 3 is talking about keeping the law and getting saved. But in the class we talked about foreknowledge and predestination. And the conclusion was that even though Christ knows possibilities and actualities He doesn’t take action according to our behavior. He waits for a long time. In Romans 3: 24, it says “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Before we talk about predestination and other themes we have to know and understand how much God loves us and He wants to save us. Then we will not misunderstand about foreknowledge and predestination.
Romans 3:23,24 a verse that most of us know; "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
We are all sinners but Christ saved the human race.
we use and hear the word "save" many times as we live our lives. In this life the word "save" is only temporal, we can rescue and save someone out of the water from drawning. But that person was saved only temporary, that person will eventually die in the end.
When Christ "save" the human race, the word "save" is no longer temporal, it is now eternal, and that is something we have to be thankful for as we live our daily lives.
From the article by Angel Manuel Rodriguez, one of the most important key words in the article is "acceptance"
We have been given freedom by God from the beginning, and now we have a choice whether to accept God or not.
In class we talked about issus such as our freedom, God who is all knowing and about predestination. Even though God knows the future, it is not God making the choices, but we are. He knows what kind of choices we will make. Whether to reach out to Him or not.
Just like the drawning person has the freedom to reach out to be rescued we have the freedom to reach out to God, by having faith and living righteously.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 03
THST 540 – 09/16/08
In his article, Angel Manuel Rodriguez Rodriguez was able to accurately define something that has been wrongly understood in the messages expressed by Ellen G. White: the true definition of Christ as the Saviour of the human race. I enjoyed the way in which he separated Redemption into five points. The point I enjoyed the most was the definition of possession gained by Christ in this Earth. Another interesting point was how Rodriguez explains the way in which Christ fulfilled universal justice, since this tends to be a controversial point.
Whidden is also enjoyable, most especially the way that he is able to describe the spiritual tensions that affected Ellen White. To me, one of the most interesting details in this book so far is the fact that Whidden is able to make Ellen White fully human and living under the same circumstances we all experiment still on a day to day basis. This is an image that is not always clear behind her Victorian literary style. To me, the fact that I am now able to see her as more human does not make her inspiration any less credible – in fact, totally the opposite.
I believe that in the third chapter of Romans, Paul places Jews and Gentiles on the same level by proclaiming God as being above any minor human difference. At the same time, he defines the law and how it articulates with justification by faith. He shows how they work together: faith as the channel through which we receive Gods grace, and the law as the mirror of our own condition and deep need for Christ. Further explanation on this point occurs in the following chapters.
I thought that the BRI article “Christ Saved the World” was informative on showing that Ellen White in no way ever wrote of a universal legal justification. I understand where this viewpoint is coming from, but it’s just not so. This is another way of trying to fit the Bible into one’s paradigm of thinking to give assurance. The problem is that we as a people have forgotten that it is grace through FAITH that we are saved. We live in a culture that wants what it wants NOW—instant gratification. This extends into the many ways we “worship” as well as fanatical views such as this universal legal justification. We have forgotten the way of faith—BELIEVE that Christ died for you and then you don’t need to invent ways to be assured.
I very much enjoyed the article in Whidden’s book. James White was a great man who saw exactly where the church was heading. What he said is what we need more of—preach Christ, preach Christ, and preach Christ crucified. Once again, I’m struck by the amazing depth of love for Christ she lived. That is true Christianity—truly desiring Christ to be in every facet of our lives. This went well with reading Romans 3 and that it’s not just the Gentiles, not just the Jews, but all are sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God. The wonderful news is, though, that Christ has not left us there!
S. Michael Olaye
Reflection Paper #3
Chapter 3 of Whidden’s book covers Ellen White’s development of justification a decade before the General Conference session in Minneapolis in 1888. The author reveals to us instances where Mrs. White is addressing people who don’t have a complete biblical understanding of justification. I find it interesting because it was under similar circumstances that led Angel Rodriguez to write his article entitled “Comments on 1 Timothy 4:10”. Although different angles are addressed in each, Ellen White on holiness fanaticism and Rodriguez on who receives salvation, they both reveal the importance of knowing the justification and perfectionism and how the right view affects the church.
In Romans 3, Paul lets us know that we are justified only through faith in Jesus Christ. To me, I feel this validates the article written by Rodriguez. I also feel that this is what Ellen White was trying to teach in the General Conference sessions and in her articles found in Signs. The lecture last week dealt with the idea of absolute freedom and weather or not God knows every possibility and actuality and how important human decision-making is involved. I feel the most important decision is weather or not we will accept Christ as our Savior and remain justified through faith
Kurtley Knight
09/16/08
3rd Reflection Paper
In his article Christ Saved the Human Race, Angel Rodriquez delicately handles the topic of Ellen White and her views on how Jesus saved the human race at the cross. I wasn’t aware that this was a major topic of concern, yet this article helped clear up some issues for me. My first reaction to some of Mrs. Whites quotes listed here were difficult from me to swallow. The question that still remains for me however is simple: If Christ has the “deed of possession” and has “the right to claim his property” then what happens to all of those who were before the cross? I’m sure Mrs. White probably shares this in her writings at some point but still there must be inquiry because they are not stated here. In other words, sure Abraham, David, and others will make it into the Kingdom by faith but how does she and we explain that if Christ did not hold the deed at that time? Furthermore, how is it that Elijah, Moses, and Enoch were translated without the deep possessing of the cross? How does she explain this and where?
The Chapter, “The Decade Before 1888” was also quite helpful in seeing Mrs. White as a balanced crusader. It’s comforting to know that Mrs. White attempted to be balanced in her understanding of Scripture. Again however, Whidden demonstrates that Ellen White continued to grow in her understanding and her possessions. This teaches us a important lesson about revelation and inspiration.
Paul in Romans 3 is really speaking against Jewish elitism in regards to the place of the law. The verse that jumps out at me is v.27 “Then what becomes of boasting? It is excluded. By what law? By that of works? No, but by the law of faith.” The Jews thought that they were the children of God because they had the law. Paul essentially says there is no room for boasting in regards to one’s religious standing. A lesson we would be careful to learn today.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 3
THST 540 – 09/16/08
In the BRI article Angel Manuel Rodriguez gives clarification about human race salvation by Christ. Indeed through His death Christ saved the whole human race, but not in the sense that we must not do anything from now because Christ has done for us everything. The idea is that the human race was “legally saved at the cross”, which means that Christ paid through His death what we supposed to pay. So Christ died for us so we can be saved, but we must accept His death and Him in our life if we want to be saved. Christ did everything possible that we might be saved and now we must choose if we want or not to be saved, believing in Him.
Chapter 3 from Romans is talking about justification, and it says that we are justified by faith and the evidence of this faith is seen in our works. The Law is the standard of God's perfect righteousness which man must have in order to be with God forever. This is impossible for man to have. So this gift of salvation comes through Christ by a moment of faith in Him so we can be justified.
Even Ellen White testifies that she does not claim “infallibility, or even perfection of Christian character” and the fact that she could followed Christ more closely. Only Christ among all men was perfect and kept the law without spot and and this together with His death gave the possibility to the human race to be reconciled with God.
Christ Saved the Human Race
I think the case in defense of Ellen White’s view on the salvation of the human race was well put by the author. Her view in saying that Christ saved the world when he died as an atoning sacrifice for man’s sins does not mean that the human race is now exempt from obedience to the requirements of God’s law. We are not saved simply because Christ died for us and paid the ransom for sin, but we will be saved because we accept that salvation. Accepting it, in essence, means to conform our lives to the principles of righteousness that are imbedded in the complete model of salvation. Woodrow W. Whidden also highlights Ellen White’s true stance pertaining to Christ’s work on the cross and summarized it thus “the bottom line is that obedience is possible, but it is always associated with a just and loving acceptance.” Ellen White said in MB 116 “But that which God required of Adam in paradise before the fall he requires in the age of the world from those who would follow him, perfect obedience to his law.” “Every man that has this hope on him (of seeing Christ as he is) purifies himself, just as he is pure. 1 John 3:3. So it’s true that Christ saved the world, but mankind has a responsibility to accept that salvation. It’s not a salvation that removes man’s responsibility to his maker and Savior neither is it because of that responsibility.
In class we discussed the doctrine of predestination, whether we all have been predestined to be saved, or God has a select few and the rest have been predestined to be lost. This teaching poses questions on free choice. Rom 8:29, 30 says “For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.” God’s foreknowledge works within the true model of salvation, not man’s limited model. So first of all, we must understand that Christ died that the whole world be saved. He made provision for us all, if we choose to. That’s one element that is ignored in this debate. Sure God knows all things, his omniscience sees all possibilities and actualities, but he does not infringe on our choice. God will appeal, He will give us the tools to work with to formulate our decision either for Him or not. Those who will be saved will be saved not because they were predestined to be saved but because they chose to, and those who will be lost, will be lost because they failed to choose salvation, not because thy were predestined to be doomed regardless what they do. Even though God knows who will be saved and who will be lost, He does not interfere with our decision making, he appeals to us but He does not force us to decide either for Him or not. So, the bottom line in all this is this, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16. And in response to this love, he says, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” John 14:15
Praise God for His message of salvation. The readings that I have done over the past few weeks are just now being reflected upon. My apologies for not posting sooner for no good excuse at all other than abject neglect.The readings that I have focused on have been the Roman Epistle, Whidden's book and the article entitled "Adam and the Human Race" from the BRI. Although I'd read the book of Romans many times before, I was now reading it from the perspective of what salvation looks like. And as a pharisee, Paul breaks it down for the church in Rome by systematically organizing the truth based on the transitional gospel from Mosaic tradition to"in Christ" status. The church at Rome had a special place in Paul's heart because of his longing to minister there, yet the controversies and the unique placement as the center of culture, lent itself to shaded theology and controversial teachings: basically Jews vs converted gentiles. Paul expresses the desire for all to feel their shame of sin (3:23) from this basis, all require redemption and all need reconciliation. This is elaborated on in the BRI article from the historical aspect of the fall and the various broken relationships that we now feel the effects of. The usurption of the adversary over Adam is pivotal to understanding man's standing within this cosmic struggle. And a key aspect of that struggle is understanding our connection with sin: "Adam disobeyed, and entailed sin upon his posterity" (MR vol 6 p 3). This unfortunate demise is relieved with the gospel news that "Christ was to take the wrath of God which in justice should have fallen upon man." (The Temptations of Christ in the Wilderness, p. 16.) Substitutionary atonement is at the heart of salvation's promise. Now in the early reading of Whidden's book, he describes how Ellen yearned for that assurance. An assurance promised to her in the methodist religion in the form of the second blessing, yet unfounded on scripture.
Have I yearned for that assurance? I believe that we all have and that it is a fine balance between repentance and conversion.
Reflection Paper #3
My readings and reaction to Romans led me to my research topic, specifically, Romans 3:3. I found myself wondering about the fate of unbelievers who have Christ-like characteristics and fruits of the Spirit, but don’t know and/or don’t have faith in Jesus Christ. As I continued to read, I thought of individuals in history that had “knowledge of sin” by the law, but because of the delivery of the message, the time period of that person’s life, and their “soil” they reject the message of salvation through Jesus Christ.
Next, I did not find the article by Rodriguez on salvation very insightful. I felt like he simplified a lot of issues pertaining to salvation and left me with many unanswered questions. For example, in his article he highlighted a few statements by Ellen White and made a conclusion that Christ’s death on the cross made it possible for humans to be united with God. When does the unification with God happen? Did it happen already? Is it a present state through our prayers and worship? Will this unification take place in the future during Christ’s second coming? What is the nature of this unification? In addition, Ellen White’s writings are normally clear and concise. Rodriguez took the liberty of interpreting several statements made by Ms. White without putting it in the proper context.
I enjoyed reading more about Ellen White and how authentic she was about expressing the short comings in her character. This weekend I went to Battle Creek’s Heritage Village and learned more about Ellen White and her family. I have a greater appreciation for her work.
Finally, I enjoy the depth of our dialogue in class. Although I felt a little overwhelmed, our dialogue forced me to take the time to understand God and understand the significance and the impact of my choices as it relates to my salvation.
Reflection Paper 3
THST 540
9/17/08
David Hamstra
In the lecture Dr. Hanna is addressed concepts we pay little attention to within Adventism, except when we want to dispute with our predestinarian friends. I believe the major difference between us can be understood as us basing our understanding of God’s predestination in terms of His foreknowledge and his calling in terms of his predestination, whereas they identify God’s predestination with his foreknowledge and His calling with his predestination. I suspect that interpreting the text as Dr. Hanna suggests could open the door to a more constructive theology of predestination, and I am looking forward to his explication of this in future lectures.
In Romans 3 Paul addresses the problem of how God can justify His people and condemn sinners when His people have failed to keep the law (v. 3) and the actions of sinners validate the righteousness of the law (vv. 5-7). The answer is that God has provided a way through faith in Jesus for both his people and for sinners to be made justified, so they do not need to rely on the law for merit (v. 27). This equal opportunity offer of salvation through the death of Christ in our place (v. 25) gives God the justification for justifying His people while condemning those who do not accept his grace through faith (v. 26). In this way, the Law and judgment are able to stand without accusation of unfairness (v. 31).
The BRI document by Rodriguez explained a phrase that Ellen White used rarely which could lead to wrong conclusions and in doing so demonstrated a sound method of ‘exegeting’ her writings. The chapter in Whidden’s book detailing Ellen White's personal experience with character perfection was illuminating and will, I presume, be used as a basis for interpreting her writings on the subject.
Comment on Betty Toussaint’s reflection paper #3
Reading Betty’s paper, I totally agreed with what she mentioned about Ellen White’s authentic expression. Many Christians including me pretend to be holy and don’t want to expose their real spiritual status. But our last prophet expressed herself without filtering. And I felt that she didn’t feel ashamed about disclosing herself. She just focuses on how she can be holier. I will go to Battle Creek this weekend so I will look around her house and look how she lived.
Secondly, Betty threw many questions on the article by Rodriguez and I liked to reflect on those questions.
Reflection Paper 3
Every time I read Romans 3, I could not thank God enough for the way that He had provided to make us justify because we are in a useless situation to provide a cure for the problem. On the other hand, I get frustrated because this is one of the chapters that people used to down play the important of God’s law. But the Apostle is emphasizing that we are being justified by faith because of the cherished concept of salvation by the Jews. However, this chapter the Apostle Paul provides the truth of God’s divine love for man through His own precious Son Jesus. Its good to recognize that through out and at the end of the chapter, the Apostle defend the holiness of God’s law.
Interestingly; the chapter 4 of Whidden’s book; highlighted that Ellen and James White already placed great emphasis on justification by faith before the 1888 saga. Its is appealing to know that our pioneers were on the right track on justification by faith, although there were extreme teachings that were existed but Mr. and Mrs. White were in line with biblical teachings of justification. The testimony by Ellen White of her state as a human being is moving in some ways. She admitted her imperfection despite she was called by God and the Apostle Paul also felt the same way and I believe this is what we all need to admit; our imperfection as human being and we are indeed in need of God’s grace and mercy.
Angel M Rodriguez’s article “Justification on Roman 3: 21- 24 emphasized and agreed together with Ellen White on justification by faith. It is the only way that man can bridge his estrangement from God is through faith in the sacrificed of Jesus Christ for the world. Since we are all sinners, we all need God’s saving grace through Christ as Rodriguez pointed out how Paul use the word “All” to referred both Jews and Gentiles alike.
In conclusion, reading these three readings that supported each other is helpful in my understanding of Justification which really supported what we had discussed in class that we need a bigger and better model of Salvation. The Apostle Paul is writing separately in his epistles concerning Salvation but never in its totality.
Reflection Paper Week 3 (Ending September 13, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
After reading the article written by Angel Rodriguez, I realize that folks use the bible and in this case E.G. White’s writing out of context to make a case for their living as “you please” attitude. I can’t imagine how one could think that Christ’s death covers the salvation of the entire world without them making a response to His atoning sacrifice. Christ’s death is all that is necessary really, but in this context, the faith element in Christ’s atonement must be matched by works (fruits) of righteousness.
In Romans 3, Paul reiterates this fact in stating that all are justified through faith in Jesus and that He’ll judge mankind equally without the deeds of the law. However, one should not emphasize faith only or law only, they both go hand in hand. Faith in Jesus prompts an individual to keep the law.
Ellen White’s Testimony as recorded by Whidden in chapter 5 of his book, illustrates her position regarding her imperfection and her fallibility. The impression that she gives is that no individual is perfect and that even if individuals are perfect, they will never be aware of it. And so, her testimony rules out any doctrine people might want to purport that she believed in universal legal salvation.
It is clear; salvation is available for all by what Christ did at the cross. If all mankind were to be saved without doing anything, Jesus wouldn’t need to come to demonstrate that one can live above temptation and sin. He would just speak the word and salvation would be accomplished. To advocate universal salvation is to purport passivity. On the contrary, Jesus was active from the moment He left heaven and went back. And he expects mankind to do the same. No wonder why He states in Matthew 5:48 that we should “be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect.”
I conclude by concurring with the songwriter, “Must Jesus bear the cross alone and all the world go free? No!!! There’s a cross for you to bear and a cross for me...”
NAME: ROSANA JOEL
REFLECTION PAPER 3
TOPIC “Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs”
The thesis of Rodriguez in the ‘In Adam Motif’ is a good path that as readers of God’s word, we need to really grasp the truth of the word as it was in the original meaning. Reasons why we have a lot of theologies that can not be classified is because of ‘scholars’ wanting to give the scripture, their own understanding by using their own background and presuppositions. The question that carries the whole matter is this; “In what sense was everybody in Adam?”
I find it interesting the way Rodriguez is trying to take into task the understanding that has been laid down from century back. The In Adam Motif, should be the basis of really grasping the In Christ Motif. Whichever line we understand the In Adam Motif is the very way we shall view the Christ salvation means. Either ‘seed’ or ‘imputation’ be assured to view the salvation of Christ in whichever theory you have embraced. This call our attention to have the scriptural truth and be able to come up with a right way and this is what Rodriguez is trying to put across.
Three striking facts are biblically sound per se, thus, ‘the phrase "in Christ" is not biblical,’ ‘not everybody was at the same time in Christ at the cross,’ and ‘if we were in Christ when he died for our sins, paying the penalty for our sins, then we died in him and hence I died for my sin. So many a times we do superficially analyze a very vital point without a concrete support and hence mislead the public and this makes the public later not to trust the ‘theologians’. we need to guard this section of writing anything and let us practice theological modesty - ‘If know well and good write and if you don’t know, it is ok back off or do further research other than lying to the whole world.
So to speak, Rodriguez, has clearly tried to give us one of those problematic issues in theology that needs a further research before we publish it. As we discussing in class about the ‘Foreknowledge, Predestination and Calling’, we found out clearly that many may think the Bible supports the Predestination, but after a sober, and thorough search that is not the case. Let us exercise theological maturity in our scholarly journaling.
Reflection # 3
From the reading in chapter 4 of Whidden’s book, there was much that I appreciated. Chapter 4 touched briefly on the topic of ‘perfectionism’, which is sure to get some people greatly enthusiastic in their discussing of this topic. While the chapter was only a few pages in length, the author was able to bring out some good points.
One short paragraph reads as such, “Although Ellen White expressed the highest goals of accomplishment in the sanctified life and though she spoke of perfection in glowing terms and envisioned significant accomplishments for the faithful believer, there is no evidence of her indulging in any personal sense of spiritual superiority”
I appreciated this thought, as there are many who tend to quote Mrs. White extensively concerning the topic of perfectionism. There is no doubt that she believed in a sanctifying power that would be evident in a believer’s life. But she didn’t let herself develop any ‘sense of spiritual superiority’, even though she was the one especially chosen of God to receive many messages.
Whidden concludes his chapter with by mentioning that even though Mrs. White’s understanding of what constitutes an experience of sanctification and perfection would change over the years, there would not be anything that would change “her constant emphasis on God’s great transforming power” And this power is so great to experience in one’s own life!!
I was thankful that the BRI article for this section was much short than the last two! It basically spoke to the same theme as the last one, that of ‘universal legal justification’. After having done this reading so far, I can see how this issue can be confusing. So I am appreciating having this opportunity to develop my understanding of this issue.
The author of the BRI article had this to say concerning Christ’s sacrificial death, “Notice, first, that by redeeming us, by paying the price for the redemption of the human race, Christ has now the right to rescue us from the enslaving power of Satan. Second, that is necessary because Satan is unwilling to let his captives go free; he does not acknowledge Christ's legal right. He is the jailor and he is still demanding that a price be paid, possibly to him, for their liberation. But he has no right to make that claim because they do not belong to him.” This speaks to Satan’s strong continued resistance in the Great Controversy. The author also quotes this from Mrs. White, “Those who are truly converted will reveal the saving grace of Christ by laboring for these souls blinded by Satan” This is to be our life and calling!
Romans Ch. 3
Whidden Ch. 4
BRI: Christ Saved the Human Race
Reflection Paper 4
In the fourth chapter of Romans, the Apostle Paul is driving home the point of righteousness that was imputed by Christ is to be received by faith. It is starting to come clearer that the Apostle is trying to clarify an issue that was in the Roman Christian church of his days. Righteousness by faith is the argument by the Apostle on basis of Abraham’s experience gives clear illustration that man becomes righteous by faith. One can never take the side that righteousness can be ours through our obedience to the law because chapter three highlighted that we are all sinners. This is sinful by nature and nothing that we can do; we were in a hopeless position and not even by obedience to the law that can make us righteous; we need power outside of man to do salvific work for us. This concept is seen through out Scripture; however it does not nullify the law. Our salvation is all but the work of God, our end of the bargain is just receive by faith, believing in the merits of Jesus Christ has power to overcome. Our obedience to the law however, come from our love in return of being justify freely by the grace of God while we were still weak and unable to save ourselves, God saved us from eternal punishment of sin.
Whidden in chapter five of “Ellen White on Salvation” revealed Mrs. White’s theology of salvation in the context of law and grace. She perceives the Law as “revelation of God’s character of love” and therefore sees God as a God of love and at the same time is a God of just. It is interesting to know that while Mrs. White uplift the Law, does not overtakes the amazing grace of God through Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. Although this language is indirectly seen in the book of Romans, but I can be able to say that Mrs. White view of Salvation is also dealt with by the Apostle Paul. It might seem as if the Apostle is down playing the Law but it was never his intention. He was correcting the Jews’ perception of God’s law as a means of salvation that had him to speak that “man is justify by faith but not by the law.” This confusion is still is seen in Christians today and it is interesting how Mrs. White puts it; she sees it as the charge of Satan on God by saying, “God’s mercy destroyed justice, with the result that Christ’s death abrogate the Father’s law.” She is well in line with the Apostle in the true understanding of Salvation while God’s grace made us justify by faith it does not nullify the important of God’s law.
Rodriguez’s article on “CHRIST SAVED THE HUMAN RACE” as spelled out by Mrs. White in her writing is fascinating because Mrs. White does not support the idea of universal justification. Rodriguez explained it in an easier language of what Elle White meant when she said “Christ saved the human race,” she was referring to the work done by God for the sake of man. The devil is no longer in possession of this world because God through Jesus Christ won the world that was ones His in the beginning. Since the world belongs to God again man is no longer slavery to the enemy but has a freedom to choose whether he wanted to be saved or not. This is interesting because God still respect the Freedom of Choice that He gave man in the beginning. He had all the right to forcefully applied His power to make sure man will be on His side rather than be destroyed forever with the enemy. However, it is the love and that power that enable His to choose what not to do as we had discussed in class. This concept really tied in well with our class discussion last week, that it is God’s character that comes from His free choice; while He can force man on His side but He choose not to do it because of His character as a God of love that caused Him to leave things up to man’s freedom to choose. Our discussion I find it really profound, it really revoke the Calvanist idea of God’s predestination act of giving grace others and neglecting others. This however, minimizes God’s action of choosing and forcing God to do what He does not wanted to do.
Reflection 4
This week in class our discussion led to a conversation of God’s power and his character. Does God not do things/do things because he is not able to or because he chooses not to (character). I thought that Dr. Hanna did a good job of articulating what I had always believed. I remember as a child in Adventist Elementary School that very thought coming up, that God was incapable of doing certain things and I had always believed that God was powerful enough to do anything. God is powerful enough to lie, but it is against his character and is evil, so he does not do it.
Romans chapter 4 included Paul’s discussion of Abraham being saved by faith. Paul says that Abraham believed and it was accounted to him as righteousness. I have always liked Paul’s argument that something being accounted to us, or credited to us, means that it could not have been earned, because wages are due us, not credited to us. God does not pay us for good works with salvation, instead he freely gives us the gift of salvation because we are willing to take it. That is what happened to Abraham and that is what happens to us.
The new section in Whiddon’s book about other important doctrines that relate to Ellen White’s view of salvation looks to be interesting in setting up our understanding of her actual view. However, this chapter by itself is only a building block and left me with more questions than answers. This is especially true in relation to perfectionism that he mentioned as a part of the book “The Great Controversy.” I will be interested to see him go deeper into what those mean and compare them with her other statements, especially some of the ones we just read in the last chapter.
Finally, I read the article about 1 Timothy 4:10. I thought this was a very good explanation of a hard text. He gave several options and reasons that those didn’t work in relation to the whole of scripture as well as a good word study. I do wish, and I find this is true of a lot of theological and exegetical things that I read, that he would have explained in more depth why he dismissed certain approaches. I think it would be more helpful if he gave specific textual references instead of just a summary of the text or texts that disproved a theory.
Doctrine of Salvation: One page reflection. Week Four
The debate over the meaning of 1 Tim 4:10: Article by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez
The thought that was impressed upon my mind from my reading is that of the importance of understanding what the original texts says when it comes to certain passages of scripture. One word, “specially”, in 1 Tim 4:10 has caused a lot of debate about how God is Savior of the world. I think ignoring everything else the bible teaches about the salvation of mankind leads us to these kinds of debates, but embracing all of scripture and exploring a bigger model of salvation gets us out of these thought swamps.
Paul teaches that God’s desire is to save mankind, but He will not force His salvation upon anyone. Each person has to make a conscious decision whether to accept that salvation or not, which is based on the merits of Christ alone. I think it’s safe to say we have two extreme planes in our understanding of salvation of the world, which are fighting for supremacy. It’s either the “do nothing, God has saved you whether you like it or not” plane, or the “be good and earn your way into heaven plane.” Inspiration and scripture has put it absolutely clear that we can do nothing to earn God’s favor, because our righteousness is but filthy rags to God, and also that He loves everyone and desires to save all He can, but he won’t force into heaven people who don’t want to be there. Of course that would be something they would have shown Him by not believing and accepting His salvation, based on the merits of Christ. May the God of heaven help us to see the truth in its soundness and embrace it, so help us God.
In class we talked about the ascending process of salvation by the grace of God, which we are free to accept or reject. There exists a strong bond between grace and freedom; one cannot exist without the other. Grace has to be free to be grace. If we could not resist it, it would cease to be grace and ultimately the giver would cease to be free. God saves us because he chooses to, not because He is powerless to do otherwise. God’s impossibilities are not from a lack of power to do whatever, but its all because of his holy character. He chooses to be a loving and caring God. Thus He won’t force mankind to be saved if we don’t want to. I found the class discussion to be very insightful.
Reflection Paper 4
THST 540
9/22/08
David Hamstra
The class discussion again focused on philosophical issues regarding the nature of God’s foreknowledge and predestination in the plan of salvation. Eventually the discussion came around to the topic of morality and three elements that constitute it: freedom, power, and character. With regard to God’s morality, Dr. Hanna suggested that God chooses freely on the basis of His power to do otherwise, yet chooses only that which is good because of His character. I would suggest that the Calvinist position arrives at a God who chooses freely on the basis of character (He is the God who elects.) and, on the basis of His power, His choices cannot be other than good (What God chooses is good, because He is the Sovereign).
In Romans 4 Paul continues with a theme from the previous chapter: that salvation must enabled by faith rather than the law, otherwise the saved would have some cause for boasting (v. 2). He advances this argument by recalling the experience of Abraham, whose faith was accounted to him as righteousness before the “work” of circumcision was required of him (vv. 9-10). As Abraham’s faith enabled the fulfillment of God’s promises to him (vv. 20-21), we who are uncircumcised, that is, gentiles through faith in Jesus resurrection may also receive righteousness (vv. 23-25).
In Chapter 5 I appreciated Whidden’s analysis of Ellen White’s concept of the Great Controversy. The question Satan raises is whether God can be both just and merciful and not at the same time be arbitrary regarding either his law or the salvation of sinners.
The BRI document I read was quite brief and dealt with a “problem passage”, 1 Tim. 4:10, which could be read that Jesus saved the whole world. I especially appreciated the point Rodriguez made on the word translated “especially” in this passage, but would have liked to see a footnote to the source(s) on which he based his conclusion.
Paper 4
One of the things that stood out the most for me in the reading for this week is the statement on page 38 in Ellen White on Salvation which states that “Ellen White conceived of the law as being inextricably bound up with the expression of God’s character of love-a love that was conceived as both just and merciful.” As a result of the law being inextricably intertwined with an expression of God’s character of love, it makes it easier for me to reconcile statements made by Paul in Romans 2:13 and Romans 3:28. This week, I reflected on “the law” and realized that we are missing the essence of “the law.” In Romans 13:9, Paul highlighted the greatest commandment (which Jesus Christ stressed) which is to love thy neighbor as thyself. This commandment is at the heart of the all commandments that deal with our relationship with man or each other. Faith in Christ and a commitment to being more like Christ should and will result in keeping these particular laws.
Furthermore, I found Romans Chapter 4 very enlightening. It put things in perspective for me as it relates to how God will judge the works (or the lack of works) of an individual. God wants our obedience. Furthermore, He wants my faith in Him to be strong. The example of Abraham as a righteous and obedient servant of God was an excellent choice made by Paul. I believe God wants us to have Abraham’s level of obedience in every area of our lives.
Next, the discussions from our last class on God’s power and His grace related to the reading in Ellen White on Salvation on the issue of Satan’s charges against God. I have always wandered why God has to prove anything to Satan. Why doesn’t God just take Satan out of the picture and destroy him?
Finally, I agreed with the arguments made in Rodriguez’s article. I’ve never really given that must thought to the words “in Adam” or “in Christ”, and I didn’t realize that there was so much controversy over the matter.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 04
THST 540 – 09/22/08
This week I enjoyed how Whidden took the main theological points, and summarized them into just a few pages. It was interesting to read Ellen Whites views on these topics. Her writings are written in a way that helps us to better understand salvation and the character of Christ. It was a very good introduction on the next chapters. It was also interesting to see how these specific theological concepts were influenced by church's short term eschatological view. It is amazing how EGW was inspired to transmit these messages in a balanced way, considering the urgency that was permeating the times in which they were written.
Ángel Manuel Rodriguez's article on “In Christ/Adam's Motifs” was a pleasant surprise to me. Even though I was familiar with the discussion that was presented and the possible consequences of it, I have to admit that I had not thought about all of the consequences the author discusses. Once again, he presents a solid and coherent interpretation of the texts, as well as what they mean for us today. It was very useful to understand the full extension of the possible misinterpretations of these texts, as well as the easy process that can lead to such misinterpretations based on the original language.
In the fourth chapter of Romans, Paul continues to explain the full depth of justification by faith. He shows through Abraham's example how the promise of justification is universal, and does not belong to a specific nation or individual. I was very touched at the way in which Paul talks about Abraham and his faith in God's promise. There is a underlying sense of deep relationship that goes far above the constant discussions of law versus faith. The fact that both faith and law have their place in a relationship with God is made clear in this chapter through God´s relationship with Abraham.
Reflection Paper #4
In the class, Dr. Hanna compared grace and judgment. Because we and God are free grace can be gracious. And God has power to forget our sins and give punishment. He is not lack of power but omniscient. But about judgment, I could find clear answer from Ellen White’s writing for that. The book says, “Justice and mercy are but two sides of the same coin of God’s character of love.” Without understand God’s love for us, we cannot understand judgment and His law exactly because the law is the expression of God’s love. So my conclusion of judgment is that the one who judges us is not God but we. I mean that God have given us all the opportunities and probation to get saved but we, beings having free will, chose not to follow God and rejected those opportunities. That’s why we will get judgment at the end.
In Romans 4, Paul emphasizes faith one more time using Abraham’s story. The reason why he was saved is not because his righteousness but because his faith and God’s mercy. And the last verse of chapter 4 touches my heart so hard. It says, “He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.” Christ died for me and is living for me. It means He has done everything for me. What else can he do for me besides dying and living for me? I cannot express how deep His love is.
I found two insights from the article by Rodriguez. First one is to translate the word “specially.” After reading the first section of his article, that verse sounded not right. How can all and special people exist at the same time? But getting the exact usage of the Greek word I could understand clearly and I felt that I felt that Biblical languages are necessary. Second point is the last sentence of the article. It says, “Christ’s substitutionary atonement is universal in its extent but, because of the freedom God has given to humans, it is limited in its salvific effect.” Here, we meet the same theme we talked about in the class. God gave us freedom and this affects all salvific work.
Reflection #4
Christ mission was to save all the people, the lost people on this earth.
By faith and His divine grace we can be saved.
He did not come down to this earth to save those who are already destined to be saved.
He came to save all the people but the choices were given to us. “God desires all to be saved and has done everything necessary to save them, but He is the actual Savior of those who believe. Romans 4: 23; “The words it was credited to him were written not for him alone, but also for us to whom God will credit righteousness for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
This is as same as the time of Moses I believe. Moses made a bronze snake and raised it up high and those who (as free will) looked at the snake were saved. The snake was there for all people but those who chose to look were saved.
As Ellen White mentions many times on the book Ellen White on salvation, she says that she is not perfect and no one is perfect. “We are not perfect. We need His Spirit and His grace every hour or we shall make blunders and shall do harm.”
Even though we are not perfect and we make mistakes all the time, even though we are sinners, we are given a gift of salvation and it is our own free will to whether to accept it or not.
When I read Romans 4, I am amazed at the wonderful way that Paul explains things. He makes so many watertight arguments. In talking about righteousness by faith, he takes the Jews back to their spiritual father Abraham to show that he was counted righteous through faith contrasted by the Jews’ works. He then goes on to point out that it was before he was circumcised—the very symbol that “showed” that Jews were “God’s people”. Paul is very clear that faith and obedience are part of the same package. This is a wonderful chapter to share with our dispensational friends as well.
What most of the world doesn’t realize is what Whidden writes on page 36: “Justice and mercy are but two sides of the same coin of God’s character of love.” I don’t understand how so many people can’t get that. It was true of Jesus’ life; His trial; His death and on and on. It is most definitely tied into the Great Controversy theme, no doubt about it. As was brought out in this chapter of Whidden’s book, justice and mercy are the two points that Satan has zeroed in on to deceive the world about God’s character.
The BRI article I read was “Comments on 1Tim 4” and I was impressed by the simple, clear response to the question. This idea of universal legal justification (especially espoused by our friends down the road) is, unfortunately, gathering steam (particularly in the South). One of the proponents of this ideology even went so far as to suggest that it would be better to NOT share the gospel with those who don’t know Jesus for then their salvation would be guaranteed. I hope all see just how dangerous this idea is and that we will probably face more of it in the future.
Romans 4 is always a good read. It says it all in verse 16 "Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring - not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham." What more can be said? God's character is revealed here as someone whom wants grace to be given to all. This promise comes when we put our faith into practice as Abraham did. Our God is a God of equality, we are all His children. Sometimes we base God's idea of equality on the situations that surround us and we then wonder why some have it better than others. I believe that this is not God's equality. Gods equality is in the promise of salvation to all. Sin has made the world corrupt and unfair. This is not by the hand of God, but by the hand of man being influenced by Satan. We must remember that God has given us a way out of this unfair life. In verse 16 He tells us how. Praise God.
In whidden's book Ellen White had stated that "I rejoice that I have that faith that takes hold of the promises of God, that works by love and sanctifies the soul" I believe that Dr. Hanna has said in class that God does not hold us to things that He Himself does not live by. Taking this into count, when Jesus tells the Pharisees that the greatest commandments are to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, Jesus lives by this also. This is Gods Character then also. If it were not so, then He would have told us. What we must understand is that we will never achieve a perfect love as Christ has, yet even in our failings, we fall at the feet of the cross and find that perfect love for us which has saved us through our faith in He who came to cover our imperfections. As James stated in his blog entry "He did not come down to this earth to save those who are already destined to be saved" If Christ destined people to be saved, they then don't have the vicarious atoning sacrifice of Christ for our sins, for they would already be saved. What then would be the point of Christ sacrificing Himself for the world? God sent His Son into the world, not to condemn it, but to save it from itself.
In reflection over the last weeks assigned personal reading, the phrase, "there is nothing new under the sun" kept coming forward in my mind. This phrase is relative to the issues discussed in chapters 4, 5 of the Whidden textbook and namely because the same old controversies that the church was reviewing are still debated and argued over today from the deacons to the Seminary professors. Will there ever be agreement, total agreement, this side of Heaven? Probably not. And that is why we have institutions like the BRI to clarify certain concepts. The BRI article that I read focused on the 1 Tim. 4:10 which is controversial because of the universalistic flavor sometimes read into the text. I completely understood the interpretation of "malista" to mean "that is" rather than especially. And that resolved the issue for me. These days, people are still arguing over the whole 1888 issue and Righteousness by faith, in fact I had people in my ministry quickly claim that the Church as a whole needs to repent for not endorsing Jones and Waggoner. What they may not realize is that it is bigger than that and it's not that simple. In reading Romans, it is clear to me that Paul understood Christ to be the ultimate in Righteousness, contrasted against our ultimate in unrighteousness and enemy state with God. Therefore (I'm starting to sound like the lawyer himself) only by faith in Christ's righteousness and endeavoring to pattern our lives after Him can we receive justification. 1888 may tend for people to think of salvation as simply status rather than progressive or ongoing. There is the departure.
Vince Saunders
Kurtley Knight
Assignment 4,
9/23/08
In his article, Comments on “In Adam/In Christ” Motifs Angel Manuel Rodriquez carefully discusses the issues regarding the 1888 controversial understanding on the phrases, “In Adam/In Christ”. In essence this article further clarifies an earlier article by Rodriquez, which has been noted this semester already and builds on it. In reading it I was somewhat shocked because I honestly didn’t know there was a controversy over the issue. Rodriquez however makes a good point in concluding that one must be extremely careful in pinning down theological terms. A lesson I’ve been learning all semester in our classes. Essentially then as Doc would say, we need a bigger model or understanding of the terms in question that will allow for a broader and deeper understanding.
As for Whidden’s book this week, I must say it was very enjoyable. Again as has been stated numerous times before, Whidden has an excellent of portraying Ellen White as human. However there are two issues I have with the reading. Firstly, in James White’s letter in the Review as recorded on p.29 he states something that troubles me. What does he mean when he says, “We feel that we have a testimony for our people at this time, relative to the exalted character of Christ, and His willingness and power to save”? What does he mean by “our people”? Is it to mean Adventists or former Millerites? Does he mean humanity? Who are “our people” that Christ should be uplifted to? Does this phrasing support a shut door theory of salvation? I’m confused. Second, I don’t think I’m all that comfortable with Ellen White’s constant desire to be perfect. While my understanding of her interpretation of perfectionism is moderate, the reading seems to indicate to me that it preoccupied her mind considerable.
There was something in Rom 4 that really resonated with me. Abraham is the Father of both the Gentiles and the Jews, the uncircumcised and the circumcised. Paul trying to fight against Jewish superiority goes back to prove a beautiful theological point about the law of faith. This idea is kind of paralleled to the idea Doc discussed in class today about the Old and New Covenant and that the Eternal Covenant existed before the Old. This was very powerful.
Comment on Betty Toussaint's Paper
I appreciate that you brought up Abraham. As you said, “God wants our obedience.” Even though Abraham lied twice about his wife, God still calls him as the father of faith. The reason why he was called like that by God I think is he was obedient. God lifted that value high and blessed him continuously. So as you said, God wants us to have Abraham’s level of obedience
Another thing that I like from your reflection paper is that law reflects God’s love. If we forget this we will misunderstand God.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 4
THST 540 – 09/24/08
The words in Romans chapter 4 are "believe" and "faith." “Justification” is another word used here and here justification is by faith and not by works. How do we know this? The Old Testament proves it using as examples Abraham and David. How was Abraham justified? The Bible answers this very clearly. Paul quotes from Genesis 15:6, and Scripture clearly teaches that Abraham was justified by faith. "He believed God" and that is how he justified. This verse says absolutely nothing about works. How is a person saved today? The same way Abraham was. All men of all ages have always been saved in only one way: "by grace trough faith."
In his article Ángel Manuel Rodríguez says very clear that "Savior of all" also means that Jesus is the only and exclusive instrument of salvation for the human race.” I like very much his affirmation that the salvation “was not restricted to a particular ethnic group but was extended to all.” The atonement made by Christ is universal, but not all people are going to be saved because of the freedom which we have.
The chapter from the book was enjoyable especially where is mentioned about infallibility and perfection. Here Ellen white is presented as a human being, showing that we are imperfect no matter what, “we are not perfect. We may err and do and say things that may not be all right.”
Reflection Paper#4 (Week Ending September 20, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
I found Rodriguez comments on 1 Timothy 4:10 very profound in his response to the question regarding Christ’s death for all men (sinners and believers alike). I think he did a great exegesis of the text. He utilized the Greek word and the various meaning so as to get his point across that when Christ died for the world, the salvific element was universal, but it was limited to those who chose to accept it. Rodriguez did well in staying in the text by contextualizing that text in light of what was said earlier on in 1Timothy 2:4. It really made an interesting reading.
In Romans 4 Paul continues his deliberation on the law and grace and cited Abraham as the classic example. Even though I accept righteousness by faith and that faith automatically propels an individual to produce good works. It’s kind of difficult to understand how Abraham was justified by faith when he failed so many times. In Romans 4:20, Paul illustrates this. I believe that his biggest wavering was as it relates to going ahead of God by getting Hagar pregnant. It would seem to me from this example that faith in God does not remove the possibility of doubt and wavering or stumbling. What do you all think???
NAME: ROSANA JOEL
REFLECTION PAPER 4
TOPIC: CHRIST SAVED HUMAN RACE
The idea of all mankind is saved is a contentious debate in the theological circle. Did the death of Christ on the Cross save everyone, thus all are assured of salvation regardless their doings and belief? Hence what does the phrase ‘Saved the World’ means? This is the issue Rodriguez is trying to explore in his presentation “Christ saved human race.” the fact behind this statement is as presented by Ellen is of Christ bridging the gap that sin had made, separation of man and God. E. White clearly frames it this way, “With His human arm Christ encircled the race, while with His divine arm He grasped the throne of the Infinite, uniting finite man with the infinite God. By transgression the world had been divorced from heaven.”
In a nutshell this is the real meaning of the statement “Christ saved human race” as presented by Rodriguez, “The alienation of humans from God, which was the result of the fall, came to an end through Christ. He became a living bridge between God and humans because he was both, human and divine. This was Christ's objective act of salvation. He made it possible for human beings to be united with God; he "connected earth with heaven." But only repentant sinners can benefit from that salvation.” As we discussed in the class lecture, the freedom of God is to all to choose what they want and do what they feel like doing and hence even if the salvation is good is not forced on anyone one. If we take the position that ‘at the cross all humankind is saved, then all we are trying to propose is that, mankind had no chance to make a choice.
It is clear now that the death of Christ on the Cross did not entirely mean that, ‘the whole humanity’ is now saved regardless their choice. The biblical exposition about it is; “the phrase "saved the world" does not mean that the whole human race was legally saved at the cross. It means that Christ through his life of obedience and his sacrificial death paid the price for our redemption and bridged the separation caused by the sin of Adam making it possible for repentant sinners to have access to and be accepted by God.” One thing is expected in the fulfillment of the death of Christ on the cross to be of significant importance; ‘the will of choice’
Doctrine of Salvation Reflection 5
This week in my reading I found several good points. All of the readings for the first time had a little something in common. All talked about sin origination in Adam and how that affects us as his descendants. Much of this discussion of course comes from our reading in Romans chapter 5 where Paul talks about death coming through Adam and life coming through Christ. I thought the statement in Whiddon’s book that “Thus it is obvious that theoretical questions about ‘original guilt’ did not concern her.” That is largely what the paper by the Adventist Research Center is about. It was largely a similar argument to what we have already read against the 1888 Message Committee’s stance that we gained our sin by being “in Adam” and our salvation by being “in Christ.” Though the arguments presented in the paper were clear and well done, I wonder if it is a waste to read two papers on this topic. But I think the big picture that was presented on this subject is that because Adam sinned, we too will sin and can’t save ourselves in any way. We must rely on Jesus who has died to take away our sins. And it is his grace that he helps us through every step of the salvation process.
There were also some other good things I found in the reading. One thing that jumped out at me in Romans chapter 5 was the fact that being justified brings peace with God. This is a blessing and a result of our salvation that we can have in the here and now. It is a huge blessing to have peace, especially peace with God, which leads to peace in so many other areas. We often look at the future blessings of our salvation and at the assurance now aspect, but I think we sometimes overlook the blessings of the peace that justification brings.
The other thing that stood out to me was in Whiddon’s book that he talked about freedom. This is interesting in the light of many of our class discussions. Ellen White was assured of our free will, though he does not specifically mention her ideas about God’s foreknowledge and predestination here. I like her emphasis on the fact that everything God does, he gives us the free will to accept or reject. It would be interesting to find out about what she says about predestination as well though.
Reflection Paper #5
Although, “Ellen White did not feel called upon to address the question of God’s fairness in allowing a sinful nature be passed on to Adam’s offspring,” according to Whidden, I still can’t help but wonder why. The idea that we inherit the sins of our Fathers doesn’t sit well with me. Having to deal with sin and fighting the temptation to sin is such a heavy burden. I realize that we can overcome all things through Jesus Christ, but this particular chapter of Whidden’s book made me feel like sinning was inevitable, all because of Adam! Even when there is no physical commission of sin, we may struggle with our thoughts. We are bombarded every which way we turn with sinful things, people (in and out the church), and places. However, reading Romans 5 restored my hope. Paul, Ellen White, and Rodriguez say the same thing as it relates to Adams fall, and the gift of righteous through Jesus Christ, however, the tone in Roman was much more encouraging in my opinion.
Next, the theme that made the greatest impression on me during our class discussion is the idea that we need the Holy Spirit to accompany us when we read the Word of God, and that Jesus must be the center of our interpretation of the Word. I now read the Bible intentionally looking for Jesus. I’m reminded of the fact that the Pharisees studied the Scriptures, but were never looking for Jesus in those Scriptures. Their main purpose in studying the Scriptures was to show men that they were learned individuals, but they never appreciated the spirit of the Word and/or Scripture. Therefore, when Jesus came and spoke to them they could not recognize that it was He that they studied.
With regards to Rodriguez’s article, I agree with his arguments. Furthermore, his article is a great example of what happens when we try and over simplify phrases in the Bible without looking at the entire Bible for further study and information.
The issue if sin is so complicated and most writers have failed to give a clear picture. But Angel Rodríguez provides a in Adam/in Christ motifs which will help us under their roles in the Bible. In Adam all are counted sinners but in Christ all are redeemed. We should be careful on how to use this terminologies as literal translated, for instance Jesus was from the lineage of Adam a sinner but this does not mean he was sinner likewise not all who claim to be Christians are saved. So we should be careful on how to use them.
Likewise Ellen White was early influenced with the teachings of Christ exalted from her husband and she understood her situation then. Although she understood she exalts herself above others. I can see the need now following her humility and faith to fulfill the promises of God since we aren’t perfect. We should have a balance in all we do by depending on God’s great transforming power. We can not achieve by ourselves but depend on him.
We may not be a Jew to be righteous since no one is righteous (Romans 3) but this should not be an excuse to remain in sin. Again we may see the law as a barrier to our salvation but the law makes us to be conscious of our sins so we may seek forgiveness in order to be righteous. And this righteousness is through the faith in Jesus Christ which comes from God..
REFLECTION PAPER # 5
Personally, this week’s reading assignments solved the problem that I have been curious about for a long time. The problem was that “in Adam” and “in Christ.” I have heard that some of the interpretations of that issue but I was not satisfied with those answers. However, Rodriguez explained all the possible interpretations and gave me the final answer so I was so happy with his answer. He says about the issue at the end of his article as “Adam responsible for his own sin; his descendants the fatal result of his transgression.” And the conclusion of “in Christ” is clear as well. The article says, “It is necessary to return to the biblical understanding of those important expressions in order to avoid potential heresies.” There are many exegeses about this issue but in point of view from the Bible, it is clear that we are saved by faith.
The second issue that I was curious in Romans is this verse, “Rom 6:20, Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.” It sounds that God gave us the law to judge us and condemn us. Then, why did He do that? Is He really love of God? But Ellen White gave me a very good answer for this. She says “Justice and mercy are but two sides of the same coin of God’s character of love.” So if we think of justice and judgment without His mercy we will misunderstand His law and His character. I’ve learned so good things from this week assignments.
Response # 4
From the last few classes I have appreciated how Dr. Hanna is really encouraging us to ponder and think about how salvation is really not that simple, in terms of giving just a word or two in description. Our bible tells us that the thief on the cross accepted Jesus and that he will be heaven someday. For him salvation was incredibly simple, he believed and Jesus gave him the right of eternal life. Now we don’t know the thief’s prior understanding of God and how the Holy Spirit had been working on his heart. We just know that Jesus assured the repentant thief of his forgiveness and gift of eternal life. Now here is the difficulty in which I am appreciating this class, had the thief not died and been allowed to continue his life, what would the effect of Justification had on his salvation? Now I know this is jumping into about step 5 of the 7 steps that we’ve been discussing in class, but it’s always been a thought of mine: is salvation only a difficult topic if you live longer past the point of Justification? Just some thoughts, but I appreciate how we are taking the time to cover a lot of angles within the broad range of salvation, because to limit the depth of salvation is to limit what Jesus has done for us.
A point from class that I found quite interesting was that of God’s character being backed up by his omnipotent power. That God has the power to do anything, if he didn’t have the power to sin or lie than he wouldn’t be all powerful. But his amazing character goes directly against those qualities, which in turn leads me to love and appreciate him all the more!
Another point from class that I really enjoyed was the one we ended on; how that Lucifer would not have been able to rebel in the first place if it were not for God’s grace, he was on probation and failed it, when he choose to rebel. Just incredible to think that the enemy which throws so many charges at God, and hates the human race so much, would never have been able to do so if it were not for God’s incredible grace and freedom in the first place.
From the reading in Whidden’s book, the one aspect that really caught my attention was that of how Mrs. White kept the Great Controversy theme central in all her theology. The author brought out how this focus kept the balance between justification and perfection. This has been something that I appreciate. For I have found that if I don’t keep the Great Controversy in mind as I live my life and do such things as school, all to soon my focus becomes lost and I end up treating school simply as head knowledge. For really, what the Bible speaks about, it should speak to me. When the Bible speaks about salvation, it is speaking about salvation for Ted. When the Bible talks about sanctification, it speaks about sanctification for Ted. And then of course fulfillment in life comes in being able to take this life changing reality and share it with other people so that they can experience Jesus for themselves!
Romans Ch. 4
BRI: Comments on 1 Timothy 4:10
Whidden Ch. 5
Reflection Paper #5
This week’s readings were very inspiring. The Apostle Paul in Romans 5 expressed how Adam’s sin had affected the human race. But God’s counter-act of love through Christ had brought man back to life once again. I was deeply moved by this chapter to see the amazing grace of God. He had freely given to man what he does not deserve because he had left God on his own free will. But the Apostle summed up God’s love very well by saying; v8 “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” For this reason man can only be justified by faith in the redeeming sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ because through His obedience to death, man is “made righteous” [v19]. Whidden in the sixth chapter of his book tells us that despite the mixtures of theological teachings in the days of Ellen White but her understanding of salvation in regards to sin and human condition was very clear. Interestingly, Ellen White saw that it is impossible for a man to work his way out from the slavery of sin because he inherit a sinful nature but not the guilt of Adam’s sin. For this reason, she concluded that man’s work is never enough to make him justify but only Jesus’ saving merits that is able.
Angel M Rodriguez’s article “Comments on, 1 Timothy 4: 10” was helpful to clarify some of these difficult texts which seem to entertain the idea of universal justification. He stated that God offered a way of salvation for all man because Christ is the only “mean” and “exclusive instrument” for our salvation. However, in order to be justified by the Blood of Jesus and be saved is man’s acceptance of this precious gift. And all these readings really connect with our class discussion this week. I must say that Dr Hanna’s idea of “Salvation in Body language and Typology” was an eye opener. I often read these texts before but never got to think how Scripture is using the body language to explain the mystery of salvation. Again, I still agree with our class that we need a bigger model of salvation, must be based on Totality of Scriptures and must be seen through “His flesh” or the “Cross of Jesus” for better understanding of God’s saving grace.
In chapter 3 of Understanding Scripture, I found the discussion of the presuppositions in the interpretation of scripture to be a very clear and thorough analysis of the issue. It is true that interpreters of the Bible whether trained theologians or laity approach the Bible with their worldview and preconceived notions that govern our hermeneutics which is why have various interpretations of scripture. It is indeed a challenge, yet a necessity, to approach the scriptures with a neutrality and openness of mind and heart. I found the discussion on how the affects sin have influenced our reasoning to be spot on. It is, in a nutshell, sin that has clouded our ability to see spiritual things clearly. The influence of pride and doubt can certainly distort and paralyze our hermeneutics. The prideful heart resist and misinterprets scriptures that do not align with it’s worldview. The doubtful heart refuses to believe the power in the scriptures and thus limits it’s miraculous power in life. Among the necessary attitudes for interpretation of scripture, humility, the antonym of pride, can not be overstated. Humility of spirit acknowledges our human limitations and inadequacies and causes us to seek the leading of the Holy Spirit who will lead us to truth. It is paramount for us as students of the word to pray for humble hearts so that we can righty divide the word and teach others of Christ.
Dr. Hanna’s offering the, “The Cosmic Christ of Scriptures” provides clear and intriguing commentary on the topic of revelation and inspiration. In chapter five Dr. Hanna touches on the intriguing subject of the revelation of humanity in divinity. I am intentional is saying ‘touches’ because this perplexing topic is at the center of many theological debates. He highlights the questions, what is the nature of divinity? What is the nature of humanity? What is the nature of the divine-human connection in Jesus Christ? These weighty questions are very relevant and integral to our understanding of the supreme revelation of God to humanity, the God-man Jesus the Christ. It is incumbent upon us as students and teachers of the word to have a correct understanding of the nature of Christ to effectively communicate the word of God to others. Understanding the divine-human Christ is essential because it will affect our hermeneutics and shape our theology. There are conflicting schools of thought on this topic in the Adventist arena, which have valid arguments, but are not all correct. As we examine the supreme revelation of God, I challenge us to evaluate our view of the nature of Christ and see if our theology aligns with epistemological revelation.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 5
THST 540 – 09/30/08
Romans 5 show that because we are justified by our faith we have peace with God (verse 1) and not only we have access to grace also (verse 2). This grace by which we stand comes to us through Jesus sacrifice on the cross that opens this door. And His death on the cross was not only to save us but also to change us because otherwise it has no sense. Romans 5:12-21 show that if the sin entered through one man, Adam, than righteousness entered through one man also, Jesus Christ, and if through sin we have death, trough righteousness we have life. But this "death passed upon all men for that all have sinned." So this means that our sins condemns us and not Adam sin. But verse 11 says clear that we must “joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”, which means that we have been reconciled.
Ángel Manuel Rodríguez in his article “Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs” is saying that “we have misunderstood” the 1888 Study Committee and that “they are not clear in their own thinking concerning the meaning of those two phrases.” He is saying that trough this affirmation they are implying the idea that “if we were in Christ when he died for our sins, paying the penalty for our sins, then we died in him. He did not die for me! I actually died on the cross for my own sins! I was not saved through Jesus; I saved myself through Jesus! Since I was in Jesus, he was not my substitute, my sin was not transferred to him. I took my own sin to the cross in Jesus!” To avoid this problem he is suggesting that we must return to the “biblical understanding” in order not to create heresies.
In chapter 5 Whidden says that the doctrine of salvation is not an independent doctrine but a doctrine which is related whit other “doctrinal factors” and this is true because the theme of salvation is the core of the Bible, this is the good news of the Bible and the other “doctrinal factors” is only supporting this major doctrine. Regarding the law and grace it is sown how clever satan is. First he is saying that god is arbitrary and that His law can not be obeyed and that the human being can not be forgiven by such a just God. Both arguments are destroyed at the cross and than satan is changing his mind, now God is so merciful that He can not be just anymore. Before cross God was too just and after the cross He is to unjust. With this kind of affirmations I do not think that satan will win the elections. God can be just and mercy in the same time because this is His character. As the author says at the end “ obedience is possible, but is always associated with a just and loving acceptance.”
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 05
THST 540 – 09/28/08
This week's reading assignment went beyond the theoretical level, presented something more human, and made it more understandable. Both the sixth chapter of Whidden's book and the article The Dynamics of Salvation present clear and accessible concepts involved in having a relationship with God. Even though Whidden's focus is on more specific subjects such as sin, guilt and an introduction to perfection, both of the documents lay practical definitions of the several stages in a relationship with God. What I enjoyed the most was to see how God was put in the center of all the initiatives and goes far beyond the value of any of human merit.
It was interesting to observe the many levels of understanding of truth presented in the redemption plan. As the article stated, it is something that will be studied all throughout eternity, and yet is so simple that a child could understand it. Nonetheless, it is amazing to study, and to be able to grasp a small measure of the immensity of love that God has for us in order to carry such a redemption plan. The article published in Adventist Review was well formulated to inspire a deeper relationship with God, instead of a relationship simply as a theological declaration – an element we sometimes miss.
The fifth chapter of Romans is the key to understand the entire message that Paul tries to transmit – a message of salvation and love. In this chapter Paul reveals Jesus Christ as the center of this message. He clearly explains the redemption plan coming to a vital point in this cosmic war. I enjoyed the contrast made between sin and grace, and how Paul shows grace tipping the scales completely when put up against sin. If there were any doubts about the plan of salvation in previous chapters of Romans, I believe that the doubts dissipate when reading chapter 5 when the climax of salvation is reached.
Reflection Paper 5
THST 540
9/22/08
David Hamstra
The class discussion this week introduced the concept of “body language” into our doctrine of salvation. Bodies are the means and goals of salvation in scripture and are closely associated with the concept of sanctuary. I believe Dr. Hanna may be using this concept to bring us to a more universal or “cosmic” view of salvation that includes the entire creation and not just human beings, and I look forward to seeing how he develops this in future lectures.
In Romans 5 Paul picks up the theme of justification from chapter 4 and applies the legal metaphor in a relational context—justification brings about peace with God and accomplishes our reconciliation to Him. God’s love for us and consequent desire for reconciliation was what motivated Christ to die for us, and by accepting his death we can experience His love through the Holy Spirit in our hearts, which confirms our hope of salvation. Paul concludes by emphasizing free-gift and gracious quality of Christ’s death, which overcame the power of death introduced into the world by Adam’s disobedience.
I very much appreciated chapter 6 of Whidden’s book as he addressed the topic of prevenient grace, though not in those terms, in the writings of Ellen White. I have been looking for hints of this doctrine in her works, and he pointed out some that I had previously read but obviously overlooked. The BRI document I read addressed what I consider to be a perversion of prevenient grace in the teachings of the 1888 Message Study Committee, showing how their understandings of “in Adam” and “in Christ” create more theological problems then they solve.
Doctrine of Salvation: One page reflection.
Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez
The author examined how the 1888 Study Committee presented their understanding of the phrase “In Adam” and “In Christ” in light of what those terms really meant to the believer. This article went a great length showing the fallacies of the understanding of the 1888 Study Committee of the “In Adam” motif. The author says “The idea that every human being was in Adam when he sinned is confusing and may lead to serious theological problems. In what sense was everybody in Adam?” Questions were presented on the “In Christ” phrase as well, when reference was made to Christ’s death, on the cross, that sinners were in Him on his death, which could be understood that mankind then atoned for his own sin.
I had a problem with this article, not because I believe in the views of the 1888 Study Committee’s views, but just because a lot of effort was put in showing the errors but there was no proposal as to the correct understanding of those phrases. I agree that the statements are not truthful in the way they have been presented, if at all its a correct rendering of the views of the 1888 Study Committee, but I would have appreciated more discussion on the correct understanding.
Chapter 7 of “Ellen White on Salvation” talked about how inspiration presents the subject of the atonement in relation to God’s character of love and mercy. He says she presented a broad view of what atonement means, not as something that just happened on the cross or something happened in heaven in 1844. He saw her view incorporating free will and not just an arbitrary and deterministic way of saving mankind. “Atonement involved not only Christ’s death on the cross, but also Christ’s intercession, which makes His life available to repentant, trusting believers. Such trusting belief not only receives God’s acceptance, but is also powerfully motivates to imitate Christ’s life. So the atonement has implication for the sanctification experience of believers, not just their experience of forgiveness and acceptance.” Ellen White paints a vivid picture of the work of atonement on the cross where Christ as the sin bearer, experienced the wrath of God against sin, in his body. That too was an act of love mingled with justice, God’s atoning love reaching out to lost mankind to make a way open for the believers to have eternal life, which then leads to a Christ like life while hear on earth. We can only be thankful for God’s love and mingled with justice.
Gerard vertilus
9/30/08
Doctrine of salvation
one page reflection
All of us are egoists born. Self is the first natural center of our existence. Yet the key saying of Jesus, indeed the only one found in all four Gospels, and five times in the four, declare that those who find their lives lose them. "If any man come after me, let deny himself." How poorly are those words interpreted if they are taken to refer to some small self-denial! They surely imply that the natural centre of life, self, must be rejected, and that the centre must be rejected, and that the centre must be thrown outside inot something wider. That is the essence of salvation. According to Paul in Romans chapter 4 the key element of salvation is faith. Paul used Abraham as a perfect example. Abraham had faith in God therefore, God justified him because of his faith. Abraham wasn't circumcised based on the rituals of the Jews. However, God circumcized him through the power of the Holy spirit and declared him righteous. God promised to Abraham that his descendant will become a great nation and they will be blessed because of that promise. So again salvation is not receiving by work but by grace through faith.
Gerad Vertilus comment on David hamstra: I appreciate and agree with David reflection and the good thing he said about the class and the lecture we had to read this week for this class. He mad some good commentary about everything we have cover so far.
Secondly, for the next refletions I would suggest to him that he needs to elaborate more on salvation because the main reason we are doing all these reflections is because we want to dig more about salvation and come to a better understanding and get and a big picture about salvation. Yet we may have other idea about how to do our reflection nontheless the focus must always be about salvation.
Romans 5
Whidden 5
Romans 5 is such a powerful text. Death through Adam, Life Through Christ is such an important theology. in the last part of verse 20 we really find the power of Christ's Character. "But where sin increased, grace increased all the more."
As I look at our human nature I find it necessary to understand how in spite of my imperfections Christ intercedes on behalf of me. Last week Dr. Hanna spoke of "body language" being part salvation, which is accomplished in Christ’s body, but Cannot be modeled without body language. From the beginning our creator taught us that our relationship with him is interactive. Christ breathed into Adam. Christ could have just spoken into Adam into existence, but he made it personal. I can imagine all of that God had created watching this model of body language and connection with mankind. What a beautiful model to follow! As I seek to understand salvation through reading Whidden and Romans I begin to understand the simple complexity of how salvation is attained. As Dr. Hanna put it last week, " Some say that salvation is simple so you don’t need the total model. God has given us the gift of faith which is simple, but we are saved by a miracle which is complicated." The Bible is our model, because it shows us Christ's model. This is why Tota Scriptura is essential to our Theology.
Kurtley Knight
10/01/08
Reflection 5
In our reading entitled “The Dynamics of Salvation”, the General Conference document summarizes what Seventh-day Adventist Christians believe in relationship to salvation. As most of you have already read the article, it covers a vast array of topics from reconciliation, justification, and sanctification to name a few which all should be understood in the context of the third angels massage. However, in reading the article I thought that it was somewhat limited. Can anybody guess what it is? It was the unique Adventist Sanctuary message that really is the major contribution to Christian theology. In no way do I pretend to be an expert in Adventist Sanctuary theology, yet even I must admit that it should be in this document. What does it mean that it’s not? Are we saying in effect that contemporary Adventist theology dismisses this distinctive understanding? Just thought I’d ask.
Whidden’s chapter regarding Ellen White went right along with today’s lecture. Ellen White is a perfect example of seeing things holistically and fully. She always had a bigger model because the Bible projects a bigger model of salvation as we’ve been taught. This is evident in the chapter discussion about her delicate balance between law and grace. She is attempting to not get pinned down but to articulate the Biblical records. This is why she and the Bible itself are often mistaken because they both speak to an approach that is both/and instead of either/or, thus for me further authenticating her inspiration.
This same theme is also picked up in Rom 5:2 when Paul says, “Through him we have also obtained access by faith into his grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” Notice is says, in hope. This is a both/and statement regarding the assurance of salvation. It recognizes right now one is saved but can be lost therefore the language of hope is used.
Reflection Paper#5 (Week Ending September 27, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
I always find Romans chapter 5 to be an interesting chapter in the bible. What I enjoy and find interesting about it is the contrasts Paul continually makes regarding the sinfulness of man versus the righteousness of God. After contrasting the human condition with the efficacious grace of Jesus in the chapter, Paul climaxes in verse 20 where he says that where sin abounds grace much more abound.
This chapter to me runs in contrast to the views that the 1888 committee put forth. Angel Rodriguez defended the biblical concepts well in eliminating the idea that there was a universal legal justification. The fact that Christ’s death was to supply grace and consequently salvation for the human race means that humans don’t have to die as he died. Also, when Christ died we weren’t present in him else if that was the case, we would have resurrected in Him and be in heaven. The universal legal justification simply does not make any sense.
In Chapter 6 of Whidden’s book, what was new in a sense to me was the way the author brought across the point that our character can be made perfect through Christ on earth. However, our nature will not be perfect on this side until glorification takes place.
Romel Charles
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Reflection # 3
Looking at Romans 3 it can be concluded that man’s need of salvation in greater than we know it. Verse 10-12 tells us that, “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” Man’s need of salvation is greater because of the confusion that arose in verse 9 with the accusation that Paul firmly denies that the Jews were better off or worse than the Gentiles. This leads to the conclusion given in verses 10-12 that no one has an advantage over anyone else that we are all in the same boat struggling. Whidden in chapter three talks about the different fanatics and their positions that were around in the decade before 1888. There were the “cheap grace” preachers and also the Holiness fanatics. The Holiness fanatics were similar to the people in Romans 3 that were saying that the Jews were better off than the Gentiles. Whidden says, ““In a wry twist they declared that some of the “sanctified” have even reached the almost hopeless position that they cannot sin” and “have no further use for the use for the Lord’s Prayer, which teaches us to pray that our sins may be forgiven.”” In “Christ Saved the Human Race” by Angel Rodriguez he takes a look at the statements that have been used to argue that she (Ellen White) believed that at the cross Jesus legally saved the whole human race. This was not the message that she wanted to convey. What was meant was that He (Christ) paid the ransom required as the result of Adam's fall, and saved the world in the sense that now there is hope for all who come to Christ, and receive him as their personal Savior. This directly correlates with the other two readings in the fact that there is no hope in ourselves because there is none that is righteous no not one. Even if you keep the law to the proverbial T, it cannot save you. For Mrs. White, salvation was useless unless “they would accept it.” In that case I guess salvation is like any other gift, it can be offered to you but if you don’t accept it then it is meaningless.
S. Michael Olaye
October 1, 2008
Blog #5
In Angel Rodriguez’ article “Comments on the ‘In Adam/In Christ Motifs” I found it shocking to discover that there were actually things that our pioneers didn’t really understand. This was clearly seen in the 1888 Study Committee when they tried to interpret the In Adam/In Christ statements found scattered throughout the Bible. Certain views would pop up that mimicked Calvinist views that we were helpless to the point that we needed to depend on God for making our own decisions. Rodriguez, alongside with Whidden, teach that we have the ability to choose what is right and wrong, however, we sin just like Adam. It will only be through Christ that we will be able to see Him in the earth made new.
Romans 5 is a beautiful chapter that allows us to understand what is said by the above authors. Sin came into this world through Adam, and that we will be saved from certain death through Jesus Christ. All of this is played out before our eyes in the plan for salvation.
Romel Charles
Reflection # 4
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
In “Comments on 1 Timothy 4:10” by Angel Manuel Rodriguez the discussion takes place on the text in 1 Timothy 4:10 which reads, “ For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.” This article is in existence because of a preacher that quoted this text to substantiate his claim that Christ saved the human race and that those who will actually be saved are those who do not reject that salvation. Romans 4:2-3 says, “If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Salvation is not received by not rejecting salvation but by faith in Jesus and the faith that He offered salvation and accepting it. Abraham was justified (part of salvation) by faith not because he did not reject God’s salvation. In chapter 4 of Ellen White on Salvation, Whidden talks about the personal testimonies of Ellen and James White. Ellen said, “I am not free from mistakes and errors in my life. This is a powerful statement because it showed that she did not consider herself to be superior to others. Later on she says that, “I do not say that I am perfect, but I am trying to be perfect.” From her humbling statement we can see that she understood the process of salvation. She did not just write about what she thought but she believed in what she wrote. This sets the precedence for us as Seventh-day Adventists in the fact that we have to practice what we preach and teach on a daily basis.
The most outstanding concept from my reading this past week was the explanation given in Whidden about the variances of theory regarding atonement. I agree with EGW that "atonement is moving in a line across the history of redemption". It's interesting how people have reduced atonement to a moral influence theory and I like how Whidden emphasizes the Calvary chapter in DA to refute this. God's active work of love is evident in the satisfaction theory that dominated EGW. I've often found in my research that any atonement concept, whether in paganism or spiritualism, makes use of an appeasement format. Interesting how the devil loves to defame the character of God by turning His own character against Him. But God's character is cosmically vindicated at Calvary through the second death suffering of His only Son.
Reflection #5
The first man on the earth; who God formed with His own hands; who had the greater knowledge than we will ever have until Jesus comes again. It wasn’t the Adam’s descendants that messed up, but it was Adam the first man, God’s first human creation goofed up and through him the sin entered into the world. Roman 5:12 says; “Just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men because all sinned.”
The article “In Adam” it did not clarify my understanding of “In Adam”, I was still confused. I like the word “through” rather than “in” just like the NIV translation puts it; “through one man”.
We are all sinners because of Adam’s sin, and l would like to think of it as we are the consequences of Adam’s sin. If a mother decides to drink during pregnancy, her baby might not come out normal. What did the baby do to deserve tragedy? The mother knew she shouldn’t drink but she did anyways, and so the result is an abnormal baby. Of course sin is much worse and dangerous and can’t compare with an alcohol.
But thankfully the life doesn’t end there because in verse 19; “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man than many will be made righteous”
We have a savior a rescuer; verse 21; “… so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord”
After reading the article and the Bible, it made me focused more on the good new and not how and why I was born a sinner.
Reflection Paper #6
I really enjoyed this week’s lecture and assigned readings. First, I thought that the Righteousness by Faith Consultation did an excellent job. I appreciated how they broke down certain concepts and terminology that we often use in the church as we describe the doctrine of salvation. After reading section 2 of the article, The Dynamics of Salvation, I found myself reflecting on my past experiences and looking for God in those instances. I was in awe when I thought of how God throughout the beginning of time initiates contact with humanity to save us. In addition, I thought about what my response has been to God in the past and what it should be in the future. Next, the article examined the steps we as Christians take when we accept God’s grace, and the restoration that takes place. I can see these steps and the transformation that has taken place in my own life as a result of my spiritual journey with Christ. There was one important point, among several, that was made in the article that I’d like to highlight, and that is the idea that faith and/or spiritual growth is not automatic. As a result, it’s imperative that we maintain disciplines that strengthen our desire to obey and submit to God’s will.
Whidden’s summary of Ellen White’s opinions on atonement was in harmony with the article and Romans 6. However, in Romans 6:14, “…for ye are not under the law, but under grace” I wandered if Paul addresses this verse to nonbelievers who are “at home in sin, unmindful of consequences and of God” or is he specifically speaking to believers, defined as individuals who have been consecrated, sanctified, and baptized? I ask this question because in Romans 6, Paul is speaking to those that are dead to sin, individuals who have apparently accepted Jesus Christ. Finally, lecture was thought provoking. I noticed after Wednesday that I started seeing certain biblical passages in light of the sanctuary and the cosmic conflict taking place in heaven.
There is so much confusion regarding I Timothy 4:10 as to those who are saved and those who been saved specially. Here Dr. Angel Rodriguez give a candid explanation which I entire agree. God has already provided a way of escape but simply accepting his plan of salvation. There is no class of people that is special to receive this salvation. Every soul has a responsibility to accept Him and consequently get true salvation. The gift of salvation is universally given to all not any group that is special.
I also agree with Whidden II that Satan has tried to put God as one who will not forgive a sinner because he can keep his laws. This implies that God’s grace is not sufficient yet we know that it is through grace that we are able to keep the laws. There is a need to balance law and grace to avoid the trap Satan has put in place according to Ellen White. We can only achieve perfect obedience to the law if we follow the foot steps of Christ who provided mercy for al although not worthy.
In Roman 4 Abraham is regarded as a man of great faith but not faith alone that made him great, his hope in God contributed a lot.
Comments on Baltazart’s 5th paper
I was interested in what you are saying about “several stages in a relationship with God.” And in every stage God leads us first and takes action before we do.
And another thing that I really agree with is “yet is so simple that a child could understand it.” God wants to save everyone even little ones but I believe that we make it harder.
Reflection 6
Romans 6 has been a good chapter for me. I have spent a lot of time with it in the last few weeks as I prepared my research paper for this class. But it was nice to sit and read it in its entirety for its whole message. I looked at the whole message of course, but then I moved to the more minute details recently, so the whole picture was good again. Paul talks about salvation being involved in the Baptismal situation. We die to sin in Baptism. This point brings to my mind the question of the necessity of baptism in our salvation. We have to die to sin, but is baptism necessary for that to happen? Obviously the thief on the cross did not have to be baptized. But if I have to opportunity to be baptized and chose not to, is that revealing an attitude that is not dead to sin. I think that is the answer to my question. Baptism was something that Jesus did and something he tells us to do, so if I chose not to when I have the ability, then I am shunning Jesus example and not willing to die to my sin.
I very much enjoyed the article on the Biblical Research Center site. I think it was a very helpful overview of salvation. It was based on the bigger model of salvation that Dr. Hanna has been talking about in class. It did not necessarily answer all of the deep questions we might find about salvation, but it gave us a good framework from which to work in discovering the answers to our questions. As we look at hard to understand texts and subjects related to salvation, it is helpful to have a big picture to compare it to and this article does a good job of giving us a big picture. It incorporates many of the pictures of salvation that we have in the Bible and was well organized. I appreciated it and will probably print a copy for my records.
The chapter on Ellen White’s beliefs on atonement was an interesting read. I thought that the emphasis on the atonement both being in the cross where Jesus provided forgiveness and in the heavenly sanctuary where he applies forgiveness to us was very helpful. Also the section where Whiddon described the three views of atonement and how they fit into Ellen White’s views was very helpful. She has a large view of salvation and that shows through in this chapter where she agreed with all three views to some extent, but she did not let any one exclude the others.
Reflection Paper #6
The story or theology of salvation is simple in a sense and very complicated in another sense but I believe that we should review His salvation story regularly so that we may not forget how we live. In that sense, this week’s reading assignment was perfect for it.
The article “The Dynamics of Salvation” describes how we get saved well and easily. Our condition is hopeless and “even our righteous deeds are as filthy rags in His sight.” So God started to salvation work first and we human beings just need to take it. But we are sinners so we don’t even know who God is how wonderful salvation is. So Jesus came down to the earth and showed us Father’s character. So the only thing that we should do is to trust Him and accept Him. And next step is to be sanctified until He comes back. This is brief summary of the article and I had no problem with it. But Ellen White touches a sensitive issue.
The issue is “total depravity.” John Wesley argued that “sinners are so deranged and depraved by sin that they cannot even respond to God’s redemptive initiative.” But Ellen White insisted that “such depravity is not total depravity and sinners still have the ability to respond to God’s saving offer.” I really appreciate for saying this to her. How is it going to be sad if I cannot even respond His calling.
Lastly, Romans 6 talks about how Christians should live in Christ. In verse 8 says, “how if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him.” If we experience His love and new born we have to live in Him continuously.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 06
THST 540 – 10/05/08
Whidden's chapter on the atonement was of particular interest to me. He was able to explain a doctrine that has, and continues to be, distorted by many scholars – even inside our own church. When one looks at the sanctuary as a reference, there is no room for misinterpretation of the value of Jesus sacrifice and his Investigative Judgment. Ellen White was a great tool, used by God to bring light over this theme. However, even her clear concepts got distorted. It should be, in my opinion, a subject of continuous study.
As for the article written by Heppenstall on perfection, it was very objective approach to the subject matter. I do, however, think it could be more in depth at some points. It is, nonetheless, a accurate perspective on perfection as we read it in the Bible. I enjoyed the fact that he defines perfection as a process of eliminating the barriers between us and God, and names Jesus its one and only source. It is a flowing process guided by the Holy Spirit in which we cooperate by deciding to live a Christlike life every day. It was appropriate to explain the concept of sin versus perfection since it has been misunderstood so many times before. A misinterpretation of our “perfect” nature undermines the purpose of the entire Redemption Plan, and denies the value of Christ's victory.
Perfection is a journey – not a destination. It is this journey towards perfection that I see represented in the sixth chapter of Romans. Paul addresses the purpose and the motivation that leads us to live a Christlike life. After showing the magnitude of the victory of Christ, Paul reasons over the joy it is to live on the decision of serving God. It invites to a fulfilled life in freedom without barriers between us and God – a life of communion from which we receive eternal life.
Reflection # 5
Well, another section dealing with the topic of ‘Universal legal Justification’. But this time the reading of Romans fit right in with the article and chapter of the book. So, the whole discussion of being ‘In Adam’ and ‘In Christ’? There was some interesting discussions and viewpoints covered again. As the article mentioned, to pursue the argument to the realms of physiological and physical extremes that is necessary to claim ‘universal legal justification’ boarders extremely close to pagan dualism. A question I might have then if we were ‘In Adam’ when he sinned, weren’t we in Adam when he finished his life victoriously? (I believe that Adam will be heaven) I mean, why wait for a savior if Adam is good to go? Let’s pack up this ship and get out of here. Okay, so I know that is farfetched. But when you stack up the rest of scripture about each one of us needing to come to repentance and God desiring no one to be lost (meaning some will be) and the rest of it, I think that builds a case against everybody being universally legally justified ‘In Christ’.
Romans chapter 5 has one of my favorite verses. Verse 8 says, “God demonstrates his love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” That just makes me be in awe of God. To think that before I was born and started on my path of sin, Jesus took the initiative and died for me! He loved me that much already, I can’t do anything more (or less) to change that love for me!! Paul also wrote about the gift of grace. A belief of universal legal justification would actually impose justification upon someone who might not want it (which I’m sure there would be), whereas a gift entitles the recipient to be totally independent and free to either receive or reject that gift.
I enjoyed the chapter from Whidden’s book. For me, this chapter seems to contain material that was not so hard to bring together. Let me try to explain. To me, it seemed that previous chapters were covering a great expanse of material and trying to condense it into a couple page summary, therefore necessitating the reader to be knowledgeable on a lot of material outside the chapter. But to me at least, this chapter was quite well presented, or maybe I just understood all the peripheral material better this time. Anyways, the author concludes with a great statement concerning Mrs. White’s views. He says that ““The the effects of sin are so pervasive that we need God’s convicting, calling, converting, justifying, and empowering grace at every advancing step in our experience of salvation.” Amen.
Whidden Ch. 6
Romans Ch. 5
BRI. Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs
Whiddon’s chapter of atonement was very good in the light of so many Christians that put all of the emphasis on the cross. As important as that is, it by itself is incomplete. It’s also interesting that the early pioneers of our church believed the opposite—that the emphasis should be on the High Priestly ministration of the heavenly sanctuary. In reality, it should be both. He sums it up nicely by saying, “Therefore, atonement not only involved making provision for the forgiveness of sins, but also application of these gracious provisions to repentant sinners.” Absolutely. I also liked his treatment of the “theories” of salvation, especially the moral influence theory. How a person can say that basically God won’t destroy or doesn’t have the right to destroy (because He is love) is beyond me.
I also really liked the BRI article about perfection. I think he is dead on. Though we can have power from Jesus to overcome sin, our sinful nature is never vanquished. The number of people that have bought into sinless perfection and, as a consequence, slaughtered their faith and left the church (and more importantly Christ Himself) is staggering. We have to understand that it is Christ that does all of the work, not us. We choose daily to follow where He leads and obey and that’s it.
As for Romans 6: “But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” There’s nothing I can add to that.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 6
THST 540 – 10/07/08
I have enjoyed very much to read chapter six from Romans, dead to sin but alive in Christ. Paul introduced in chapter 5 the idea that where sin abounded, grace abounded much more. So it means that we can “continue in sin” because we are under the grace and not anymore under the law. And Paul gives a very strong answer “certainly not”. He establishes also a very strong principle here, if we have died to sin, then we should not live any longer in it. It simply doesn’t work to live any longer in something you have died to and also that we having been set free from sin, so we became slaves of righteousness. To be slaves of righteousness means more than a simple employee, it means that we now willingly serve Jesus and ignore our own interests. And now because we have been set free from sin, we never have to sin again. But the apostle John says clear in 1 John 1:8: “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” So the idea is that Sinless perfection in this body is an illusion. And here comes also Whidden article where Ellen White is talking about this saying that “sinners will retain their sinful nature until glorification”.
In the BRI article, states that the dynamic of salvation is always “centered in the righteousness of God and His Son”. And that the righteousness of God leads us from “guilt to justification, from sinfulness to sanctification, from alienation to restoration and on to glorification”. Christ died for us so we can have salvation, all of us, but He is not forcing us to accept, it is our choice. He made peace with us and now it depends on us if we want to accept. We must trust God and put our faith in Him and in His word, like Abraham did it.
Reflection 6
I accidentally reflected on Romans 7. Maybe next week I will do Romans 6.
Just a quick note on class last week. I really appreciate the way Dr. Hanna has approached the topic of the Sanctuary. People are always arguing if the sanctuary is a literal place and so on and so on. Dr. Hanna has pointed out that the Bible states that there is a heavenly sanctuary so one must exist. We must not debate or inquire whether there is a sanctuary in heaven, but what the sanctuary in heaven actually entails. Dr. Hanna stated that "earthly sanctuary is both literal and symbolic.
-so being literal is not contrary to being symbolic and vise verse."
Now on to Romans 7
I just love Paul. If there was anyone in the Bible so upfront about his own issues, its definitely Paul. He says in Romans 7:14-20. This speaks right to my heart. "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me." Paul really understood himself and understood what grace and mercy are all about. God wants us to come to him as humbled sinners. To understand how corrupt we really are and come to the feet of Christ broken in this understanding He is there to cleanse us. Christ has died for the imperfect and sinful, if we were perfect and sinless, then would Christ really have needed to be our atoning sacrifice. Salvation would be a right and not be based on Gods infinite Grace and mercy to his people. Whidden stated that Ellen White mentioned that Sinners will never achieve perfection until we are glorified in Christ. We must understand that Christ interceding on our behalf is the key ingredient in our salvation. It's not what we can do, but what Christ can do in us, through us, and for us.
Reflection Paper #6
The chapter 6 of Romans is one of those unique chapters where the Apostle Paul challenged the thoughts of his readers. Paul emphasized what a true converted Christian is like, no longer live in sin but only in Christ who gave His life for our salvation. I like how the Apostle used what he called “human terms” to describe our condition as “slaves to righteousness” because Christ has set us free. It reminds me of what one singer used to say that; “The only way to be free from this devil’s snares is to become a slave of God.” That was said in a good meaning of “slave” just as the way the Apostle puts it.
The chapter 7 of Whidden’s book really confirmed my belief in the concept of Christ’s atonement. I really appreciated Ellen G White’s understanding of this concept because others have placed so much emphasis on one aspect of Jesus’ death and neglect the other. Despites there were many historical views on atonement but Ellen White believed that Jesus not only died for His love for sinners but also to justify the requirements of the law. Whidden said it beautifully, saying, “God’s love is always based on both divine justice and mercy (not on mercy alone). People often emphasized “mercy” and neglect “justice” and this imbalanced view of atonement makes “grace” as something that is cheap but it is costly, Jesus’ own life was offered for our salvation.
Rodriguez’s article on “SOME PROBLEMS WITH LEGAL UNIVERSAL JUSTIFICATION” is interesting. The concept means everyone is “legally saved, justified and pardon by Christ death. Arguing from the Scripture, Rodriguez pointed out biblical points why this “Legal Universal Justification” contradicts with Bible teachings. I totally agreed with him, the idea really questioned Christ’s atonement that EGW was talking about. This really tied together with E.G. White’s idea of looking at atonement from a bigger picture than emphasizing portions of the truth. This is really binds with what we had discussed in class. People placed so much emphasis on some aspects of salvation and neglect other aspects. This can only results in arguments to prove ones position but we ought to place our theology of salvation in a bigger model and use the totality of Scripture as the main source.
Reflection Paper 6
THST 540
10/8/08
David Hamstra
The class discussion was centered on the concept of “sanctuary” in the context of body theology. We focused on some different sanctuaries that are mentioned in scripture and how there is a heavenly and earthy antitype and type to them. I was surprised that the Sabbath as a sanctuary was not included on the list.
Romans 6 elaborates on the nature of the reign of grace Paul mentioned at the end of chapter 5. According to Paul, grace is not a state in which we are free to sin because of the possibility of forgiveness (vv. 1-2a). God through grace has freed us from sin through our spiritual participation in Christ’s death (vv. 2b-3) and resurrected us in a state of heart obedience to God’s law (v. 17). In this reign of grace we are slaves to righteousness and free from the dominion of sin (v. 18).
The chapter of Whidden’s book dealt with Ellen White’s view of the atonement. He took strong issue with those who believe that the moral influence theory is the only way to understand the atonement in Ellen White’s writings. While he made a strong case that White’s view of the atonement was broader than that, he did not offer a case against the moral influence view that matched his rhetoric. For example, he did not deal with the notion that Satan is the primary cause of destruction and God’s judgment what happens when we choose to separate ourselves from him.
The BRI document I read was a summary of the Adventist understanding of salvation compiled in the late 70s. It presented a broad and balanced view of the topic, which I found interesting given its historical context in the impending Ford controversy.
Comments on Betty Toussaintt’s 6th paper
Thank you for sharing your personal devotion with us. I agree with you that all the transformation should be taken place in our own lives. It is nothing to admire another’s experience and listen to their experience. We should meet God in person and have our own experience.
And as you said that “faith and/or spiritual growth is not automatic” we need discipline in our lives and every moment. I appreciate mentioning it.
Doctrine of Salvation: One page reflection.
Comments on the article" How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible? By Edward Heppenstall
The subject of Christian perfection has daunted many and still poses threats to Christian unity as the debates go on, is Christian perfection is possible or not. Isa 64:6 For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
This text, was explained to mean that our righteousness is considered to be as rags because rags, do not cover us, and filthy because “they leave us in our defilements and sins”. So clearly, in comparison to that of God, our righteousness is as filthy rags. But notice that it is righteousness, and if we had been faithful to Him, He is the one who enabled it in our lives. So there is some good that is being manifested but that righteousness, (right doing) is nothing when compared to God’s. So in this sense, perfection impossible, because we can never be like God, try as we may. Perfection to me is living up to all the light we have received. This is possible, in God’s power. We struggle a great deal, yes, but the fact that we struggle to overcome sin does not mean that it is impossible to overcome known sin. Let’s not bluff ourselves, we know when we are yielding to temptation which results in sin, and we know what the right thing would be, but we give in because of our desire to satisfy self and because of our weakness, as stated by Paul in Romans 7: 14-25. Of course sinning in ignorance is overlooked according to the scriptures and God’s mercy always shines brightly through all this.
Christ came to show us an example of how to overcome sin in a human body. Let’s understand that we should not make Christ exactly like us, as Inspiration cautions, but let’s also face it, it was His purpose to show us how to overcome sin in a sinful nature, and that was through total dependence on God, like He did. Woodrow mentioned that Christ’s temptation more so was to use His divine power to overcome, I agree, but his nature was a balance between Divine and human nature, and He was tempted in all points like as we are tempted, and yet without sin, meaning that it is possible for us to overcome. Victory over sin does not mean you have arrived, but an upward ascent into the likeness of God is what He wants and that is what He calls perfection, occasionally. Job was considered a perfect man, but He complained to God and God had to straighten Him up a bit, a few direct questions did the trick. Even though Job was counted perfect, he never went about boasting, but said he despised himself. Let us, through the grace of God faithfully live up to all the light we have received, and also continue on the upward way, gaining new heights everyday.
In class we discussed the existence of the sanctuary, looking at the type and antitype. Clearly the scriptures show that there is a sanctuary in heaven, just as the earthly sanctuary was real and symbolic, the heavenly is both symbolic and real. It was a very beneficial discussion
Reflection Paper#6 (Week Ending October 04, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
From Whidden’s book, I got to understand that Ellen White took a holistic approach regarding the atonement. Whereas her counterparts in the late 19th and early 20th century believed that atonement was a one off event that took place at the cross, Ellen White would have her readers and contemporaries understand that atonement is an ongoing process which has past, present and future implications. She was balanced in her views of atonement. After reading the different theories of atonement as presented by Whidden in his book, in my opinion I think that there is a little truth to the different theories presented on the atonement. For example from the Moral theory, I think that God is moral for He “so love that he gave” and from the substitutionary theory, “he was wounded for our transgression.” Consequently, an eclectic approach should be taken when utilizing the various theories of atonement.
In Romans chapter 6, Paul continues where he left off from chapter 5 with some witty rhetoric. What I like in particular about the text is the symbolism depicted in Christ’s literal death, burial and resurrection with the believer’s spiritual death and burial to sin and resurrection in righteousness. I also like the play upon words when he speaks of the believer as once being enslaved to sin but now is enslaved to righteousness.
What to say about Rodriquez’s reflection on the dynamics of salvation. It is fully compact, meaningful and has a biblical systematic approach regarding how salvation should be viewed. These were taken from the perspective of Humanity being desperate because of sin, God’s intervention, Our response to Grace, Our new status in Christ and Humanity’s new life in Christ.
Romel Charles
Reflection #5
In Ellen White on Salvation, Whidden goes over the central theme of Ellen White’s theology. It is the relationship of law and grace against the backdrop of the great controversy. She talks about the three charges that Satan made against God’s character. First, “God is arbitrary and unfair to require obedience to His law, since this law could not be obeyed. Second, Mercy is swallowed up by justice, as humans cannot be forgiven by such a just God. Third, God’s mercy destroyed justice, with the result that Christ’s death abrogated the Father’s law. This seems to correlate with Romans Chapter 5 in the fact that verse 4 talks about character. It seems that an attack on our character is something that we as believers may have to go through attacks on our characters. If God had His Character attacked then are we any better? We need to persevere so that our characters may be proven having been justified by our faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. IT seems that Ángel Manuel Rodríguez addresses a similar theme in Comments on the "In Adam/In Christ" Motifs. It is clear that a misunderstanding of the phrases "in Adam/in Christ" has created some very serious theological problems for the 1888 Study Committee. According to Rodriguez, “the phrase "in Christ" is not biblical” and therefore seems to be an attack against the understanding of Christ and that “in Christ” refers to a marriage relationship and never as the condition of unbelievers and Christ. So I guess it is safe to say that when it comes to salvation at one point or another our characters come under some type of attack.
Assignement 10/08/08
In Edwared Heppenstall’s article about biblical perfection, the author did a good job describing the biblical view of perfection, which so many Adventist seem to misunderstand. What interested me was that this document seems to be a fairly good marker where many of our scholars are on this topic. However, my short 27 years of living has observed that this is not where the majority of our people and churches are. They still hold unto an old salvation by works, before 1888 mindset (perhaps this was a little harsh). While performing the works of God are important they must be done out of submission to God’s love and nothing else. Still, far to many of our people only seem to focus on earning our way into glory. The question is why is there such a disconnect on this teaching even in 2008? The other thing I liked was how the author pinpointed what I thought was the key, abiding in Christ. In my own life I’ve come to the conclusion that while I desire to be free from sin, it’s only my job to come to Christ. That’s the problem, we’re to focused on the sin problem. The problem is not ours to deal with, it’s Christ’s. All I can do is abide in Him, present myself to him, seek to grow closer to him (which includes the eradication of sin from my members). The difference is that he’ll remove what needs to go; my job is to simply keep abiding and submitting in Him.
I am also happy to know that Ellen White believes that while we are depraved by sin that it hasn’t lead us to total depravity like Calvin stated. Instead, there is still some goodness in humanity (we’re made in the image of God, conscience, natural morals, etc…). And while this goodness is not enough for salvation it means that sin hasn’t totally done us in.
The last reading hit me in v.15 where Paul begins to state that we can’t go on sinning but must be slaves to Christ. See even here the emphasis is not on sin but on being a slave to another master. We need to stop focusing on sin, instead focus on Christ’s righteousness.
10/09/08
Gerard Vertilus
Last class period we were discussing about the sanctuary, our conclusion proved that we have a heavenly sanctuary and an eartly sanctuary. We also mentioned the type and the antitype. Oour main focus was salvation found in the sanctuary. we even say that everything else found in the sanctuary. Everything in the sanctuary pointed to Christ, this the reason we believe that salvation in found in the sanctuary. As the bible clearly stated that let's build be a sanctuary so that I may dwell among you. God presence is there in the sanctuary. God's dwell among his people. What is important about the sanctuary message is that: Christ is pleading for his people, telling God that they are not guilty, my blood is cover them. In the letter to the romans Paul stated that believer were dead to sin, but because of this sacrife, they are alive with God. Christ blood cover them and reconcile them with God. The question is because the guilt of sin should a believe continue to offer sacrifices? no! christ declare us not guilty for ever. His ministry in the sanctuary, his blood cleanse us from our sin.
this comment is on sheldon Smith reflection: I certainly agree with you on your reflection when you say that humanity found salvation in Christ after his resurection. That's true,
in my opinion Paul main focus in roman chapter six where you said he left of on the guilt of sin, Christ made believer alive with God.
After losing the Whidden book and then reuniting with it after a week, it was interesting to read about EGW and her understanding of the nature of Christ (Christology). I have a pastor friend who had a real problem with this in his church. He got caught up in the controversy because he chose to take a side on the issue. It is clear from EGW's understanding that it is one of those issues which is difficult to understand, especially here on this side of glory. This statement is fundamental to the understanding: "Christ's nature was vigorously presented as a mysterious blending, or union, of humanity and diety; such a blending was deemed essential to Christ's uniquely saving work." (Whidden 61) I feel bad for my friend who seemed to agonize over the contention in his church and I wish I could have helped him more.
The other interesting article that I had a chance to read this week was "Why Did Jesus Die?
How God Saves Us" from the BRI. This article articulated what I've known for a long time about Christ's ultimate love for us, a love which was willing to be eternally separated from His Father for our sakes. I also enjoyed the piece explaining the ransom mystery. If the devil exacts a ransom, this would put him in a position of power, of which he has none. A key statement about this issue was: "There is a far more important truth-namely, that in Christ's atonement a monumental price was paid, not in crass commercial terms, but to accomplish reconciliation between us as fallen sinners and our righteous God, to set us right with God." What a graceful action! It seems to me that God makes it easier to be saved than to be lost.
Name: Rosana Joel
Reflection Paper # 6
Justification and the Cross
Why justification? At the cross of Calvary, Jesus was out to convey the message of reconciliation between the wicked man and the Holy God. The Calvary sacrifice can be understood from the context of what Adam chose in the Garden of Eden. He accepted to be in the opposing side of God and God had intended to live with him from ever. Due to that factor God had to get another mean of bring man to His original purpose of living – sinless being together with a Holy God. Rodriguez testify the uniqueness of Adam’s sin in manner of its consequences which results to a unique reconciliation at Calvary – a Holy Being dying for a sinner.
Before we clearly grasp the real intent of Christ’s death on the cross, we need to have a base of how this sin is to all humanity whereas it was committed by only one man. I like the way Rodriguez narrates this paradox, in manner that the sin of humanity is not the sin of Adam, but because he was the one who represented humanity, what he did affected humanity. This is one of the main mysteries of the Bible. On the cross we also see another mystery in sense that we are reconciled back to God on the merit of the Holy Christ. Humanity did not in any way participate in the sacrifice on the cross, but they are partakers of the sacrifice. The whole salvation process that has its foundation in ‘sin’ and its climax (not the end) on the ‘cross’ is a real mystery.
Humanity then can appreciate the sacrifice at Calvary when sin is viewed as an intruder into this world. Sin was not created by God and because its purpose is to oppose God, God in Christ had to blow it away by taking away what it inflicted in man – death. Justification now gives humanity a foundation battle of sin, as sin shall be eradicate at the end of the world.
Reflection Paper #7
There are so many arguing on Romans 7. I have difficulties on some of verses in the chapter as well. But I believe that even Paul got through the process of sanctification. In Romans 7: 21, “I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.” It sounds like Paul wants to follow God’s law but his original character prevents him from it. This verse can be related to the article, “How perfect is perfect or is Christian perfection possible?”
First of all, I love Heppenstall’s argument and totally agree with him. He argues both sides, able to be perfect and unable to be perfect, and defines how the Bible talks about perfection. According to his definition, “The Bible, in applying the term “perfect” to believers, never means “sinlessness”.” So people cannot be perfect until they go up to the heaven. They cannot remove all the intension leaning to sin. And he concludes his article as “salvation by grace alone means that absolute perfection and sinlessness cannot be realized here and now.” I love this phrase. I believe that God looks at our intension and how perfect we are.
Lastly, Whidden touches ceaseless topic, the nature of Christ. I think even Ellen White couldn’t fully understand His nature because she mentions both as Whidden says “some have even concluded that she was simply contradictory in her thought.” And Ellen White says that Trinity and the incarnation etc. are mystery and we will figure it out when we get to heaven. So I just want to believe that Jesus understands me fully and He was on earth for 33 years.
Reflection #6
From the article the dynamics of salvation boils down to two main parts. One is the gift from God which we are all free to receive, no strings attatched. Second part is our choice to receive or reject the gift that is given to us. Under this two parts there are many sub categories that follows.
When we choose to accept the gift of God we begin to experience the changes in our lives. That degree of experience may be different from person to person but every one experiences changes. Sometimes the new change brings physical challenges but spiritually all fired up.
Because we are born bent toward evil, we are natually inclined to do evil, and cannot of ourselves choose the good.
So in order to choose to do good we need the energy and the will from God, so that we may still choose to accept the gift of salvation in our sinful condition.
We need to have faith and the essence of faith is trust. Paul says in Romans chapter 6 we need to die in sin and alive in Christ. to become new and accept the gift of salvation we need to renew ourselves by experiencing a newness in Christ. No longer be a slave to sin but now a slave to righteousness.
The slave to righteousness will bring a new life, restoration and a special spiritual growth that springs up from inside, and the sense of assurance to keep the mind and the heart at ease.
The best part is that even though we may be sinful and the temptations may be difficult to overcome, it is possible that we all can have a new status in Christ.
Reflection #7
Everyday we struggle with sin. Romans 7:21-23; So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members."
Under these conditions how can we be perfect? Accoding to Edward Heppenstall the Biblical perfection doesn't mean perfect as sinlessness but as a "spiritual maturity, full grown spiritually ripe in spiritual understanding, whole in response to god, keeping nothing back. A Perfect Christian is one whose heart and mind are permanently committed to Christ, cannot be moved." He continues on saying that we will not be perfect until we go to heaven.
I was reading a book "I used to be perfect a study of sin and salvation" by George R. Knight and his interpretation of Matthew 5:48 "be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect". "Being perfect as the Father is perfect according to verses 43 to 47 means loving (agapao) not only one's friends but one's enemies. Love your eneimies and pray fo rthose who persecute you so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven." Pg.47 "the key New Testament word translated as perfection is teleios the adjective form of telos... which means and end, a purpose, an aim or a goal. People are therefore perfect (teleios) if they fulfill God's purpose for them. The meaning of teleios is not sinless but mature. Mature in his love to both God and other people. The mature commitment lies at the base of biblical perfection." Pg. 75
Edward Heppenstall and George Kight interpreted the verse a bit differently. Both mentions the word percect as a spiritual maturity, but George focused the perfect as love. I agree more toward George Knight's view in perfectness. We need to have the love of God, our neighor and have a perfect relationship with God.
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
October 8, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
The discussion began with reference to Galatians 5:13, and the summons to liberty found in the Biblical gospel. This concept was stressed in contrast with the doctrine of predestination as traditionally taught by the Augustinian-Calvinist strain in Christian thought.
The order of the saving process as depicted in Romans 8:29-20 was likewise noted. Five steps were reviewed, as listed in this passage: (1) foreknowledge; (2) predestination; (3) calling; (4) justification; and (5) glorification. Sanctification, of course, is not listed here, but elsewhere in Paul’s writings it is plainly included as part of the salvation process (see II Thess. 2:13).
Biblical evidence for each of these phases was discussed and considered. Old Testament examples such as God’s awareness of Jeremiah before he was even conceived (Jer. 1:5), as well as God’s statement to David about what Saul would do to him if he remained in the city of Keilah (I Sam. 23:10-13), give evidence of how God outlines a path for people to follow, describes the consequences which will result if a particular choice is made, while leaving the ultimate choice to the individual.
Predestination is likewise shown, in Paul’s writings, to be God’s intention for His creatures, not only human beings but the entire natural world (Rom. 8:21-22). Humans are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29), but in the end, the choice remains their own (Rev. 22:17).
Reference was also made to one of the best known verses in the book of Romans—chapter 8, verse 28, which speaks of how “all things work together for good to them that love the Lord.” This isn’t saying, of course, that only good things happen to those who love the Lord, only that all things work together for good. Comment was made that using such a verse at the death of a loved one, however well intentioned, may not be the wisest use of God’s Word.
Reference was also made in the discussion to Ellen White statements on the subject of election and predestination. The following statement is written by Ellen White in commentary on the experience of Jacob and Esau, often used by Calvinists as evidence of arbitrary divine election:
“God has set forth in His word the conditions upon which every soul will be elected to eternal life—obedience to His commandments, through faith in Christ. God has elected a character in harmony with His law, and anyone who shall reach the standard of His requirement, will have an entrance into the kingdom of glory. . . .
“Every soul is elected who will work out his own salvation with fear and trembling. He is elected who will put on the armor, and fight the good fight of faith. He is elected who will watch unto prayer, who will search the Scriptures, and flee from temptation. He is elected who will have faith continually, and who will be obedient to every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (PP 207-208).
“Wonderful possibilities are provided for every one who has faith in Christ. No walls are built to keep any living soul from salvation. The predestination, or election, of which God speaks, includes all who will accept Christ as a personal Saviour, who will return to their loyalty, to perfect obedience to all God’s commandments” (Gospel Herald, June 11, 1902).
Discussion followed. Reference was made to the twin cases of Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar, as examples of how God hardens and softens the heart based on the reaction of the individual.
Comment was made at this juncture that some believe we won’t sin in the hereafter because we will lose our freedom to choose sin. Inspiration teaches no such thing.
This is one reason why it is so important to understand the Bible truth that sin can and must be fully overcome by the sanctified Christian (see Psalm 119:1-3,11; Rom. 8:4; I Cor. 15:34; II Cor. 7:1; 10:4-5; Eph. 5:27; I Thess. 5:23; I Peter 2:21-22; 4:1; II Peter 3:10-14; I John 1:7,9; 2:1; 3:2-3; Jude 24; Rev. 3:21; 14:5). If Christians stop sinning at death or the second coming of Christ, the question must be asked as to why this has happened, and why not sooner. If the claim is made that because our sinful nature is removed, we no longer sin, the question must be asked how sin got started in the first place—in a place where no one had a sinful nature.
Sin, at the bottom line, is a matter of the will (James 1:14-15), not of an inherited nature. And unless the will is sanctified and consecrated here on earth, to the point where sinful choices are no longer made even under the most adverse of circumstances, sin can just as easily rise in the new earth as in the old.
Reference was again made to body language, as used in Colossians 3:19—how believers are called into one body through the sacrifice and intercession of Christ (see also Heb. 10:14,20).
It was stated at a later point that glorification involves the bestowal of “immutable righteousness.” The transition from sanctification to glorification was dwelt upon significantly. I am concerned about the use of language here.
The change taking place at glorification is not a spiritual one. It is simply the elimination of our fleshly nature and corrupt bodies. The spiritual nature ahs already been fully purified, and sinful choices have long since been banished from the life. Ellen White is extremely clear about this in the following statements:
“When He comes, He is not to cleanse us of our sins, to remove from us the defects in our characters, or to cure us of the infirmities of our tempers and dispositions. If wrought for us at all, this work will be accomplished before that time. When the Lord comes, those who are holy will be holy still. Those who have preserved their bodies and spirits in holiness, in sanctification and honor, will then receive the finishing touch of immortality. But those who are unjust, unsanctified, and filthy, will remain so forever. No work will then be done to remove their sins and give them holy characters. The Refiner does not then sit to pursue His refining process and remove their sins and their corruption. This is all to be done in these hours of probation. It is now that this work is to be accomplished for us” (2T 355, italics original)
“When Christ shall come, our vile bodies are to be changed, and made like His glorious body, but the vile character will not be made holy then. The transformation of character must take place before His coming” (OHC 278).
From what I find in these statements, “immutable righteousness” comes through sanctification, not glorification. The latter simply eliminates the final physical traces of the curse of sin. Sin itself has been vanquished long before.
The discussion closed with talk of justification and freedom, and how the two are related. The fact is that the word for forgiveness in the New Testament is the same as the word for deliverance (see Luke 4:18). This is how Ellen White can say:
“God’s forgiveness is not merely a judicial act by which He sets us free from condemnation. It is not only forgiveness for sin, but reclaiming from sin. It is the outflow of redeeming love that transforms the heart. David had the true conception of forgiveness when he prayed, ‘Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me’ (Psalm 51:10)” (MB 114).
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
October 1, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
The discussion began with a review of the previous class exchange over sanctuary typology, and how both vertical and horizontal models enable the sanctuary message as taught by Adventists to define the relationship between God and man in the salvation process.
Most of the time in today’s discussion focused on the debate over whether the heavenly sanctuary is literal or symbolic, and the claim that this has been the principal battleground in recent Adventist controversies over the sanctuary message. I in particular raised serious objection to this claim, pointing out that disputes over the nature of the heavenly sanctuary have been consistent precursors to denial of the two-phased ministry of Christ in heaven, with the investigative judgment beginning in 1844.
It was claimed that if we agree that the heavenly sanctuary is both literal and symbolic, we could bring both camps together. A careful review of Adventism’s controversies on this subject offers little hope that this could happen. There is only one reason why the literal nature of the heavenly sanctuary has ever been questioned by certain Adventists, and that is because of their larger objection to the antitypical Day of Atonement beginning at the close of the 2300-day prophecy in 1844, and the implications of this doctrine for the church’s salvation theology. No one makes fun of “celestial geography”—Desmond Ford’s infamous phrase when attacking the sanctuary doctrine in 1979—when someone speaks of the mansions Jesus has gone to prepare for His children (John 14:2). But living in a mansion doesn’t disturb the carnal heart in the same way as a literal sanctuary where judgment is in progress.
No clever use of language can paper over these fundamental differences. Objections to the classic Adventist sanctuary doctrine are not based on disputes over buildings and furniture in heaven, but involve the essence of the doctrine of salvation itself. We are dealing here with principled variances, not semantics.
Certainly there are ways in which the heavenly sanctuary is symbolic as well as literal. One now-deceased Adventist scholar spoke of how, in American politics, the White House and Washington D.C. are often used as respective symbols of the president and government of the United States. But the White House is still a literal building, and Washington is still a literal city.
Before we leave this topic, perhaps it would be helpful to review some of Ellen White’s very strong statements on the literal nature of the sanctuary in heaven:
“Those who were seeking for truth found indisputable proof of the existence of a sanctuary in heaven. Moses made the earthly sanctuary after a pattern which was shown him. Paul declares that that pattern was the true sanctuary which is in heaven. John testifies that he saw it in heaven” (4SP 260-261).
The following statement is even sharper in its content:
“We all need to keep the subject of the sanctuary in mind. God forbid that the clatter of words coming from human lips should lessen the belief of our people in the truth that there is a sanctuary in heaven, and that a pattern of this sanctuary was once built on this earth” (7MR 171).
In the following passage Ellen White warns of deception in the last days on this very point:
“In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith” (CW 53).
The discussion continued with symbolic descriptions of such places as Jerusalem and Palestine as being sanctuaries, and the New Earth also at the end of the great controversy. No one disputes such a varied use of Biblical symbols, to be sure. But the basic differences over the two-phased ministry of Jesus in heaven, and the attendant differences regarding salvation, are not alleviated by the recognition that such terms as sanctuary can have different meanings.
Further observation was shared regarding such debates as that over the humanity of Christ—was Jesus’ nature pre- or post-fall? It was stated that in some ways Jesus’ nature contained both pre- and post-fall elements. Again, no argument. But this doesn’t change the fact that there are fundamental differences regarding this issue among contemporary Adventists, differences not eliminated by new or malleable terminology. Labels by themselves are never adequate to express ideas. Like the labels liberal and conservative, the pre- and post-fall labels regarding Chrstiology don’t tell the whole story. But the differences they represent are nevertheless substantial.
It is a mistake to assume that the substantive controversies of recent times in Adventism can be solved simply by searching for a middle ground. When principles are at stake, new or carefully crafted language cannot alter this reality.
Comment was likewise made regarding an alleged division in the church between persons believing in “Justification alone” salvation and others believing in “sanctification alone” salvation. I wasn’t sure what to make of this, as I know of no one who holds the latter position. Those in the contemporary church who oppose the justification-alone gospel do not hold that sanctification alone constitutes salvation, but that both justification and sanctification form the ground of the believer’s acceptance with God.
The afternoon’s discussion ended with an initial sharing of thoughts on the nature of the atonement and its relation to the cross. More will be shared, I would suspect, on this topic in future class exchanges.
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
September 24, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
Discussion began with a review of the previous week’s thoughts, including the principle of tota scriptura (the use of the totality of Scripture as the definer of doctrine and practice). Reference was made to Paul'’ statement to Timothy about how from a child he had been taught the Scriptures, which were able to make him “wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus” (II Tim. 3:15). The significance of this verse was noted as regards the fact that the only Scriptures Timothy was taught from his childhood were the Old Testament. Here Paul makes plain that the Old Testament Scriptures support the doctrine of righteousness by faith which he himself teaches.
Considerable time was spent on the analogy between body language and salvation which we find in Paul’s writings. Such verses as Colossians 1:21,22; 2:16,17; Hebrews 8:4,5; 10:20 were cited as evidence for this. These verses indicate that our salvation is accomplished by the bearing of our sins in Christ’s body, and how the rending of that body at Calvary represents our path to the throne of God.
The heavenly sanctuary, of which the earthly was a model, is very much an example of this typology.
Typology, as noted in our discussion, is both vertical and horizontal—the former referring to symbolism which connects man with God, the latter referring to shadows which point to a future fulfillment.
A length digression regarding Colossians 2:16,17 and the Sabbath took place. II Corinthians 3:3 was cited both as a parallel and a paradigm in which to understand Colossians 2, and how Paul in no way is teaching the abolition of the Ten Commandments in general or the Sabbath in particular.
What becomes clear, in passages such as these, is that Paul is addressing two separate but related issues—first, the elimination of the ceremonial law in Christ (of which the Jews needed to be persuaded as a corollary of accepting Jesus as Messiah), and secondly, the more universal problem of ritual piety as a frequent and unacceptable substitute for genuine conversion.
The law, according to Paul’s testimony, is fulfilled by Christ first of all in the sacrifice of His body, and secondly by its fulfillment in the life of believers, who constitute Christ’s body on earth. Such passages as I Timothy 3:16; Ephesians 5:23,28-33 elaborate upon this theme and its significance for the church.
The ultimate, physical salvation of Christ’s body will take place, of course, at the resurrection. Romans 8:21-23 declares that the creation awaits this restoration. I Corinthians 6:19 declares the human body to be the temple of the Holy Ghost when consecrated for God’s purposes. Ephesians 1:22,23 also highlights this metaphor of the church being the earthly body of Christ.
A discussion of predestination closed the class session. Does God predestine all to be saved, or only those who ultimately make the choice for salvation? How does divine foreknowledge affect human free will? Here we see yet further evidence of how the mysteries of the divine plan often boggle human analysis, and need simply to be accepted by faith to await more in-depth exploration in the far beyond.
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
Class Discussion
September 17, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
Class began with a review of our earlier discussion of the order of salvation as presented in Romans 8:29-30. Comment was offered that while other saving processes, such as repentance and sanctification, are not found in these verses, they are included elsewhere, underscoring yet again the need to consider all of Scripture before doctrinal conclusions are reached.
Emphasis was placed on the fact that sanctification will not cease when sin is fully overcome here on this earth, but will continue throughout eternity. Mention was made of an Ellen White statement which makes this point clear:
“It is your work to advance toward perfection, making constant improvement, until at last you are pronounce worthy to receive immortal life. And even then the work of progression will not cease, but will continue throughout eternity” (IHP 186).
Grace and freedom and their relationship to salvation were also addressed, including the doctrine of irresistible grace and predestination and how this relates to God’s will and our actions.
God’s character was also discussed—the extent to which His character both determines that He will exercise grace, yet leaves Him free either to exercise or not exercise it according to His will.
The question was asked, Is God aiming to frighten us with His power, or to convert us with His character? Do these two processes exist exclusive of one another, or do they interrelate?
Is God’s character one of choice, or beyond His choice?
It was suggested that God Himself practices self-control, thus setting an example for His creatures to do the same.
Thinking further on the question of God’s grace and simultaneous freedom to act or not act, I couldn’t help thinking that all happily married couples are free to get divorced, yet choose not to because they love each other. Their love determines the outcome of the choice they will make, but it does not remove their freedom to make it.
Reflection 7
This week I really enjoyed the article from the Biblical Research Institute. I have always wondered how Biblical perfection worked. This article seemed to be a very good explanation of that. Truly Christian perfection is living daily with Christ, in his shadow. And we don’t have that perfection now, lest any of us boast that we are perfect at following Christ. Instead, we must continue to look to Jesus to not only help us live each day, but to give us salvation at all. Never will we in this life be able to say that we are perfect, without sin, and able to be saved without Jesus. It was good to read about and gain a greater understanding of this very important subject.
Romans chapter 7 is also a great chapter. It has always been one of my favorites. It talks about our freedom from the law (though not in those words) with the analogy of marriage, which is a helpful way to look at it. However, our death to the law does not mean that we don’t keep the law. Paul ends the chapter with the fact that He deals with both a wish to do God’s law and a wish to break it. It is a fact that we all live with, but for the Christian the hold that sin has on us is broken by Jesus and He gives us the power each day to follow Him and to be different.
The Whiddon chapter on the nature of Christ was interesting. The nature of Christ is something that has been heatedly debated since not long after Christ lived. I appreciated some of the things Ellen White had to say about it. The fact that she constantly verified that it was a mystery that we were not supposed to entirely understand makes me feel better. There are some things, especially about God and his nature that are just beyond our understanding. I believe that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. The section about how Jesus could not totally understand our sinful state because though he had the same nature as us, he did not have the habitual sin added to it was an interesting point that I had never thought of. It makes sense that Jesus could not have the exact same temptation as the person who has been involved in sin so many times before, but the point that his temptation is greater because he had the power to do things that we can never be tempted by, is also true. His temptation was different, but not necessarily less than ours and yet He is still sinless.
Reflection Paper #7
The readings for this week touched on issues that many of us can relate to, because it affects us on a daily basis. The reading from Whidden’s book was very interesting and posed a lot of difficult questions about Christ’s ability to truly understand our struggles considering he was sinless. However, when Whidden surmised his arguments by underscoring the idea that Christ identified with our struggle to “depend upon self rather than divinely imparted power from above” to overcome temptation it brought the balance Ellen White discussed. Furthermore, I was surprised when I read that James White struggled with understanding Trinitarian views. However, I’m glad to see that Ellen White did not allow her husband’s views, and other Adventist ministers, stop her from fervently studying the scriptures, and allowing God to guide, through the power of the Holy Spirit, her understanding of the eternal deity of Christ.
Next, I think that Romans 7 is one of the chapters in the Bible that articulates how we, as sinners, feel about our struggle with sin. Most of us who have accepted Jesus Christ as our personally savior desire to do God’s will and live a sinless life, but our desires and our actions are not always in harmony. I am grateful that the Lord can see my heart! In Heppenstall’s article on “perfection,” he mentions that living a sinless life, according to the Bible, is more about spiritual maturity, and I agree.
Finally, I now understand clearly why Professor Hanna has stressed to us on many occasions that we need to preach what the Bible teaches even if we do not fully understand it ourselves. Following that principle is starting to make the concepts in this class easier to grasp.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 07
THST 540 – 10/12/08
The theme of Whidden's chapter for this week was the nature of Christ. This is a crucial theme that many of our doctrines evolve from, and I found that it is an important topic to study. After studying this theme, and the many opinions of Seventh-day Adventists theologians, it was good to read a more balanced position from Ellen White. EGW presents a holistic view on the topic. Her writings tend to be misinterpreted by those that defend their own views and opposing arguments by misquoting EGW's writings. This balance, that is in my opinion one hundred percent biblical, places Jesus as Adam before sin but also after sin. As Dr. Hanna referred in class, its not enough to defend only one of the extremes – there are points to consider on both sides, and Jesus' nature is implied in both. Whidden does a remarkable job in this concise chapter. I appreciate his boldness and seeking to balance the perspective of the nature of Christ using EGW's writings.
Rodriguez's article on justification was enlightening. He was able to explain on a deeper level the meaning of controversial verses. I appreciated his detailed exegetical explanation of the consequences of Adam's sin. I also enjoyed the careful way in which he establishes the parallel between the consequences of Adam's sin, and Christ's sacrifice. Considering the many anthropological challenges that can arise from these verses, it is a very precise and logical argument.
The seventh chapter of Romans is a true gem. First, because it precisely explains the law and how it works. Second, because we can see Paul as a human. He was just like we are – with the same struggles we experience in a daily life to follow God. Its hard to see that same kind of honesty in the Christian body today. He also sets up some leading clues to understand his anthropology, which is very interesting when studied in parallel with the principles of law he refers to here.
While justification and judgment seem to be quite opposite, I agree with Ivan T.
Blazen in his article “Is it possible to reconcile Paul's teachings of justification
and judgment?” that they can be reconciled. We have been given the power of choice
and proper reasoning will always reveal ways of making proper judgment. We cannot
expect a fair judgment if we have not reasoned well. God is faithful and ready to
reconcile us with him once we avoid excuses to remain in sin. Justification by faith
helps to guard the judgment from the false ideas that human beings never will be
able to stand in God's judgment or that standing there self-goodness will place
God's righteousness under obligation. As Savior, Christ obeyed God for our sake; as
Lord, He summons us to obey God for His sake. As Savior, Christ gave His life for
us; as Lord, He bids us live for Him.
Sometimes the issue of sin is so complicated such we don’t see any hope in salvation. But as much we are confused then Whidden II has put the subject clear through the writings of Ellen G. White. Although born sinful with a lot of guilt, we have every reason to come back to God by reckoning the redeeming power of Christ which is freely given but still abused by Satan and his agent to lure us back again to him.Chapter 5 of Romans presents justification as a free gift and it actually prides the benefits and blessings of justification like peace with God, access and standing in grace and receiving reconciliation. When we have all these then we have no doubt for our salvation.
In the article “How perfect is “Perfect” or is Christian perfection possible” by Edward Heppenstall, I basically agree with him that we cannot claim victory if Christ is not in us. Our sin problem will only be eradicated is Christ’s righteousness is imputed in us. We cannot claim perfection if we don’t recognize his presence always. The saving power of Christ is the only possible to achieve the required perfection and since we have our sinful then we will always strive to achieve. We have fight our sinful nature always by depending wholly in Christ and his righteousness. We must also learn to continue to walk with Holy Spirit so that He can direct our lives as we live in this sinful world.Shall we be reconciled back to Christ again? Whidden II White through Ellen explains
that reconciliation is possible through the intercessory prayers of Christ. It also
passes through the Cross because Christ made a clear provision for us all to be
reconciled back to Him. I agree with Ellen White in seeing the cross as the supreme
manifestation of God’s lve to the lost humanity. It is through the gift of the
cross that has brought proper atonement to those who are willing.
Likewise in Romans 6, Paul illustrates how or old sinful selves were crucified with
Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to
sin. But if we choose sin we shall indeed perish for ever because the wage of sin is
death.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 7
THST 540 – 10/14/08
In Romans chapter 7 God promised not only to forgive our sin, but also the power of defeat it. God wonderful grace save us from the condemnation of the law, but it doesn’t save us from the power of its teachings. In Rom 7:12 says that the law is “holy, righteous and good” and if it is broken it condemns us either Christians or heathen , because “sin is lawlessness”.( 1 John 3:4) God gave us the law to keep it and also God promises sufficient “grace to help us in our time of need” (Heb 4:16). We all know that we have broken this law and we are definitely "under" this law, outside only if He forgives us or help us not to brake anymore. Forgiveness and grace is the power that we all need. “Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom” (James 2:12). Although the honest and sincere people are not under the condemnation of the law they are still under the jurisdiction of the law.” Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.” (Revelation 22:14)
The chapter from Whidden, s book talks about a very controversial subject, Christ nature, a subject that we will find the answer only in eternity. What surprised me and it surprised me in a very nice way is the position that Ellen White had regarding this subject. Although she could have been influenced by external factors she was very firm in her position. What I understood about Christ nature is that physically He was like us, under the same laws, weak, predisposed to get sick, and under the consequences of aging. But morally, Christ was unlike us, He was bent towards goodness while we are bent towards sin.
Ángel Manuel Rodríguez article “Justification and the Cross” gave me an idea about the universal impact of Adam’s sin and Christ’s salvation. Christ death on the cross is a “divine grace” and the purpose of this act was only the human race, and if we want to be saved we must accept this gift.
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
September 3, 2008
Our class discussion explored, among other things, the extent to which efforts to reduce the scope of salvation to one or another phase has been the source of controversy in the church. Consensus seemed to build around the idea that the larger the model for this doctrine, the more Biblically accurate our convictions become.
This notion may sound ironic to some, since in modern Adventism it has generally been those with a narrow model of salvation (i.e. justification alone) who have positioned themselves as “open-minded” and allegedly more inclusive. The more this issue is examined, the clearer it becomes—in this observer’s view—for perspectives on broadness and narrowness and similar concepts to be defined by the written counsel of God, not by human opinion or human scholarship or human experience.
Our discussion emphasized, however, the need for growth in understanding and experience to accompany our work and study of the Word.
Considerable time was spent on the distinction between Romans 2:13 (:the doers of the law shall be justified”) and Romans 3:28 (“a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law”). A number of thoughts were shared, including the possibility that Romans 2:13 is not saying that doing the law is the condition of justification, only that those who do the law are in fact justified. Others, including this respondent, stressed that when the whole of Biblical evidence is taken into account, it becomes clear that the “works of the law” excluded by Paul from justifying righteousness are in fact the works of the unrenewed heart, not the outworking of the Holy Spirit in and through the believer.
The issue of assurance arose, as it generally does in controversies on this topic. The question was addressed as to whether the desire for security on the part of certain ones can tend to obscure God’s reverence for free will in the saving process.
Romans & was also briefly touched upon. From this writer’s view, as expressed in class discussion, it is clear this chapter is not simply affirming the very real struggle of the sanctified Christian, but is in fact describing an experience of continual defeat, quite different from how Paul describes the experience of the converted believer elsewhere (see Gal. 5:24; I Cor. 9:27; II Cor. 10:5).
The nature of forgiveness, and of claiming that one is saved, was also discussed. The question again is reduced to whether we permit Inspiration to define these terms, or whether other factors besides inspired counsel are allowed to counterbalance the inspired evidence.
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
Class Discussion: August 27, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
The principal topic of our initial class discussion was one aspect of the definition of salvation. The question was asked, Is salvation:
1. An inheritance
2. A status
3. A state
4. A goal
5. A process
A survey was then taken as to which word best described what the Bible calls salvation. A significant plurality of the class voted that the word process best defined this term.
The discussion that followed covered a number of salvation-related topics, including the theory of some in contemporary Adventism that the whole world was forgiven when Jesus died on the cross. The question was also explored as to whether the “works” excluded by the apostle Paul from the saving process included the work of the Holy Spirit in and through the believer, or only those works performed by humans outside of God’s grace.
Comment was offered by one participant as to what seemed the biased nature of required books for the course, in contrast with the very balanced selection of recommended works which reflected well the current spectrum of thought in Adventism on this subject. It was noted by the objector that the book Ellen White on Salvation, by Woodrow Whidden—one of the course’s required reading assignments—is very much on one side of the current Adventist salvation controversy, while no comparable book from the opposite side was similarly required.
Reflecting further on this exchange, the present writer—who is also the aforementioned objector—holds that the question of the class’s objective may enter into this consideration. If the course is intended to cover the various views on salvation held in modern Adventism, it would seem imperative for the required readings to include a book from the perspective opposite Dr. Whidden’s. If, however, the course is intended to convey a specific conviction—from one side or the other—regarding this topic, a more selective group of required readings should be expected.
In all, the impression of the undersigned regarding the course’s initial class was very positive. I am looking forward to a careful and cordial exploration of issues and evidence throughout the coming semester. The subject in question lies at the core of the great issues presently dividing the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my prayer that a course such as this can uncover the kind of inspired clarity that can enable God’s church—through pastoral and other leadership channels—to find the genuine unity for which our Lord prayed.
Reflection Paper 7
THST 540
10/15/08
David Hamstra
In class we discussed salvation in terms of freeing the body from sin. We looked at this from the spectrum of body imagery: body, church, and creation. We also discussed this in relation to foreknowledge.
In Romans 7 Paul explains the relation of the law to the new life in the Spirit: just as the new life in the Spirit requires a death to the flesh, so also freedom from the condemnation from the law requires a death to the flesh (v. 4). That the law condemns us to death does not mean there is a problem with the law but rather with our inability to keep it (vv. 12-13). This inability is a result of a war between our flesh and the Spirit (vv. 14-25).
I though that BRI document I read did a good job of explaining the scripture passages on perfection that it dealt with. Its major weakness was in not addressing other scripture passages that talk about achieving perfection.
In the chapter from Whidden he dealt with the nature of Christ, a tall order from one chapter, however it was the best chapter length treatment of the subject I am aware of. He did not try to split the hairs but stuck to the important, even if paradoxical, details that matter. Perhaps we would be better off sticking with those points and leaving the rest to eternity.
Reflections paper: Week Seven
Comments on the article "The Dynamics of Salvation”, “Justification by Faith-Before 1888”
This article was on the findings of a committee which was set up to address our church’s deep theological problems, how to understand the plan of Salvation being one. They came up with a few points, which revealed our need as human beings, in light of Salvation. Humanity is in a hopeless situation until we realize our need to connect with God. “We are rebels at heart and rebels in deed, alienated from God and from each other.” We stand condemned in the sight of God because of our sinfulness and rebelliousness. We don’t understand our true selves, and we are alienated from the created world we live in, resorting to exploitation of it instead of careful dominion.
God, in His love stepped in with a divine remedy for our hopeless state through the gift of His son Jesus Christ, that Savior of the world. All that’s left for us is to accept the grace of God, Salvation by faith and live our lives in accordance to his will, in appreciation of His love. After accepting his merits of Salvation, we are granted a new status in life. We can now stand justified in his presence, reconciled to our God through the blood of Jesus. We stand forgiven and adopted as children of the living King and go through the process of sanctification in preparation for the life to come with our King. This results in a new life in Christ, characterized by growth into the similitude of His nature. This was the essence of their findings.
Chapter 9 in Whidden’s book discussed Ellen White’s view of Justification before 1888. He highlights the point that she “taught a powerfully objective doctrine of justification, but one that does not tolerate willful, premeditated, easy-come easy-go attitudes toward sin.” She supported the biblical view that we are not saved in our sins, but from our sins, which was one of the several key elements of her teachings. She further solidified it with the teaching that faith and works were never separated. She also strongly challenged the Calvinistic idea of the assurance of salvation, citing that “Those who accept Christ, and in their first confidence say, I am saved, are in danger of trusting to themselves.” For her, justification by faith was closely related to a proper attitude on the part of believer toward sin, God’s requirements, and His merciful attitude toward the faithful.
Our class discussion was on freedom, showing that God called us to freedom and that Rom 8, when viewed in full context is based on this aspect of freedom. The steps in Salvation, foreknowledge, predestination, calling, Justification and glorification are all to be understood in light of this freedom. We were predestined to be free, and the same applies to all the other steps.
Reflection Paper#7 (Week Ending October 11, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
In Romans chapter7, it would seem that Paul is illustrating the concept of the ten commandment law under the new covenant. He seeks to establish the spirituality of the law in light of the new covenant. The struggle he finds himself in is the struggle that all humans confront at some point in time if not for a lifetime. The constant antagonism between doing what is right vs what is wrong. However, despite the continuous conflict between the flesh and the Spirit, Paul seeks to align himself and encourages others that the law can be kept through the spiritual experience in a believer’s life.
As it relates to Edward Heppenstall’s document on how perfect is perfect, it made an interesting reading. What I particularly liked about it was the fact that God pronounced perfection on individuals that we would count as imperfect in our books. It therefore means that when Jesus told us to be perfect as His Father his perfect, it would seem to be a level of spiritual maturity in the sense that the Christian is spiritual conscious of God’s righteousness and his/her filthiness and daily reconciles his or her relationship with Christ. I also noted that despite the teaching in various circles that perfection can be achieved during a lifetime, Heppenstall points out that this is impossible since man would tend to want to boast or be proud about his or her perfection. The Christian’s only claim to perfection is Christ’s work of righteousness in his or her behalf. Total perfection will come when “this mortal shall put on immortality.” Consequently, while we are in the body of sin, our Spiritual nature will continually fight the sinful tendencies that come our way as we seek to gain ultimate perfection.
In chapter 8 of his book, Whidden points out that even though her contemporaries and fellow believers subscribed to the Arianistic view of Christ’s nature, Ellen White took a firm position in maintaining that Christ was fully God yet fully man and that he pre-existed with the father.
Name: Rosana Joel
Ref Paper 7
Salvation by Faith by Rodriguez
Salvation by faith is one of the many themes that are misrepresented in the globe of Christianity. Paul clearly states, “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.” Ellen G. White nails the point home by saying, “No one can be justified by any works of his own. He can be delivered from the guilt of sin, from the condemnation of the law, from the penalty of transgression, only by virtue of the suffering, death, and resurrection of Christ.” The theme that ties the process of salvation according to what Rodriguez is proposing is faith. It is awesome how he has differentiated the objective and subjective facets of faith. The description of the objective part of is awesome, “it has to do with information and data that lie outside my person and my experience.” Implying that faith sees the invisible and then embraces it, for instance believing that Christ died, rose and he is interceding for us in heaven. The subjectivity of faith is that of informed knowledge. We now can believe in what we have been informed as Rodriguez structures it. “This means that as far as our spiritual life is concerned, we are prepared to let go of all other structures of security, pronounce them invalid, and turn to Christ alone. At this stage our good works, our successes, and our score sheets do not matter. Only one thing does: belief in Jesus Christ.” The combination of the two gives us this summary, viewing faith not just the recognition and knowledge of an event outside of ourselves, namely, God's accomplishment in Christ on the cross. We see it also as the subjective act of turning to Christ in trust and submission, declaring the filthiness of our own garments.
Our salvation is only complete if we apply the double principle of faith correctly. So often is the subjective part that is taken, leaving the subjective part out. Salivation is a complete process in God if and only we grasp the truth about it. Mrs. White uncovers this truth when she said, "It is not enough to believe about Christ; we must believe in Him. The only faith that will benefit us is that which embraces Him as a personal Savior; which appropriates His merits to ourselves."
Assurance is offered to all who may want to give up due to challenges experienced in the journey of salvation by faith. Again Rodriguez uses Ellen G White to advance his case, "The nearer we come to Jesus, and the more clearly we discern the purity of His character, the more clearly shall we see the exceeding sinfulness of sin, and the less shall we feel like exalting ourselves." We are more assured to remain in Christ as the battle toughens and at the end of it all we shall be overcomers in Christ Jesus.
10/15/08
Reflection 7
In his article Rodriguez gives detailed and excellent exegesis through numerous problem passages in Romans dealing with the justification of humanity. He skillfully discusses the universality of death and the Law. He concludes that according to the Bible Adam’s sin was disobedience to an express command given by God, which resulted in the entrance of sin and death into the world. Connecting this with another idea streaming throughout the paper he goes on to say that it is obvious that the sin of Adam is not considered to be the sin of all, even though the consequence of Adam's sin affected all. Adam’s sin brought death with it which in turn caused a separation between humanity and God. While I agree with this conclusion I couldn’t help but ask how this interpretation affects our anthropology? In other words, with this emphasis that humanity is totally separated from God (which I don’t disagree with) I wonder how we view man’s depravity? Is it total or something else? If total then it leads to Calvin’s deterministic predestination. If not then humanity has some goodness to impart to it’s on salvation perhaps. I need clarification on this.
In Whidden’s writing I was really impressed with balanced view Ellen White had about the atonement of Christ, seeing Christ’s “high priestly” ministry as an immortalizing of “Calvary.” This is important for Adventist’s. We have a unique view of the atonement because of the sanctuary message that can be spread throughout the globe. People can be assured that Christ is still ministering and serving their needs through this ministry. I think that its something that needs to be proudly shared with the world. This extended and holistic view of the atonement is Adventism’s primary contribution to Christianity.
Romans 7 is vintage Paul at his best carefully describing the biblical perspective of the law. The law reveals what sin is to a person. Yet he doesn’t stop there. He goes on to explain that sin took advantage of this reality in the law, deceives humanity, and leads to death. This is a very important theological point. Is it the law that leads to death? No, sin that is revealed in the law deceives human beings. Thus the law is holy and perfect.
Comments on Sheldon Smith’s 7th reflection paper
I agree with that the agony described in Roman chapter 7 is not only for Paul but “all humans.” And they “confront at some point in time if not for a lifetime.” Because there is agony in chapter 7 we can have joy in chapter 8.
And I’m glad that you said “The Christian’s only claim to perfection is Christ’s work of righteousness in his or her behalf.” We pastors often forget this and try to put ourselves in the center of righteousness. But we have nothing for that.
Reflection Paper #7
Roman 7 the Apostle clearly stressed that while the law cannot save man from sin but the law is holy, just and good. Paul is in agony over the reality of humanity; sinful human nature is getting the best of man with all tendencies towards evil. But he is thankful for Jesus who saves him and enables him to serve the law of God. It interesting that Paul does not referred to the law as something that causing him death but it is sin that becomes clearer because of the law (v12 & 13). There are Christians who used this passage to nullify God’s law but the Apostle appealed to the law as spiritual.
Whidden’s in chapter 8 describe Ellen White’s understanding the Nature of Christ and Salvation. Its amazing how very early in the movement of the Seventh-day Adventist, Ellen White was sound on this complicated and debatable doctrine. She was able to hold on the reality of Christ as God during the time of Arianism who denied the Lordship of Jesus. It is important for Adventist to understand Ellen White understands on Christology doctrines. I think she is well balanced on this view, seeing the reality of Christ humanity that He had lived a human life and identified with our sorrow and struggles but He did not commit any sin.
I enjoyed reading the Biblical Research Institute article on the “DYNAMICS OF SALVATION” which revealed the broad view of Salvations. The effect of sin on man’s status in relationship with God, with people and with nature is so devastated but God took the initiatives and searched for man. But more than just a search, when He found him, He gave him what he doesn’t deserve. This is wonderful news and I believed everyone must bonder on the reality of sin and the marvelous grace of God. We all must have a willing heart to allow God to reign supreme in our lives for He had sought us and found us and abundantly He blesses us. The various dynamics of salvation in this article was a blessing for me.
Our class this week was enjoyable and eye opening on the reality of FREEDOM in all aspects of Salvation. We had discussed how God’s foreknowledge, God’s predestination, God’s calling and God’s justification of man reflected FREEDOM as they are presented in body languages. This is true of God and His grace, this is what salvation is all about. God’s grace upon man that free him from the bondage of sin and he is free indeed.
Reflection 8
This week I really enjoyed reading Whiddon’s chapter on justification by faith. It showed that Ellen White’s views were very balanced. I liked the section where he talked about the Christian experience being “a constant looking away from self and a continuous, conscious dependence on Christ’s acceptance and power. “ It makes it necessary for a continual experience with Christ throughout our lives. We never get good enough by being saved through Jesus to stand on our own. We can never trust partly to God and partly to ourselves. There is no room for legalism. But that does not throw out the need for the law or our obedience. It is both reassuring and a reminder that we cannot have the that saving trust in Christ without a daily abiding, trusting relationship with him.
I also appreciated the explanation of justification and the analysis of Romans 5:12-21. It helped me understand that section, which we read a few weeks ago. The things that helped me included his explanation of verse 13 about why Paul addressed the idea of sin between Adam and the law being given. If we all had a part of the sin of Adam, this argument would not be needed. But since we only received the sinful nature and experience of death reigning because of Adam it was important to show that sin did not come as a result of the law, otherwise the people between Adam and Moses would not have sinned and should not have died, but that sin is not because of the law, so they still actively sinned. All people have actively sinned and so each of us deserves death and each of us needs salvation. That salvation has been provided, but I like the sentence “Grace is not an enslaving power that enters into the world and makes all people subject to its power. This is rather a characteristic of sin and death.” God provides the opportunity for salvation for all, but he guards our freedom, while Satan and sin do not guard our freedom but take us captive.
I love Romans chapter 8. There are so many things that Paul touches on in this chapter that it is hard to pick out the best or even the biggest thing. I think the thing that struck me this time is that our relationship to God is one of obligation, and yet that obligation is the obligation of a child to a father because of all the father has done for the child. It is a beautiful picture of salvation and obedience.
REFLECTION PAPER # 8
All of this week’s material is about justification. In the class, we talked about the order of salvation especially the relationship between justification and sanctification. I personally enjoyed the discussion in the class because I could see the relationship more clearly.
The article by Rodriguez deals with justification and the cross and I think similar subject was dealt with several weeks ago so this theme was not quite new to me but still he underscored different points so I could enjoy them. I liked the phrase “the sin of Adam brought separation from God-spiritual – and physical death as the consequences of sin.” Because of sin, we must die physically and spiritually but Christ restored the both deaths on the cross. So the conclusion of this issued verse is that “in fact what Christ did was greater, larger in its context and power than what Adam did.” I totally agree with his conclusion.
Ellen White of course emphasized justification by faith but the thing that I could learn from her was the attitudes toward sin. When people hear of justification by faith they usually do not take sin seriously. But sin is still our main enemy. So we need balance. I think I thought like others that I didn’t take sin seriously when I talked about faith.
In Rome 8, I found the joy and happiness of whom have assurance of salvation. Verse 37 says, “but in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.” Even though we cannot get saved only with assurance I want to have that joy and assurance in Christ.
Mora and more I study about salvation and the order of salvation, I become more confused and have more questions than answers.
In class our unknown sins are justified until it is made known to us, but in the Old Testament we are responsible for all sins even for the unknown sins we committed. Were their belief wrong?
Angel Rodriguez emphasized that because of his (Adam)sin death took hold of every person both physically and spiritually.
Paul states that as a result of Adam's sin, all (all the people) are born spiritually dead.
But Ch8:10 "but if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness and if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you.
Even though we are doom to die and born into this earth spiritually dead, if we set our mind on Christ, let the Spirit control our mind, let it intercede, let it help in our weakness, the Christ's death on the cross becomes meaningful in our lives.
It can be meaningful because "Through Christ God provided enough grace to save the whole human race since the time of Adam to the end of mercy.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 08
THST 540 – 10/20/08
In chapter 9 of Whidden's book, we start to see the unveiling of a new and deeper discussion. As we approach the final chapters on perfection, we find here an introduction to justification. I agree with Whidden's conclusions, and I think they are a solid and extremely important base in order to understand perfection. The life and sacrifice of Christ is deprived of all value if we don't consider it to be the redemption factor of a human being. It sounds like a very obvious concept, but we neglect it by not accepting the practical meaning of it – our Justification. I was amazed to see how Whidden was able to capture so vividly ideas that are becoming forgotten. Being justified doesn't mean we can sin purposefully, it is not cheap grace. It just means we will be covered for when we do sin, which is bound to happen as we are sinful beings. We cannot loose our sinful nature, but we can live with the attitude that leads towards that goal, for Jesus justified us and granted us the possibility of having that exact attitude. We must strive to work on ourselves, so that we are always trying to be just a little bit better each day.
The BRI document by Blazen brings up a discussion on a challenging method: integration of all the doctrines. I agree with Blazen when he confirms that we need a larger framework that integrates all our doctrines, and more importantly, that seeks to correlate all of them. I believe such task would be successfully accomplished under the framework of the Redemption Plan.
In Romans 8, Paul writes some of the most reaffirming words of the entire Scripture. Its just comforting to read this chapter knowing what Paul went through. Romans 8, besides stating clear points about Jesus' nature and justification, he summarizes the amazing hope that the Redemption Plan brings us with Jesus' victory on the cross.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 8
THST 540 – 10/22/08
In chapter nine from Whidden book is presented the subject of justification by faith before 1888. The problem with justification by faith is the extremes which we take. We emphasize to much the justification by faith alone and we see salvation “in the sin” not “from the sin” or we emphasize too much justification by works and we become legalistic. Between faith and works there is a connection, both of them are coming together and they are never separated. We are not justified by any good works that we perform, but our faith in Jesus Christ will produce good works to the glory of God. We are saved only accepting merits of Christ life and death.
From Ángel Manuel Rodríguez article I understood that forgiveness for my past sins is possible because of the divine disgust toward sin which is revealed in the death of Jesus Christ and it is not only Jesus death involved in justification but also the obedience to Christ. The purpose of justification is to bring peace and harmony between repentant sinner and God.
In Romans chapter 8 verse 39 I found the most beautiful thought that nothing “ill be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” God has loved us even as He loved Christ for He loved us in Him. In chapter 8 I have found the most peaceful thought that God is for us, thought that fills my amazed and grateful heart more and more.
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
October 15, 2008
Kevin D. Paulson
Today’s discussion once again reviewed Romans 8:29-30, and the use of body language by the New Testament relative to salvation.
The “braking off “ and “grafting in” of Romans 22 was then addressed, and the relation of this metaphor to the “once saved, always saved” doctrine was noted.
Discussion focused briefly on I Thessalonians 5:23, and how our bodies and spirits are to be preserved blameless unto the coming of the Lord. Romans 6:19-22 was explored as evidence that yielding to righteousness brings freedom. Sanctification and its relation to yielding and liberty was also discussed, and how the holiness of the faithful is developed through choice.
Romans 3:23 was noted as the basis of the doctrine of justification, since the fact that “all have sinned” makes forgiveness necessary for all who have thus chosen.
The issue of perfection was then introduced, and how the connection between imputed and imparted righteousness affects one’s view of perfection and what it might mean. Comment was made, based on Ellen White’s clear statements, that the forgiving aspect of justification is intended for past sins only. Ellen White, in fact, is quite clear about this in the following statements:
“Christ bears the penalty for man’s past transgressions, and by imparting to man His righteousness, makes it possible for man to keep God’s holy law” (6BC 1092).
“Christ, coming to the earth as man, lived a holy life, and developed a perfect character. These He offers as a free gift to all who will receive them. His life stands for the life of men. Thus they have remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God” (DA 762).
“There is no way back to innocence and life except through repentance for having transgressed God’s law, and faith in the merits of the divine sacrifice, who has suffered for your transgressions of the past; and you are accepted in the Beloved on condition of obedience to the commandments of your Creator” (ST Dec. 15, 1887).
The question then arose whether sins of ignorance, which Ellen White clearly says must be handled by the heavenly Mediator (EW 254), are forgiven in advance. The fact is that Inspiration offers no evidence of sins of any kind forgiven in advance. While God knows the future, the free will of the human agent is fully preserved in the saving process, so that choices of any kind are not held to account until they are made.
One point of significant confusion in this discussion seemed to revolve around the distinction between sin and matters of lesser indulgence. Comment was offered about people eating eggs, etc, and whether they should consider themselves sinners when they do such things. The counsel of the Spirit of Prophecy is very clear about degrees in health reform and in many reforms, and makes it plain that not all indulgences to be shunned should be categorized as sinful. Of course, the believer who seeks to demonstrate the glory of God to its fullness in the final generation is not interested in “minimum requirement” salvation, but in bringing what Christ called “an hundredfold” to the glory of God.
The class closed with an excellent presentation by Kolia Afamasaga on the doctrine of “once saved, always saved.” This doctrine teaches, of course, that once a person is saved, he can never be lost, even if he curses Jesus and becomes an atheist. The false notion assumed by this doctrine is that if salvation can be lost through behavior, the result will be self-righteousness. Such a premise fails to consider that the Biblical remedy for self-righteousness is conversion, not salvation apart from obedience.
It was further pointed out that this doctrine misunderstands which Scripture teaches about predestination, and that Biblical examples of Christians falling away were ignored. Bible verses such as Eze. 18:24; 33:18; Heb. 6:4-6; and Rev. 3:11 offer the clearest Biblical evidence that it is possible to lose one’s salvation.
The “umbrella” theory of justification was also discussed, and how it lacks Biblical support.
In conclusion, Kolia’s presentation demonstrated that the “once saved, always saved” doctrine is false, without support in the Word of God.
Gerard Vertilus
10/22/08
Reflection on salvation
Last week discussion was focus on justification, freedom, imputed and imparted righteousness, sanctification, glorification, yielding to Christ and fruit. Our main text was roman 3:22; it talks about righteousness of God through faith in Christ Jesus. The teaching of this passage is the good news that Jesus died for our sin and was raised so that through his death we can have newness of life. His resurrection has set us free from sin. The world is no longer under the guilt of sin, no one has to still stay under the dominion of slavery, because Christ give the world and option either to choose to reject sin and walk with Christ or still continue to live in sin. No one can serve two master at the same time, as the bible declare, either you stick to one or embrace the other. As we know that the wages of sin is death, by choosing Christ we choose to have eternal life. Ellen White stated that when Christ was on earth he did not use his divine nature for his entire ministry on earth: he rather used most of the time his human nature so that we can copy from him. So that we may not have any excuses, he was tempted in many things just like us. He knows what it means to be tempted; he overcomes temptation not by his own power but by God’s power through the Holy Spirit. Paul goes further in roman to say that we must not living according to the flesh but by the power of the Holy Spirit, for the flesh cannot please God. Not only God set us free from sin, He also give us the Spirit so that we can stay in connection with Him, the Spirit testifies of Him with our spirit that we are children of God. The Spirit gives us hope, and the main purpose of this hope is to give us understanding of salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. This is our only way of salvation.
Vertilus Gerard
Comment on Laurentiou Roman, I agree with Laurentiu on his reflection, he mentioned that salvation is receiveing by faith through obedient. He also say that by reading chapter 8 of roman when Paul said that the love of God through Christ, which provide salvation and reconcile us with the Father and give us peace.
the only thing I will sugest him to think again is that "salvation in the sin not from the sin" that need to explain clearer.
Reflection Paper#8 (Week Ending October 18, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
Paul in Romans 8 speaks about the all-inclusive ministration of the Holy Spirit. His writing removes all barriers that carnal thinking individuals and “law abiders” would want to set up. He climaxes the chapter with a classical comforting scripture on the fact that “nothing can separate us from the love of Jesus.”
Regarding Justification by faith before 1888, I like the stand Ellen White took against the Calvinistic belief of “once saved always saved” since it gives the impression that the believer no longer has a need for Christ’s working in his or her life. She backs this up by stating that faith will never save unless it is justified by works, which means to me as we have been discussing in class since the semester that salvation is not static but on the contrary, is very dynamic. I also like the statement she made in 1870 where she stated that, “the "merits" of Christ make the "efforts" of believers "to keep His law" acceptable to God.” It just goes to show that even our best efforts in being perfect without Christ’s righteousness is unacceptable to God.
From the BRI, Rodriguez in my opinion did a great exegetical work of Romans 5:12-21 where he addresses the issues regarding justification on the cross. I particularly liked the way he utilized the Greek language in clarifying the ongoing issues regarding whether or not all humanity sinned in Adam. I think for the most part, the article makes a great reading particularly to the theologically inquisitive mind.
Reflection #8
"And so he condemned sin in in sinful man" This is important to understand for it mirrors John 3:17 "for God did not send his sone into the world to condemn the world, but to save it through him." God did for us what the original sacrifice could not do. That is so powerful. If there was not any other reason to follow Christ (which there is) that would be sufficient in my opinion. Following the one that died for me, seems like a pretty good idea!
As a hospital Chaplain I have used Romans 8:18 many times when dealing with those that search for a light at the end of the tunnel. (I'm not making a reference to near death hospital experiences) One of the questions that all mankind will ask or has already asked is why there is suffering. Even though the answer is simply because there is SIN in the world, people aren't really comforted by that, for they clearly know it already. What people need is to find comfort in what they are experiencing. Romans 8:18 gives this comfort. Paul has experienced so much suffering and pain, and yet he states emphatically that that same suffering can't compare to the grace that will be revealed in us. Then move down to verse 26 which not only gives us comfort, but we find that we are not alone in our struggle but the spirit helps us in our weakness. TO know that we are not alone is what we all need! If you think you have everything under control, try being admitted into the hospital for a couple weeks. Sometimes that is what it takes for some to be humbled and reach out for someone to help in their undeniable weakness and true loneliness. To be that humble and genuine is a place we need to be, for that is where we understand the power and importance of a Savior. Romans 8:38 sums it all up. Nothing can separate us from the love of God. Amen, Praise God.
Romel Charles
Wednesday, October 8, 2008
Reflection # 6
The class discussion this week was centered on the idea of “sanctuary” and how it is intertwined within the context of body theology. We looked at some different sanctuaries that are illumined in scripture and how there is a heavenly and earthy antitype and type to each of them. Looking at Romans 6, Paul talks about the fact that we should not let sin reign in our mortal bodies so that we obey its evil desires as well as to not offer any part of ourselves to sin as an instrument of wickedness. I believe that this is very important because Paul realizes the battle that is being fought over this sanctuary, in the frame of our bodies. Sin cannot have dominion over our sanctuaries unless we give it dominion.
The article “The Dynamics of Salvation” it goes into the rudimentary elements of salvation such as Humanity's Desperate Need, The Divine Initiative, The Human Response to Grace, The New Status in Christ, The New Life in Christ, and The Consummation. In Whidden’s book, Ellen White on Salvation, Sin was defined “as both acts of transgressing God’s will and a condition of depravity that involves inherited sinful “propensities,” “inclinations,” “tendencies,” and a “bent” to sin.” The Calvinistic logic says that, “Sinners are so deranged and depraved by sin that they cannot even respond to God’s redemptive initiative.” Calvin’s logic although logical seemed contrary to the Bible because in Romans 6 Paul makes the argument that “we should not let sin reign in our mortal bodies so that we obey its evil desires” wile Calvin says that, “we cannot even respond to God’s redemptive initiative.” If this were the case then why would Paul even tell the Romans to try if it made no sense. We need to understand that the sanctuary as a whole, including the body is under attack and we need to continue to do our part in the battle the best way we can.
Romel Charles
Reflection # 7
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
In Edward Heppenstall’s article “How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible?” he makes a powerful statement saying, “God's method of salvation is not eradication of a sinful nature, but the counteraction of divine power through the Holy Spirit. Only by the continual counteracting presence of the Holy Spirit is it possible to be victorious over sin and the sinful nature within us.” It is from this one statement that we can see the connection with Romans 7:18-20, when the battle within our sanctuary (Body Theology) is made evident. “For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not. For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise. But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.” Although it may seem that the battle may be over because even Paul struggled and he was a great man then how can we be any better? But the truth of the matter is that there is a hopeful expectation that is waiting for us to grasp. It is not through our own struggle or efforts is there victory but it is through Jesus Christ. This is made evident in verses 24 and 25 “Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” It is only through Jesus and the power through the Holy Spirit that any victory be one. Chapter 7 of “Ellen White on Salvation” Whidden goes over atonement and it is tied in to this theme of perfection because it connects the understanding of Christ’s work in the Most Holy Place interceding on our behalf to have the power to make it through the trials and battles that are occurring in our bodies.
Reflections paper: Week Eight
Comments on the article “Justification and the Cross” by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez
I thought this was a good exegetical study of Rom 5: 12-21. The main point was to argue that when Adam sinned, we did not sin with him, even though we are said to have been in him, being the father of mankind, but inherited the results of that sin, a weakened nature and death. And it was also through the righteousness of one man, Jesus Christ that we all receive the gift of justification, grace through faith, leading to salvation. Another point was made for those who teach that we sinned with Adam in the beginning, which would mean that we are also responsible for our salvation, since the bible teaches that we died in with Him in death for our sins. That would challenge the sole salvific work of Christ. Christ saved us in the same way that Adam sold us into sin, meaning that we are beneficiaries to what they did, and not participant in their actions. It is by grace, through faith, that we are saved.
The reading in Whidden’s book was a little confusing to me. I could not really understand his view on Ellen White’s position on the 1888 issue, involving Jones and Waggoner. He talked about times when she supported Jones and Waggoner’s method but also alludes to some wrong in that message. I’m yet to understand where he is coming from and what the issues are.
Our always enlightening class discussion this time was on Justification. We discussed the fact that Justification is not once and for all and that one cannot be cut off. It is necessary because all have sinned and are in need of redemption. We saw that we can never really understand Justification or appreciate it in its fullness if we don’t understand the sin problem. Our sin has separated us from God and we cannot be saved in it. God devised a way and that was through Christ. So He imputed Justification is when God declared us righteous through Christ and imparted Justification/righteousness is the process of sanctification. I’m always thankful for our class discussions and appreciate studying the bigger model of Salvation.
Ref # 8
Romans 8
In regard to what we have been tackling in class, [foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, sanctification and glorification] Paul in Romans 8, sums up the topic by posing a question, “what, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?” These questions make broadens our view of salvation far beyond what we think. It is not about not doing anything or salvation is obvious, but that as we journey through the difficult times we should remember that God has done it and our part is to be steadfast. We are not only destined for good, but strengthened in times of uncertainties.
Paul describe the scenario by illustrating what might makes us separate from God – neither life or death, nor demons or angels nor present or future will displace us from the love of eternal God. The fact that we have been assured of the eternal life gives us the assurance that no matter what we encounter on our journey of Christianity, we are grounded in a safe basement – Jesus our savior.
When Paul assures his readers those who have been foreknow ledged, predestined, called, justified, sanctified, and glorified, about the plan of God, he was strengthening them of the uncertainties that were to meet them in the present and the future. As I was going forth and back in this chapter I discovered one vital aspect about salvation, God is in the business of making sure that we are saved, by fully providing us the necessary tool – Jesus.
Ref # 8
Romans 8
In regard to what we have been tackling in class, [foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, sanctification and glorification] Paul in Romans 8, sums up the topic by posing a question, “what, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?” These questions make broadens our view of salvation far beyond what we think. It is not about not doing anything or salvation is obvious, but that as we journey through the difficult times we should remember that God has done it and our part is to be steadfast. We are not only destined for good, but strengthened in times of uncertainties.
Paul describe the scenario by illustrating what might makes us separate from God – neither life or death, nor demons or angels nor present or future will displace us from the love of eternal God. The fact that we have been assured of the eternal life gives us the assurance that no matter what we encounter on our journey of Christianity, we are grounded in a safe basement – Jesus our savior.
When Paul assures his readers those who have been foreknow ledged, predestined, called, justified, sanctified, and glorified, about the plan of God, he was strengthening them of the uncertainties that were to meet them in the present and the future. As I was going forth and back in this chapter I discovered one vital aspect about salvation, God is in the business of making sure that we are saved, by fully providing us the necessary tool – Jesus.
Reflection Paper #8
The Apostle Paul in Roman 8 uses body language to bring the good news of freedom from standing condemned before God. It is all because of what Jesus did, and those who are in Christ, decides “not to walking in the flesh,” but in the “Spirit.” The Apostle made the distinction between those who claimed to be saved and live according to God’s will and those who also claimed to be saved but living own lifestyle. One of the interesting portions of this chapter is the Apostle’s inclusion of the entire creation to the fate of sin and the eagerness of what is to come. This showed the seriousness of sin, not only it affected human but the entire creation as well. However, God predestined us through His grace to be saved; and as we battle with our human nature and tendencies to evil; we are reminded in the closing part of the chapter, there is nothing that can “separated us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Though we fall short of His standards but Christ righteousness enabled us to be called His sons and daughters.
Whidden in chapter 9 highlighted Ellen White’s position on Justification by faith before 1888 saga. I find this very interesting and it’s a true confirmation of her called as the Lord’s messenger. Taking that position during the time of Wesley’s emphasis on perfection and Galvin’s teaching on Eternity assurance showed that God gave her the message that rooted in Scripture. Ellen White’s view on justification is balanced, while human relied on the merit of Christ for salvation but there is also a response of love by living in the life of the “spirit” as highlighted by the Apostle Paul. Our being justified by faith does not excuse sin but Christ righteousness enables us to live according to His will.
BRI article “How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or Is Christian Perfection Possible?” by Edward Heppenstall on perfection is rightly claimed that there is no human perfection because of our sinful nature. It is only Jesus’ perfect righteousness is our only possibility to live like Christ. Many people who tried to live life without sin and claimed to be perfect. But Isaiah clearly stated that our “righteousness” our very best is like “filthy rags” [Is 64: 6]. This perfect righteousness of Christ can be ours in our accepting of His sacrifice for our sins. And when we live in Christ, His spirit enables us to do His will in our lives.
All these readings ties in together with our Class discussion this week where the focus was on the issue of perfection and was connected to Ellen White’s comments on imputed righteousness. The readings of Whidden’s book and Heppenstall’s article answered the question and are inline with the class discussion as we continue to see different aspects of salvation and determine a bigger model for salvation.
Reflection 8
10/22/08
In class we have been working with the (F, P, C, J, G) model of Salvation as found in our reading assignment this week, Romans 8. For weeks we have been laboring to discover a more holistic perspective on salvation, a perspective that is big enough (as Doc loves to say) that can contain all that God has revealed to us. In class today I asked about where the Adventist doctrine of the sanctuary fits into this model? It just seemed a natural question since in one since we as Adventists believe that Christ’s atonement was achieved on the across while at the same time believing that his atoning ministry continues in the Heavenly Sanctuary as seen in the sanctuary services (daily and day-of atonement ministry). Yet (as I’m sure some of you have already discovered), the answer is embedded in just a few verses below our focus in Rom 8:34. Paul indicates that no one can condemn those who have been chosen by God (by this he means those who have taken advantage of the foreknowledge and predestination of God) because Christ is interceding on their behalf before the Father. This is clear sanctuary language illustrated by Paul. The knowledge that Jesus Christ is interceding on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary with his blood gives the believer a deep re-assurance of their salvation because it even further demonstrates Christ’s love. This goes along with our understanding of the sanctuary which if understood correctly is defiantly about assurance (although not entirely). Just thought I’d share this insight, it came while reading the assignments.
Reflection Paper #8
When I started off my week with reading Romans 8, I was delighted. I was very familiar with the chapter and its contents as it relates to the various components of salvation. The discussions in class helped a great deal. Last week we expanded our model of salvation and explored what it really means to have faith. As a result, we concluded that faith is dead if there are no fruits of faith found in the prophesying individual.
Secondly, I enjoyed reading Rodriguez’s article. His article was very informative, and the analysis was very detailed and complete. However, I started to wonder why many have accepted that sin entered the world through Adam and not Lucifer. Once Satan misused his freedom, sin entering this world was inevitable. Next, I was unable to distinguish between “all sinned when Adam sinned” and “Adam’s sin imputed to us.” Both phrases have the same outcome; therefore, I’m not sure why there is so much attention paid to the phrases described above. In addition, I asked myself why Eve doesn’t get as much blame for the fall of man compared to Adam. Eve was the first to take the fruit, and she gave the fruit to her husband, but Adam is the one recorded in History as cause of man’s fall.
Finally, Whidden’s discussion on assurance continues to affect us today. I share his concerns for those and agree with him when he discusses the harm in saying “I am saved.” As we grow in grace (daily) God will reveal how sinful we really are. As a result, we’ll have a greater need and desire to repent.
Romel Charles
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
Reflection #8
In chapter eight of “Ellen White on Salvation” Whidden dives into the topic of “The Nature of Christ and Salvation” and he quotes one of the wisest statements that can be made about the nature of Jesus. It says, “Man cannot define this wonderful mystery - the blending of the two natures... It can never be explained.” Personally I believe that one of the signs of a wise minister is to say that “I do not know” when they don’t fully understand a topic and this is what Mrs. White said it the above quote. No matter how much we argue concerning the nature of Christ there will always be opposition because we are finite beings and cannot fully comprehend the things of God. We just have to accept that from what we comprehend Jesus was fully human and fully divine. When we look at Romans 8 the same principle is found in verses 7-8. “For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, indeed it cannot; 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.” When we argue about the things of God it becomes apparent that we are only doing it because we are trying to get our opinions across and what it is that we understand about the Word of God. It is a problem when it becomes about “I” and not about God because those who are of the flesh cannot please God. We need to hold fast to the fact that, “If God be for us, who can be against us?” if Jesus came and died for my sins then I am very grateful for the substitution.
Response 9
There were many good points in the BRI document about God’s justification and his judgment. The overall point was that the two ideas are two parts of a whole. They do not stand in opposition to each other, but work as a unit. I think the author said it well when he said “Justification by faith helps to guard the judgment from the false ideas that human beings never will be able to stand in God's judgment or that standing there self-goodness will place God's righteousness under obligation. In other words, justification contradicts the concept that humans cannot make it in the judgment or that they make it by themselves. On the other hand, judgment according to works guards the doctrine of the justification of the ungodly from meaning the justification of ungodliness. If there is a judgment according to works, then justification must mean that the lives of the justified are claimed by Christ and that they are called to live for Him who died for them (2 Cor. 5:14, 15).” This was very helpful to me to see how why to two must work together. We cannot have one without the other.
Romans chapter 9 was interesting. We have discussed this chapter in class that though it seems to say that God predestined Esau to be hated, that truly God predestined that he would work with everyone to make them into the children of God, but that he foresaw that some would not choose to accept his work for them. This is still a challenging chapter though and I plan to spend more time studying it in the future.
The chapter in Whiddon’s book was an interesting history of the things that affected Ellen White in the time of the 1888 General Conference, but I look forward to next week’s reading about what her actual theological view of salvation was as a result of the pressures we talked about in this chapter.
Comment on Kolia Afamasaga’s 8th paper
I enjoyed how you described the class discussion and the reading assignment. First, like you said, “The Apostle Paul in Roman 8 uses body language to bring the good news of freedom from standing condemned before God” I was quite surprised from the relation between body language and freedom. And another good point from your paper is that “God gave her(Ellen White) the message that rooted in Scripture. That’s is very true. Without her writing we couldn’t find such beautiful messages from the Bible.
REFLECTION PAPER # 9
This week’s reading material and class discussion wholly focus on justification by faith. Even though it sounds simple and easy to understand that we get saved only by faith, it is not easy to grasp the real meaning in our real lives. That’s why so many people have been debating on this subject so far.
First, the long article, Justification by Faith and Judgment According to Works written by Ivan T. Blazen, concludes with justification by faith. But as we can see that the author spend that much space to prove that there in only one way for us to get redeemed. And he integrates all the factors related to salvation saying, “the cross is the means by which justification is effected; faith is the means by which justification is accepted; and good works are the means by which justification is manifested.” So there is none we can do for our salvation. We have to understand that the only thing that we should do is to obey His voice. “The more deeply one understands the riches of Christ's grace, the more He hears Christ's call to obedience.”
Romans ch 10 is speaking about salvation through faith. This chapter is on the same page of the article. Paul insists that “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. (Rome 10:3)” If we really understand what righteousness by faith is then we will find no righteousness in ourselves.
Lastly, I want to talk about Ellen White and her thought on this subject. I haven’t been quite aware of 1888. I just knew that there was a meeting in Minneapolis that time. But reading the book, I became to know what was the problem. But luckily, Ellen White wasn’t shaky and kept on insisting what she believed. “Whether justification or sanctification was getting the accent or emphasis in her ministry, Ellen White always sought balance in her presentations. (p.86)” Because of her, we can have this truth.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 09
THST 540 – 10/26/08
Chapter 10 of Whidden's book is more of an introduction to the next chapter. This chapter presents a historic overview of the period of 1888 – 1902, as well as a brief analysis of the several perfectionist movements that emerged at that time. I agree with the author when he says that Ellen White always sought balance in her presentations – it is probably what I admire the most about her. EGW was always able to hold the truth as revealed by God, without falling into any of the extremes that seem to permeate our society. In a period of so many fanatic deviations from the Bible, it is impressive to see the clarity that resulted from EGW's relationship with God.
On the article about Justification and Assurance, it was interesting to read such a Christological approach to the subject. Even though it tends to be an underlying matter, its not always pointed out that way. I also found the study between Paul and Abraham to be fascinating how it emerged from both a deeper comprehension of justification by faith, as well as its personal application. The discussion of this theme as a result of a life centered in Jesus, gives it a fresher understanding as well as a more solid base for the later understanding of sanctification and perfection.
Romans chapter 9 is a declaration of the almighty power of God. Paul emphasizes God's sovereignty over His creation, and over all of us. It is also a warning in my perspective, a calling for us not to fall in the same mistakes that others fell into in the past. It is not our ancestry or any other distinctive quality that saves us, but the invitation of God, as well as our choice to accept that invitation. Paul invites us to a deep reflection regarding the responsibility of our choice to accept the promises that others rejected.
Reflections paper: Week Nine
Doctrine of Salvation:
Comments on the article “Justification by Faith and Judgment According to Works
Ivan T. Blazen
This article presented a clear view of how Justification by Faith relates to Judgment. Many have misunderstood these two issues to be contradictory and attempted to separate them failing to realize that they compliment each other. I think failure to understand the role of Christ in each of them leads to the misunderstanding and the article showed how Christ is involved in both works. We are justified by faith in the merits of Christ not of our own but once we have accepted the righteousness of Christ, we can do nothing else but obey his word and allow him to work through us and failure to have him as part of our lives and continued sin brings Judgment. God is faithful to His promise to us as our Savior but His faithfulness will not excuse the continuance of human sin. Sin has to be and will be dealt with. These pillars are integral to each other and must be accepted and integrated. God’s work is that of saving man and eradicating sin from their lives.
Chapter 11 of “Ellen White on Salvation” discussed the issue of Justification by Faith as it related to her life in 1888 and after. The question was on how Justification by faith related to the law of God. Her ministry emphasized the merits of Jesus for everyone’s salvation, not the keeping of the law, without destroying the importance of the law. “The major theme of her ministry was a message to the church that believers were to quit trying to merit salvation by good works and obedience to the law and accept the wonderful forgiveness of Jesus that ‘is make manifest to all the commandments of God’” Her support for Jones and Waggoner was not in everything they taught by in the message of righteousness by faith, which was where she stood for before 1888 and continued to do so after that, with more zeal and emphasis on the merits of Christ for salvation and not legalism.
In our class discussion we revisited the issue of predestination and Dr Hanna presented it by employing different chart of the relationship between foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification and glorification, portraying how FAITH which works by LOVE waits in HOPE for the salvation of the Lord connect all these elements in the process of salvation. He emphasized the point that Christ was predestined to be the Lamb of God, for the salvation of the world.
Reflection Paper #9
Reading Whidden’s account of the ministry after Minneapolis reminded me of many discussions that take place during our church board meetings. We get distracted and divide ourselves because of minor points which divert our attention from dealing with the major and relevant issues affecting our members today. In White’s time it was the issue of one of the 10 horns of the fourth beast of Daniel 7. Today we argue over the interpretation of “modesty” and “worship.” Next, I was intrigued by White’s opinion of the “Holy Ghost” movement. I’ve often wondered about this movement and its roots. I really appreciate the standards White outlined for us in order to properly evaluate holiness and perfection in ones life.
In Romans 9, Paul touches on a subject that is important to many of us who have friends and family members who do not profess to be Adventists, but are good people. I often ask myself what will happen to these individuals, and this chapter guides me in my endeavor to understand. Paul makes it clear in Romans 9:32 that following the law is not good enough. Our faith is the element that makes the difference. In addition, this chapter is further evidence that many non-Adventists will be saved and many “law” abiding Adventists will be lost.
Finally, Blazen’s article was informative. In addition, his ideas were in harmony with the discussions we’ve had in class, in particular, the discussion we had on the notion that once saved always saved. Furthermore, Blazen places those who profess to know Jesus Christ in a different category as it relates to the standard used in judgment which is a point that is not emphasized often when discussing salvation and judgment. I appreciated that Blazen focused on Christ’s role as our Savior and Lord, because each has a distinctive meaning.
Reflection Paper#9 (Week Ending October 25, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
What I learnt from chapter 10 of Whidden’s book is that E.G. White sought to give a balanced view on the “Holiness of the Flesh” doctrine that was being purported by some of her fellow Adventists. She maintained that we “cannot have perfection of the flesh but Christian perfection of the soul.”
In Romans Chapter 9, the theme of righteousness and faith can be seen throughout the chapter. As I reflected on the chapter, I learnt that just like the Jews, as Christians we can be doing all things that are right but yet the spirit of the law is lacking and that which we do is out of selfish motives. It therefore puts me on my guard in understanding and asking myself the question why do I do what I do.
The article on BRI regarding justification by faith and judgment according to works was a very interesting one. It emphasized that both are related to each other and throughout salvation history, there has always been an ongoing relation. I like the part in the article where the author articulated that, “Justification by faith helps to guard the judgment from the false ideas that human beings never will be able to stand in God's judgment.” All in all, I think the document was well put together and I would recommend it to anyone who needs clarification on Justification by faith and its relation to the judgment.
Reflection Paper #9
The Apostle Paul in Romans 9 discussed God’s election of those He wills. Although this chapter looks as if it supported the idea of deterministic predestination but the Apostle is showing God’s mercy. For the Jews the covenants, the law and promises were given but their hearts were hardened. They did not heed the word of God but neglected with a notion of being Abraham’s seed. They pursue righteousness not by faith in God but by works of the law. The Apostle however, pointed out that, the real children of God are those who are not in the flesh but of the spirit. It is interesting that God’s mercy will everyone to be saved, as Paul said; “God endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.” [v22]. God work hard to get those who will not be saved to be saved but they rejected on the basis of salvation can be achieved by human efforts instead of having faith in Jesus Christ.
Whidden’s 10th chapter explained Ellen White’s support of the 1888 Minneapolis proclaiming of Justification by faith. This is of great significant because there were many other extremist with extreme doctrinal in which Ellen White corrected but was balanced in her concept of Perfection not on human nature but on the soul “through the sacrifice made in our behalf, sins may be perfectly forgiven.” Ellen White condemned the “Holy Flesh” doctrine by referring to concept of perfection through Christ cleansing blood that frees the “conscience from condemnation.” Jesus also speaks of perfection in human characters when He said: “Therefore, you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” [Matthew 5: 48]. Of course, Jesus spokes of human character but not the human nature, Ellen White said, we will have that fallen nature until Christ comes back.
BRI article by George W Reid called “WHY DID JESUS DIED? HOW GOD SAVES US” shed light on Jesus’ sacrifice for the ransom of many. Reid emphasized the idea of “pagan god appeasement” to deal with belittling Jesus death to God’s love for sinners and neglect God’s justice against sin. This is so true, for many people often see Jesus’ sacrifice as God’s love however, there is more than that, it’s a revelation of how serious sin is in the heart of God. It was never to appease God the Father but it was to show God is merciful and also justice. People need to realize the totality of Jesus’ death, so that we can receive God’s grace by faith and obedience to His divine will. So we can be conscious of the seriousness in the sight of God. He loves and at the same time a holy God who cannot tolerate sin, He loves sinners but hate sins.
Our last class discussion was eye opening with book of Acts mentioning the idea of “predestination” as determining of time and place on God’s behalf to make Himself available for His children to seek Him and able to find because of the coming judgment. So this idea surely revealed the authentic meaning of predestination as a blessing for all humans. Another eye opening concept was the FAITH, LOVE and HOPE in the part of God that enables us to have faith because of God’s faithfulness and to love because God is love. This model of seeing salvation in a morewider spectrum is excellent; and I’m looking forward to some more expansions of this model that explains SALVATION in a better way that the narrow views of many theologians and believers.
Reflection 9
Are we saved by faith alone? This has been the question and debate among many for as long we know it. Paul some what eludes to this in Romans 9 when he states that "for it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." these are two key components that work together. You cannot confess if you don't believe in your heart, and if you believe in your heart you will be led to confess this truth. Faith and works, heart and mouth. Hanna speaks of Christ using "body language in His relation to us" This is only but upheld in Romans 9.
In Chapter 10 of Whidden, Ellen proclaims justification by faith and a balance in her teachings. She teaches that we are made perfect in Christs perfect forgiveness. Our nature isn't made perfect, but we are perfectly cleansed or covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. The bible and EGW speak of the perfection of character not the nature of humanity. Christ has given us the tools to come to Him for this perfection. Hope, Love, and Faith. THese three things enable us to find Gods perfection for our character.
Chapter 9 of Romans
Amazing facts, true facts, biblically supported – Paul makes the case straight to all who think they own God as theirs, he says, “Christ, who is God for over all.” This chapter elaborates the freedom of God in its broad sense and leaves no questions unanswered concerning the sovereignty of God. I came up with the following in this chapter:
1. Children of God are Children of Promise – vs. 8,9
2. God has a mission and purpose for us even before we are born purposely for the glory of His kingdom – vs. 10-12
3. Finite being have no authority or say concerning Finite issues – vs. 19-21
4. God is interested to all humanity regardless of whether they want Him or not, whether Jews or Gentiles – vs. 22-29
5. Lastly, salvation is based on faith [what has been done to us, shall enable us to do what God wants us to do.] – vs. 30-33
Critical study of this chapter shall enable a Christian to value his life and surrender it fully to God – He is Sovereign.
Romel Charles
Reflection #9
October 29, 2008
When reading Romans nine it seemed that the flow was broken up from chapter eight until I got to verses 14, 15 “which says, What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."”
At first this was problematic for me because it seemed that the confusion of Romans 8:28-30 had permeated back into chapter nine with God having a specific group of people that He wanted make it to heaven kind of like the misunderstanding of the 144,000. But, it wasn’t until Romans 9:30-32 that the mystery begin to unveil itself. “What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works.” Is it that God predestined a specific set of people to be saved? Some say yes and others say no but the truth be told is that God called those who have faith in Him to be saved. It is illusion in the above verse where although the Gentiles were not looking for righteousness but they obtained it by faith while on the other hand those who were chasing after it did not get it. Whidden brings this to light when he looks at Ellen Whites understanding of salvation in chapter nine. She says, the “Christian experience has to do with a constant looking away from self and a continuous, conscious dependance on Christ’s acceptance and power.” Such dependance was not based on feelings but on “what they know about themselves and about Christ.” It seems that the Gentiles although they were on the outside understood this concept better that the Jews who had the Messiah and casted Im away.
10/29/08
Reflection 9
In class today we discussed how the gospel relates to the conversation we’ve been having about the process of salvation as recorded in Rom 8. I thought that Doc did good job on showing us the connection between the gospel and the entire process. Again, Dr. Hanna proved to be holistic in his approach. But the reason that this perspective has to be holistic is in part because of what Paul says in our Rom 9 reading. Throughout the reading Paul stresses that there are people that are in Israel that are not apart of Israel and people outside of Israel that are apart of Israel. This really couldn’t be so unless God knew from beforehand through the promise of the gospel that this would be possible. The other thing that got me in class however was the discussion on the objective or subjective atonement of Christ. Doc said essentially that while it’s important to understand the objective atonement of Christ meaning what Christ has done for us we also need to understand what Christ is doing through us, subjective. I suppose I had never really thought about this before. In other words, Christ is a substitution for us and is also the one who influences us.
I enjoyed learning more about the topic of Biblical perfection. I know that this is a controversial subject and have met many people who had passionate feelings about the subject, even to the point of being argumentative when the discussion occurs. The strain seems to lie in the understanding of the sinful nature and I like how the BRI document explained it: "God's method of salvation is not eradication of a sinful nature, but the counteraction of divine power through the Holy Spirit."
The key component there is the distinction between the sinful nature and sin itself. Victorious living dependent on Christ can be a deceptive milestone towards a distorted view of perfection. If someone, for instance, overcomes a powerful addiction which they've been enslaved to for years, they feel a sense of triumph and victory. This continued success against temptation and "sin" could lead to a "pride of life" that resents others who have not achieved similar successes. And a cycle begins and perpetuates, as is mentioned in the final paragraph.
Whidden emphasizes the qualifications regarding the statements of perfection in Ellen White's writings. IT is significant to note that she mentions Matthew 5:48 many times and underscores it as the success of salvation. The qualifications that Whidden identifies assure me of the experience that I've been having. The road to calvary is a "consciously receding horizon". This has been my concept of Christian Maturity. The closer I get to Christ, the more worthy He is and the more unworthy I am.
I've heard many of the "perfectionist" claim this status as a mode of walking with the LORD, and I affirm the posit that "no one is to claim perfection". What a paradox!? And only faith and grace can manage to comprehend this mystery. I pray for God's leading as we face the end times and this debate heightens within our movement.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 9
THST 540 – 10/30/08
In Whidden chapter about justification, Ellen White considers justification synonymous with pardon, and justification it fallows after repentance and faith. But she is also supporting the idea that faith and works comes together. You can not have faith in Jesus but your works are contrary to your faith or the works are missing. The forgiveness of the sins are possible because of Jesus death, death which shows His hates toward the sins. She is mentioning also the idea that once you have received the forgiveness of the sins, the justification doesn’t mean that you are saved forever.
In Romans 9 it dealing with the problem of the rejection of the Jews and the calling of the Gentiles and whatever God does, it is just. The rejection of the Jews did not break God's promise to the patriarchs. The Gentiles receive justification because they believed in Christ Jesus which died on the cross not because they accepted Jewish rituals. In fact this was the problem the nation of Israel sought after the kingdom of God by works. Of course faith without works is not possible, but we can not go to extremes. Both of them are interdependent.
In Ivan Blazen article Justification by Faith and Judgment According to Works he is saying that salvation and assurance doesn’t come by human faith and works but by the works of Jesus Christ which are sufficient. He is saying that “The cross is the means by which justification is effected; faith is the means by which justification is accepted; and good works are the means by which justification is manifested.” The works of justification is a witness for our justification and our strong faith in Jesus Christ, but if they are missing it means that something is broken in our relationship with Jesus.
Sometimes we tend to be confused as to why we continue in sin yet a ransom price was paid for us to be saved. I agree with Reid that the huge price was paid so we may claim to be citizen of heaven. Since we were totally lost, Christ was present to reconcile us back to the father. We have every opportunity to Claim the prize that was paid dearly. Actually it is God who initiated the rescue plan and we have acknowledged that sacred plan. His love to us abounded such our eternal gift was made sure. In Christ our sin was judged and condemned. And therefore we have no excuse to remain in sin
According to Whidden II the nature of Christ and salvation is inseparable, his views is supported by Ellen White who says that they are closely bounded. But still his nature and divinity remains a mystery to date. She recognized Christ’s full deity and affirmed his clear presence in the divinity which was against many of her times. I like the way she emphasized the blending union of his humanity and divinity. Therefore, salvation will not be easy had not this happened. Christ set a classic example that although we were born sinners still we have a clear way to salvation if we accept Him fully. So any misunderstanding simply comes because we have accepted to be led by the devil and the devil wants to recruit us and makes salvation hard to achieve.
Chapter 7 of Romans remains controversial to date also because it as if Paul is connecting sin and the law yet during his times it hard to keep the law to avoid sin. But he defends himself against the charge of identifying the law with sin. Sin does not exist in law but in human beings, whose sinful inclinations are not overcome by the proclamation of law.
The original sin has caused a lot of concern and many are in dilemma as to which is the way forward. Many are yet in darkness over this subject. But Gerhard has done a good job of putting the record straight. He traces the origin of Sin and provides biblical evidence as well as historical facts to prove his case.
Still we are in dilemma on what to do with sin, and then shall we be justified by faith alone because Christ died for us? Whidden explains that according Ellen White faith and works are inseparable and that is why she wrote “ Faith will never save you unless it is justified by work”. Faith must be sustained by work and Christ’s merit s makes our obedience acceptable. And God is willing to pardon a willing sinner who has accepted that Christ died for us all and we must acknowledge our weakness to what we are supposed to do.
And in Romans 8 Paul points his addressees to the correct way. Through the redemptive work of Christ, Christians have been liberated from the terrible forces of sin and death. Holiness was impossible so long as the flesh (or our "old self"), that is, self-interested hostility toward God frustrated the divine objectives expressed in the law. What is worse, sin used the law to break forth into all manner of lawlessness. Christian life is therefore the experience of a constant challenge to put to death the evil deeds of the body through life of the spirit. God's redemptive action on behalf of the believers has been in process before the beginning of the world.
Reflection # 6
The Atonement, was it simply an act in history by Jesus, or are there aspects of it that are continuous still today? The chapter from Whidden’s book dealt specifically with this topic. I appreciated how he summarized various views that were prevalent in Mrs. White’s time. He spoke of the: moral influence theory, the satisfaction theory, and the penal-substitution theory. Whidden brought out how the last theory was dominant in Mrs. White’s thoughts. I appreciated how he said that “It is almost as if she went on a shopping trip at the doctrinal supermarket and was able to get all the choicest fruits without picking up a single rotten theological apple.” Whidden also presented how Mrs. White viewed the Atonement as dynamic, still having effect today. So not merely having paid the price required by the law, Jesus is still ministering in the heavenly sanctuary today. It is this ministering that has ‘implications for the sanctification experience of believers, not just their experience of forgiveness and acceptance.’
I really appreciated the BRI article. It spoke about different aspects of salvation. But the one aspect that I particularly enjoyed was how it started out. Right from the beginning of the article it pointed out that we as humans in this world are in rough shape. We are in desperate need and as it said “Before we can accept the good news, we must recognize our desperate need. We are rebels at heart and rebels in deed, alienated from God and from one another” That pretty much sums up the entirety of so many discussions in the religious world today. For it is only when we come face to face, or drastically realize just who we are at heart, that the whole picture starts to come into focus. Until that point we may try to mold the gospel to fit our picture, or we may try all kinds of theological gymnastics. But when we realize that really there is not anything good inside of us at all, not even the desire to do good is from us, then God can make progress in us. The bible tells us that ‘God works in us both to will and to act according to his good pleasure’ I believe that so much discussion would be solved if we realize that it is only by the initiative of God that anything good comes of our lives. For it is truly all about Him! The author states that “no one can fully unravel the mystery of the new birth.” And that is so true, but the great thing is that it is possible, Praise God!
Romans Ch. 6
Whidden Ch. 7
BRI: The Dynamics of Salvation
Reflection # 7
I really enjoyed the BRI article about perfection. It was short and concise and to the point, there is ‘none perfect but Jesus alone’ It pointed out that when the bible speaks of perfection it doesn’t talk about ‘sinlessness’, but rather of “spiritual maturity, full grown spiritually, ripe in spiritual understanding, whole in response to God, keeping nothing back” It’s true that there are theological circles ripe in the discussion of ‘perfectionism’ My only question is “Don’t you know the full power and extent of sin?” Simply put, we are the embodiment of sin, and we are not getting out of it with out external rescue. I like how the author of the article called it right out in the open and said “If one's view of sin is shallow enough, sinless perfection would not be an impossible achievement.” Aptly put, the author also says “There is one truth that every believer needs to learn who would fully enjoy complete salvation in Christ. It is the need to abide in Christ, to look continually to Christ, to depend wholly on Christ and His righteousness.” Followed by “Salvation in Christ alone means that the bias to sin in human nature is too strong and overwhelming to be dealt with apart from moment by moment trusting in Christ and in His power to save.” Where does this leave us? It should leave us totally aware that in and of us there is nothing that is contributing to our salvation. Yes, it is so true and Christ dwelling in us will bring about noticeable change and rightly so. But at the end of the day, make that the judgment day, it will still be Christ’s righteousness that will cover us and deem us worthy of eternal life.
I also really enjoyed the chapter from Whidden’s book on the nature of Christ. It’s true that whole books and studies have been done on this topic, so one chapter is only a short discussion. However I think he did a decent job of summary within those few pages. Right up front he states concerning the nature of Christ “If there were no mystery, what need would there be for faith?” And I simply was amazed how he ended this quote, was it in a state of triumph or superiority? I believe his passionate feelings shown through on this one, here it is “The arguments of those who claim that Christ had to be just exactly like sinful humans in order to identiy with them breaks down over one stubborn fact of human history: we have all sinned, but Christ never did. Think about that for a moment.” I laughed when I read that “think about that for a moment!” I appreciated how he summarized his chapter by saying “The key temptation for Christ was the same as it is for all humans- the desire to go it alone.” Simply put, yes Christ is our example in so many ways. But much more than is the fact that he is our Savior!
Romans Ch. 7
Whidden Ch. 8
BRI: How Perfect Is "Perfect" Or
Is Christian Perfection Possible?
Reflection 10
I began by reading Romans 10. I thought the first couple of verses were very interesting where Paul makes the point that he wants the Jews to be saved because he knows they are zealous, but it is not based on knowledge. It is interesting that Paul sees the need for our salvation to be based on knowledge. As Adventists, I think we have to carefully walk the line of basing our zealousness on knowledge and still experiencing God. Pau seems to me to be saying here that the Jews lost their salvation because they did not really know what God’s righteousness was, so they rejected it and were lost. I hope to never be in that place and to work to help others not do that either.
The BRI document on Romans 3 was also interesting. I really liked where he said “The past tense, the aorist, is omnitemporal and refers to the actual sinning of humans and "fall short of the glory of God" describes the defacing of the image of God in their lives.” It is true that we have all sinned in our lives in the past. But most of all I see that we do continually deface the image of God in our lives. I know that I do things at times where I see that God would not have acted that way. As Christians we are supposed to represent who Christ is to the world, but the sin in our lives defaces that image. As we are saved and the sanctification process goes forward God repaints that picture of himself in us and we become better example to others of who Christ is.
The significance and meaning of 1888 was a very informative chapter. I like the fact that it points out that Ellen White’s main message was that the people of the church needed to quit relying on the law and their keeping of it to help them gain salvation. But that instead they needed to rely on Jesus and have the obedience that comes as a result of that forgiveness. I see this legalistic tendency has not totally been eradicated from our church and we still need to clearly show that we must fully rest in Jesus for our salvation and that the works come from that dependence on Jesus. I liked that at the end of the chapter he pointed out that for Ellen White the preaching of the merits of Jesus was not an attack on the law, but only on the misuse of the law.
REFLECTION PAPER # 10
I feel that this week’s subject is on the same page of the last week’s. First, the article, Justification in Romans 3:21-24 by Rodriguez, focuses on who is who. And I liked his conclusion as “justification is a free gift of the grace of God for all who believe.” It’s a very well balanced answer. Everyone has been given chance to get saved by God but they are to believe that. It is good arguing.
Whidden explains about 1888 and the relation between that even and Ellen White. Even though that event impacted her “there were no major reversals of her previous teaching.” And “she claimed to have preached the matchless charms of Christ” as usual. This made her get her authority back. Getting power again, she needed “to quit people trying to merit salvation by good works and obedience to the law and accept the wonderful forgiveness of Jesus Christ.”
Romans chapter 11 is kind ambiguous to me. But I’ve got the general meaning of it at least. Chapter 11 is closed as “Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor? (Rom 11:33-34)” I believe that even Paul couldn’t fully understand God’s love and His plan for everyone. But he understood it as far as he could so I felt that I shouldn’t try to understand all the difficult verses with using all materials but I will ask Him to give me further light like He did to Paul.
REFLECTION PAPER
Doctrine of Salvation
October 29, 2008
The discussion opened with the acknowledgement that since, according to the New Testament, calling to salvation comes from the gospel (II Thess. 2:14), we must first understand what the gospel is. According to Romans 1:16-17, it was noted, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, and through this power the righteousness of God is revealed.
It was also noted that the words righteousness and justification are the same in the Greek. While this is true, one must be careful not to conclude that therefore the scope of this word throughout the New Testament is therefore limited to justification, as some have tried to do. This same word, of course, often refers in the New Testament to sanctification and practical holiness, as in Romans 8:4, which speaks of how “the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
Discussion continued with reference to how salvation is the same as redemption, as in Romans 8:24, and again it was noted that foreknowledge and predestination are involved in this process.
Perhaps it might be said that too much focus has been given in our recent discussions to Romans 8:29-30, fine passage though this is. No one verse or single passage should be made the defining word on a Bible doctrine. Only the inspired consensus is able to bring us to such a conclusion. Desmond Ford, at the Palmdale Conference on righteousness by faith in 1976, made this blunder when he took only chapters 3-5 of Romans and used this as the sole means of defining the scope of righteousness by faith. The consequences of this conclusion have been significantly hurtful to modern Adventism.
Such passages as Romans 1:3, with reference to Christ’s incarnation and resurrection, together with I Corinthians 2:1-2, which speak of knowing nothing “save Jesus Christ and Him crucified,” also received attention. Comment was made as to how the latter passage has often been misused, particularly by those who seek to elevate Christ in importance over the “remaining” doctrines of the Bible. This makes little sense, to be sure, since Paul in that selfsame epistle spends 14 additional chapters instructing the Corinthians regarding correct faith and practice. Not to mention it was Christ Himself who declared that man shall live “by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” (Matt. 4:4).
Conversation then turned to various theories of the atonement, such as the penal substitution and moral influence theories. Comment was offered that what is essentially wrong with the moral influence theory, for example, is what it leaves out. The cross event and the remaining features of the atonement process certainly involve moral influence and a demonstration of the Father’s love, but they also include the act of penal substitution. Indeed, the entire process of salvation, from the first intervention of God on man’s behalf in Eden to the final destruction of Satan in the fires of hell, are involved in the work of atonement. This is made clear by the fact that the scapegoat in the typical service, representing Satan, is described as making atonement (Lev. 16:10).
Presentation by Wendy Feese
An excellent presentation on the contrast between freedom and slavery relative to the plan of salvation, in particular the fact that slavery to Christ—as the New Testament presents it—is a voluntary, loving servitude that is not dictatorial or coercive in any way. Freedom, at the bottom line, is fundamental to the doctrine of salvation as Scripture presents it (John 8:32; Rev. 22:17). Without freedom, there would indeed be no controversy between good and evil, since controversy and any choice contrary to the divine will would be disallowed from the start.
The freedom Christ offers includes both the freedom brought by forgiveness, or justification, and the freedom brought by the practical holiness of sanctification.
Presentation by David Hamstra
An interesting set of insights into what were called the “trinitarian” features of the salvation process. The following assessment was offered of the three phases of salvation:
Justification—Legal
Sanctification—Holiness
Glorification—Dynamic
It was noted that blood and sacrifice are the means of our justification. A correct statement, to be sure (see Rom. 3:24; Eph. 1:7), but the New Testament says Jesus’ blood also accomplishes our sanctification (Heb. 13:12,20-21). The presenter confirmed, to be sure, that each member of the Godhead is in fact involved in the entire saving process, even if the model he uses sees the activity of one or another Godhead member as primary at the various stages.
The role of truth in the sanctifying process (John 17:17,19) and the body as the temple of the Holy Ghost (I Cor. 6) were also examined. It was likewise noted that glorification will involve the re-creation of the natural world which now groans under the burden of sin (Rom. 8:19-23). But once again, the disclosure of divine glory is also involved in the process of sanctification here on earth (see Eph. 3:16-21; Phil. 1:11).
Presentation by Nathan Kennedy
This presentation was titled, “Unconditional Eternal Security: A False Harbor of Hope.” The issue of unconditional predestination, and the doctrine of “once saved, always saved,” were addressed in this analysis. Appropriate attention was given to the question of what believing truly means, when Scripture speaks of this as a condition of salvation. Is this belief something that happens once for all time, or must it be continuous? Such verses as Matthew. 24:13 would certainly imply that it must be continuous. Not to mention that John 3:36, especially in modern Bible versions, translates belief as obedience.
Further comment was offered by the presenter on the meaning and purpose of the Beatitudes in Matthew 5, and how they represent practical steps to Christ’s kingdom.
Tatiana Perez
RP #9
In Reading Romans 9 I thought of how old the issue of salvation by faith vs. salvation by works has existed. I wonder why so many seekers after salvation have struggled with this. Not only is it a continual challenge today, but it was obviously a big deal in Paul's time as well as we are reminded here. The jews had a constant struggle with this issue, trying to do all the right things, and combining it with the fact that they claimed to be Abraham's children, therefore many thought they were entitled to salvation. Yet they didn't live as their ancestor lived (by faith). I like the thought that I can be called a true daughter of Abraham by trying to live as he lived, by faith in Christ. This chapter gives me hope and a warning too: hope that I can too be an heir to the promise, and a warning that i need to be careful not to start trying to merit my salvation by works (which is something that any of us can fall into.)
In reading the chapter "Justification by Faith--Before 1888", it is apparent here to me that even E.G. White might have struggled with the meaning of justification at some point in her christian walk. But she was able to come to a balanced conclusion about the matter, even before the crisis in 1888. She spoke in a balanced way, I think, of the importance of works in our growth as christians, but stressed that by no means do these works produce salvation. Only through faith in Christ, His life, and His sacrifice on the cross, do we have any hope of salvation. My favorite thought that she stresses is our need to not look to ourselves, but to keep our eyes on Jesus the whole time, and in this lies our assurance of salvation. I like this a lot because when I look to myself (and I have the tendency to do this) I or either get big headed and proud, or i get depressed and feel totally unable to be worthy of salvation. But I've noticed that when I keep my eyes on Jesus, I have peace.
The article was interesting, and seemed to have a tie with the other readings. It was also talking about having a balance in our view of justification by faith vs. justification by works tied in with our view of the judgment. Most of my life the thought of a judgment has been a bit scary, but this article reminds me that I don't really have to worry about the judgment when I have a right view of Justification by Faith. I also like this balanced perspective of justification and judgement, faith and works. In understanding the relationship between these, we can better understand how God works in us to save us, without minimizing the importance of either teaching. And I believe that this article ties in with the chapter from "Ellen White on Salvation" because the conclusion is the same: we need to look to Christ, and not our own works, for our salvation.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 10
THST 540 – 11/02/08
The significance and meaning of 1888's Minneapolis Conference, as described by Whidden, reveals some interesting ideas. Considering the historical context and the emergency feeling derived from the Sunday laws, it seems to me that Ellen White not only was far more ahead of her time than all the other ministers, but she was also preaching the right message for that time. Justification by Faith, besides being the third angelical message, was also the most needed message for a church that was growing afraid and anxious about the events happening in their time. God made EGW aware of the need for her time, and she is able to put her focus on the more pressing issues that were much more necessary for the church to hear than the “minor” themes being discussed in 1888. I am not saying that she ignored those themes, but by addressing Justification by Faith, she defined the doctrines that were to come, as well as the issue of the law. I believe Whidden was successful showing that, even in the mist of all this doctrinal confusion, EGW kept her clarity and deep sense of Biblical truth.
The BRI document on Judgment and Assurance collects a wide range of verses that plainly show how Paul consistently talks about the upcoming judgment as well as the assurance derived from each decision. In my opinion this document is a good supplement in the contradiction of the “once saved always saved” doctrine.
The 10th chapter of Romans has some of my favorite verses. Paul lays out the essence of the Gospel in verses 9 through 13. The remaining part of the chapter is, to me, an open invitation to be consistent with the belief expressed in the verses 9-13, by being a witness and sharing this good news in our own time. According to Paul's words it is evident the lack of commitment and surrenderer to this transforming message.
There are several important things to consider in chapter 9. It seems like in verse 11, "Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls-she was told, the older will serve the younger" Before some are born on this earth, the "chosen" people will do God's will whether it is good or bad, to teach people the will and desire of God. Even before the twins were born it is destined for older to serve the younger.
We are called, we have purpose to do God will, may-be some are already destined to become a great preacher even before the person was born.
"God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." God called Abraham to be the father of all nation but God called Hosea to marry an adulteress. It may seem unfair and God shows mercy on some but verse 25-30 shows that God's mercy is for all even for those who reject Him.
"Since both justification by faith and judgment according to works are elements of divine revelation, it belongs to Christian reason to accept both, to proclaim both, to interpret both, and to seek to correlate both. One teaching should not be made to yield to the other so that its inner essence and unique contribution are denied." If we keep this in mind it will help us to understand better about God's plans and His will.
In both of the readings, the paper by Angel Manuel Rodriguez and Romans chapter 10, talks about salvation of all people. Salvation isn't for just Jews or Gentiles, it is for all. Romans chapter 10:12 "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him. For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Even though we all have sinned and fall short of glory of God but He still from the beginning He destined to save all of us.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 10
THST 540 – 11/05/08
Paul in Romans 10 is talking about a zeal for God but he also sees that it is zeal not according to knowledge. Zeal for God, but not according to knowledge is a perfect description of Paul himself before his conversion. Saul of Tarsus was a persecutor of Christians before Jesus confronted him on the road to Damascus. Their lack of knowledge is reflected in the fact that they are ignorant of God’s righteousness, and they want to establish their own righteousness. Seeking to establish their own righteousness, they have not submitted to the righteousness of God. But that wasn’t their only problem. And more than this in Romans 3:20 Paul is saying that “by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified.” But the righteousness of faith is received by believing in Jesus, and we don’t have to “work” to get Jesus. It is not as if we have to ascend into heaven or descend into the abyss to gain Jesus. We believe and receive.
In chapter 10 Whidden is talking about justification, sanctification in Ellen White ministry and the fact that this subjects were balanced in her presentation. This chapter is also dealing with philosophical pantheism supported by Kellogg and others. Ellen White said about holiness and perfection that they have five characteristics and one of the is that perfection of the character can be achieved although not immediately but perfection of the flesh or nature can not be achieved until glorification.
In the BRI article Justification in Romans 3:21-24 by Ángel Manuel Rodríguez is supporting the idea that justification is a free gift which we have received through Jesus Christ death and this gift is supported only by those who accept it.
Comments on Tiago Baltazar’s 10th reflection paper
I enjoyed how you described 1888 and the atmosphere of it. When you talked about Ellen White you said “she was also preaching the right message for that time.” I think this is very true. She preached the right message in the right time. I think this is what we should follow her.
And another point that I liked is “by addressing Justification by Faith, she defined the doctrines that were to come, as well as the issue of the law.” She looked ahead and tried to prevent the church from false theories. This is another aspect that all pastors should have. They should know what is going on now and find out what is going to come soon.
Reflection Paper #10
As we continue our discussion and study of salvation, I am starting to realize that many of us (like Paul and James) use the same words and factors to describe salvation, but how we use these factors vary. In the article by Rodriguez, he lays out an excellent argument for justification by faith. However, there was one comment that he made that we should all be careful of when discussing the doctrine of justification by faith and works. In Rodriguez’s article, he makes the following statement: “He revealed to us a new way of salvation that is absolutely independent from the law…” I respectfully object that salvation is absolutely independent from the law. Keeping the laws of God is evidence that one has faith in Jesus Christ. There is a difference between following the law, because you think you will earn something compared to following the law because you love God and your love for Him is manifested by your observance of His laws. Observance of the law is inextricably intertwined with sanctification an element of salvation. Next, Whidden’s clarification of White’s perspective on justification by works and that we are saved through Jesus Christ is consistent with the beliefs of the Adventist church today. However, in reality many of us teach, preach, and live as though only acknowledging and professing that Saturday is the Sabbath will save us and the world. We put so much emphasis on the Sabbath that we forget that the Sabbath, the Tabernacle, the 2300 day prophecy all point to Jesus and God’s plan of salvation. But all too often these topics are taught independent of Jesus Christ. As White stated we need to keep our eyes focused on Jesus. Our acceptance of the wonderful forgiveness of Jesus will manifest itself in our obedience to all of God’s commandments. Furthermore, Romans 10 resonates with Ellen White’s teaching of justification by faith in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection which saves. Rom. 10:4, plainly states that “[f]or Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
Reflections paper: Week Ten
Doctrine of Salvation:
Comments on the article “Justification and Assurance”
Ivan T. Blazen
The subject of Justification being by faith and not by works is the recurring theme in this article. Justification could never be by the works of the law because the works or the people are evil. Paul emphasizes this brings out this point in several places and argues that if righteousness were by works, then Christ died in vain, there was no need of His atonement. Saying that is not possible because it is because of Christ that we are made righteous. He is the only one who kept the law and no one else, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. While we were yet in our sins, Christ died for us and His righteousness is imputed upon all those who believe.
On the subject of Assurance the writer emphasizes the “much more” concept, that if now we are justified by faith, how much more shall we be saved at the end of time. It is argued that through the first Adam, the whole human race was affected with sin, how much more shall we saved by the righteousness of the second Adam. The assurance of salvation is only found in Christ and his merits, and not from anything we have done or can do. So if we align ourselves with Christ and have our dependants on Him and suffer with Him, we shall then be hears with Christ in His kingdom. Salvation is based point, living with Christ and for Him.
In Whidden’s book we continued to explore Ellen White’s position on righteousness by faith after 1888. It was stated that she held a strong stand on the fact that Christ can to save us from our sins and not in our sins, as the relationship of law and grace, faith and works were being explored. She emphasized that it was through the merits of Christ and nothing that we can do to merit eternal life. Christ’s merits make up for our deficiencies. She was strong on the mercy of Christ and His willingness to forgive us when we do err on our upward walk with Him. Her writings are replete with encouragement for one who errs saying that Christ would never forsake his erring children. His mercy is broader than we can imagine. So she manifested a healthy balance in her teachings on the relationship between law and grace, faith and works, and what our part is the work of salvation.
In Romans chapter 10, we see Paul’s heart going out to the nation of Israel, stating that his desire is that they may be saved. In this chapter he talks a great deal about faith and how it comes by and the essence of his message is the necessity of faith in the process of salvation. He who believes shall be saved he and that seems to have been the problem with Israel, they never believed his God’s message but were disobedient to it. So the preaching of God’s word calls for a response.
Reflection Paper#10 (Week Ending November 01, 2008) (Sheldon Smith)
It is quite interesting how the S.D.A. Church has gone through what can be called “roller coaster rides” over the years since its inception, but still progresses. The divisions over doctrinal beliefs tend to be a hallmark that I have noticed ever since joining the church. Nevertheless, despite its issues, the church still marches on.
What I found rather interesting and amazing about chapter 11 of Whidden’s book is how the Minneapolis conference session affected or influenced Ellen White to the extent that for the next four years after the session, 45% of her writing which is done on justification was done during that four year out of a 58 year ministry. Wow!!! How the 1888 session revolutionized her outlook on salvation and her ministry thereafter!!!
Rodriguez continues to do a superb job on the righteousness by faith motif. I like how he went about commenting on Romans 3:20-24. Especially the way he presented the transition Paul made i.e., the shift from what he was talking about before to what he’s talking about presently – the righteousness of Christ. Everything seems to sum up to justification by faith which is accessible to all who believe and seek it.
In Romans 10, Paul seems to be sympathizing with the Jews when he expressed his desire for their salvation. The chapter not only seems to speak to Judaisers in the past but also to present day “Judaisers.” The fact is that Christians become so zealous at times about Christianity that they forget about the Christ of Christianity. Let us not fall into the same trap as the Jews.
Reflection Paper #10
The Apostle Paul in Romans 10 distinct those who heard, accepted the gospel of Jesus Christ and were made righteous from those who heard the gospel but decided otherwise and therefore were not saved. The concept of salvation being open to everyone by confessing and believing in the Name of Jesus Christ but the decision of acceptance comes down to human choices. The Apostle pointed out the impossibility of our human efforts as a mean for our salvation like that of the Israelites. They were no doubt engaged in spiritual activities to show the sincerity of their hearts in spiritual matters however they were all of no avail because of the motivation factors were polluted. Pollution in a sense, they perceived salvation as man’s accomplishment rather than God’s very own that was graciously and freely given to us. What amazes me in the ignorant of the Israelites is that while striving vigorously to be just before God through their deeds, which needed efforts of great strained to their inner beings but the Apostle’s subscribe the simplest formula of how to be favored with God through confessing and believing of the heart in the person of Christ and be saved.
Whidden’s book in the 11th chapter, showcase Ellen White’s for 45 years has been believed and taught what the Apostle Paul had been trying with his country men regarding salvation. She had been diligently before the Minneapolis saga in 1888 encouraged the preaching of the “Matchless charms of Christ” referring to the message of Justification by faith in Christ’s saving merits but not justification by works of the law that were preached by some of her contemporaries with in the Adventist circles. This is fascinating to learn that Ellen White’s understanding of Christ’s saving merits was in line with the teaching of the Apostle Paul. Perhaps, I can see the correlation of Ellen White’s work with the Apostle Paul in trying to make known that human are justified by faith but never downgrade the law of God. This is a downfall of the two extreme views that is seen in the Christian world today. There are those who exalted the law as a mean of salvation and then there are those who define justification as a mere points of salvation that Scripture taught therefore the works of obedience is neglected.
BRI article by Ivan T Blazen on Justification by faith and Judgment by works is a well informed article on this most debatable relationship between faith and works in terms of God’s justification of the sinner and His divine judgment. I believed the root of the problem is our misunderstanding between works as applied by others as a mean of salvation and the works of obedience. But Blazen mentioned the other part of the problem is most Christians love to accept of Christ as our Savior, the One who died for our sins. However, most neglect His Lordship. In His Lordship, God becomes the Lord of our lives. So Blazen was right it is only when we uphold the Savior hood of Christ with His Lordship then we can be able to see the relationship between being justified by faith and judgment by works.
I think our class lecture this week was again an eye opener and it showed the need for not limiting salvation to certain aspects of it but inclusive of others. Dr Hanna’s reference of the Apostle Paul’s model of salvation in Roman 8 to the GOSPEL was quite unique. As I mentioned this is why we must have a broad view of salvation. The gospel indeed does not referred to one aspects, for Paul referred to the God’s foreknowledge and predestination as a “mystery of the gospel, he also referred directly to calling by the gospel, as well as justification and glorification. Although some are indirectly to some aspects but it definitely showed in one way or another they all link to the Gospel. I find this very interesting for we are familiar with the word gospel but only to the context of Justification and Sanctification but not before them.
Ref: #10
On the article "Some thoughts on the original sin"
I am a supporter of, ‘knowing the root of the problem is the solution to the problem.’ According to Dr. G.Phandl, in his presentation ‘Some thoughts on the original sin’ makes the point clear, “Without a correct understanding of the origin and the nature of sin we will have a distorted picture of Christ and salvation.” More often we tend to concentrate on the love of God in saving without telling the people why He loves us. This is what this article is trying to unearth.
I agree with Phandl, that the only place where we can connect the reality of the origin of sin is in the letters of Paul. I don’t mean to say that rest have nothing to say, but, the way Paul intertwine sin and Adam is not mentioned by any other writer so clearly as he does. [1 Cor. 15:21-22]. One aspect that we are discussing in our lectures is that of having a broad hemisphere of approaching the issues of salvation. This is what Phandl did in his article, by getting the information even from the non – canonical materials.
After this long study I personally have these to all scholars.
1. We ought to rely on the bible for understanding bible doctrines.
2. We need to learn what others in the past have come up with
3. We need to be open minded for new ideas on doctrines but biblically grounded
4. We need to open room for criticism, for it makes one learn his mistakes
5. Make God issues to be Godly solved.
It is my hope that with time new insights shall dawn, and help us to understand more of this idea. It is important as Phandl makes because without having an idea of it we won’t appreciate the salvation well.
Reflection 11
I found Romans 11 to be both very enlightening and very confusing. I really liked verse 6 where it says that if we were saved by works then grace would not be grace. That is a great summary of the problem of people who are legalistic. They do not think that grace is really unmerited favor, but try to merit grace. But that is not what grace truly is. Also the section where Paul talks about grafting branches in and cutting branches off is a very good text to show that salvation can be lost after you have got it, but it can also be regained after you have lost it. It is always our choice to react to what God had done and to change our mind and act differently toward God. God gives us that freedom. However, I must admit that I do not understand the section where Paul talks about all Israel being saved. This chapter has some very interesting things to say about foreknowledge, but the whole chapter is not totally clear to me.
Both the BRI article by Jan Paulsen and the chapter in Whiddon talked about salvation by faith and the relationship between faith and works and justification and sanctification. In fact they both used a couple of the same Ellen White quotes. I found in Whiddon’s chapter the idea of the fact that deficiencies of character were unavoidable and only covered by Christ to be very helpful. The fact that while we live on this earth we must always look to Jesus and never to ourselves is seen even more in light of those statements. The BRI document came to the same conclusion that we must rely wholly on Christ and never on ourselves. I thought that the explanation of Philippians 3:13,14 was useful when he described that forgetting means to constantly look to Christ and not to ourselves for salvation for there is no other solution for sin besides Christ. I also found the discussion of the word diakaioo to be helpful. It was described as not a quality of an individual, but a relationship of an individual to God. That is a good reminder of what salvation really is, a return to a right relationship with God and giving up our rebellion.
REFLECTION PAPER # 11
In 1888, Ellen White kept on insisting the same message that she had been preaching about. We are saved only by faith but we should balance faith and works. And through Christ’s merits we can get saved. “Jesus is perfect. Christ’s righteousness is imputed unto them, and He will say, ‘Take away the filthy garments from him and clothe him with change of raiment.’ Jesus makes up for our unavoidable deficiencies”
In class, we discussed Christ’s atonement last week and this week. The fact that He died for us on the cross is important but what He is doing now in us is also to be illuminated. Romans chapter 12 is about dedicated service and it doesn’t seem that it is closely related to what we learned from the class this week when we look at the last verse, “do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good” we can know this chapter is really close to Christ atonement and the result of it. Without His sacrifice, we cannot overcome evil at all. With His death and resurrection, we can fight against evil.
This week’s article is written by Jan Paulsen and it is about salvation by faith. I like his sermon especially the first section which is about believing and trusting. Faith has two aspects; one is believing what really happened and the other one is trusting which is to obey.
Reflection Paper #11
The message in Whidden’s book regarding what the impact justification has on our life was very encouraging. I am grateful that God’s love never ceases. I am blessed with Jesus’ role as an advocate on my behalf whenever I fall, and how Christ makes my prayers presentable to the Lord. Being reminded of all the things that I lack as a sinner and the way Jesus intercedes on my behalf was comforting. Satan’s greatest lie is fooling us into believing that because of our sinless state God will not forgive us of our sins. Satan doesn’t want us to confess our sins, because that means Jesus would have to be involved. I want Jesus to know my entire life so He can plead for mercy on my behalf before the Father.
Next, in Romans 11, Paul talks about the remnant church (Israel), and how God used the fall of the children of Israel to reach the Gentiles. In addition, I read about hope for the Jews. Paul made it clear that God “is able to graff them in again” in verse 23. That’s the thing I appreciate about God; He never gives up on us, no matter how far we drift from His purpose for our life.
Finally, in Paulsen’s article, I felt he did an excellent job of clarifying the church’s stance on justification by faith by stating that “[i]f faith is perceived to be simply an internal and private thing of the mind, and if we think that it is only at that level we relate to Christ, with no concern or interest in practical godliness and victory over sin, then such a faith clearly is not biblical…” Furthermore, he concludes that “by faith alone” means that apart from trust in Jesus Christ, God has no other basis of salvation to offer. In addition, he makes great points in describing what really happens when we are justified. When we are justified and have faith and trust in Jesus, our standing before God changes and the person is changed.
Tiago Baltazar
Reading Reflection Paper 11
THST 540 – 11/09/08
Whidden's analysis of Ellen White's thoughts on Justification after Minneapolis is extremely appealing to see how she exalts Christ's merits so much. I was interested to see how she combines the teaching of James and Paul to define justification. Even in that context, showing that despite our perfect behavior, it is only thanks to Christ's merits that we can have a hope for the future. I appreciated the fact that Whidden included the illustration of the trolley and the bus, it does justice to a journey with God. This chapter is a great demonstration of assurance of the forgiveness of our sins, as well as a reminder that even our obedience is only taken in consideration based on Christ's sacrifice, though even that is not enough to cover our sinful nature. It is a very balanced and biblical perspective. It gives us assurance and comfort while it also calling for the responsibility and the awareness that Christ is the center and the reason why we can be worthy of receiving His gifts.
The BRI document on “Justification grants assurance, but judgement guards it” is a well presented article and helps to resolve the tension between these concepts. Not forgetting our own relationship with God, as well as our commitment, I think it would have been helpful to analyse the concept of God as a judge in the Old Testament. God as the Judge in that context doesn't only convict, He also acts as a defence advocate who does everything to protect and save the person on trial. Nonetheless I think the idea is there.
One of my favourite concepts in the 11th chapter of Romans is the idea expressed in verse 12 about our transgressions, and how the ideas develop from there. Even though Paul calls us to a deep sense of responsibility, I feel that he is also extremely motivating. Starting from verse 12 we see how even in their transgression, Israel produced good fruits, which I believe it also applies to us. Considering that to be so, what an amazing result could our labour have if we weren't in transgression, strongly firmed in the holy root of verse 16. That is to me personally a very encouraging concept which I hope to acknowledge as an everyday challenge.
Laurentiu Roman
Reflection Paper 11
THST 540 – 11/11/08
In Jan Paulsen article “Salvation by Faith“faith is the mean of salvation but, there is no merit in faith alone, Jesus Christ is our only merit. Ellen White said that “there is nothing in faith that makes it our savior. Faith cannot remove our guilt. Christ is the power of God unto salvation to all them that believe.” (Ellen White, Signs of the Times, May 19, 1898) Faith is necessary because it is the means of grasping Christ. Faith is essential to our salvation because is the only way to accomplish salvation. As our faith has no merit toward salvation, neither do the works that are a result of the faith have merit, “good works will not save even one soul, yet it is impossible for even one soul to be saved without good works” (Ellen White, Selected Messages, vol. 1, pg. 377) “Faith and works go together; believing and doing are blended.” (Ellen White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, Pg. 373) about the relation between justification and sanctification one accompanies the other. Justification is the first step to the sanctification. Justification has no meaning if it is not fallowed by the sanctification, and sanctification is impossible if we do not experience first the justification. Through justification man is saved by the condemnation of the law and through sanctification man can obtain the eternal life. Because man is imperfect his sanctification is incomplete, but through repentance and faith which is justification, man can receive salvation.
“The significance and meaning of Minneapolis and 1888” was not about only perfection and Christ humanity but also about justification by faith, a subject that was neglected, Ellen white putting accent on the assurance and acceptance of Christ justifying merits.
In Romans chapter 11 Paul’s main argument in this chapter is made up of two parts: 1) Israel rejection is not total but partial. The great majority of Jews have rejected God’s gospel as found in the Person of Jesus Christ, but not all of them have. There was a remnant of Jews who trusted Christ, and Paul was part of this remnant (v.1). The key verse is Romans 11:5. 2) Israel rejection is not permanent but temporarily. The nation will not always reject God. There is coming a great future day when the nation will be saved (verses 26-27). Both of these key ideas are found in Romans 11:25: "that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." The blindness is not total blindness and it is not permanent blindness. There are some Jews who see very well today. There is coming a future day when the nation Israel will see and recognize Christ as their Messiah and Lord (Zech. 12:10). Even as the apostasy of Israel did not extend to every last Jew, so the salvation of Israel will not extend to every last Jew; Paul is speak of the “mass” of Jews when he says all Israel. God never cast away His people, He always remembers like in Noah case.
Reflection Paper #11
The Apostle Paul in Romans 11 made mentioned of God’s “remnant according to the election of grace.” This election of grace is referring to God’s election of Israel as His nation to be used as a vehicle of grace to pagan nations. This selection was not by any of Israel’s goodness but by the grace of God. This chapter makes me confused a little bit because it seems like God purposely blinded the Israelites so that the gospel may go to the Gentile. However, it became cleared to me that the idea of God using Israel as a vehicle of His divine grace to the world, does not make God’s saving upon the individuals automatic. It does not make Israel as an owner of God’s grace, meaning that each individual ought to come to a relationship with God and to experience His saving grace. It was their “unbelief” [v20] was the reason why they were rejected. This was their respond in God’s grace and interestingly that the Apostle applied it to our relationship with the saving grace of God. It is not by our works but by believing in Christ’s sacrifice through faith. This chapter showed the sovereignty of God in His election and His work so that the whole world can be saved.
Whidden’s book, the 12th chapter revealed Ellen White’s balanced view on Justification and Sanctification. It’s interesting how Ellen White never separated faith and works just like the Apostles never did but emphasized that faith in God shown forth by the works of obedience. It is fascinating how early on of her ministry, she knew that works is not a mean of salvation but as the result of God’s saving grace in the life of a sinner. It is a respond of gratitude for what God has done for a sinner but not a mean of salvation. Ellen White distinct Christ’s merits that makes us righteous with what she called “creature merits” referring to man’s worthless efforts to earn eternal life. Ellen White also talked about “Objective Justification” and in doing so she did not place any separation between justification and sanctification. When she talked about objective justification she referred about the continuous work of Christ before the Cross and continues on to His High Priestly work before God. It did not stop at the imputation of righteousness when a person accepts Christ’s merits but includes His present work as a Mediator for us.
Our class discussion was also focusing at these concepts of objective and subjective atonement. We have learnt from Scripture and Ellen White that while there is a distinction between the objective and subjective atonement but they are not separated. Because Christ did something for us by incarnating into the form of man and is still doing something for us in His mediatorial work. We learned from the Apostle Paul that Christ is our mercy’s seat, He is our covering. The Bible does not separate the objective from the subjective atonement; Christ is still working for us and within us.
BRI article by Edward Heppenstall called “Some Theological Considerations of Perfection,” he shed some light on one of the most debatable subjects in the Adventist circle. He highlighted two usages of the apostle Paul of the word “PERFECT.” Heppenstall pointed out that, firstly, Paul used the Greek word “teleios” referring to a person who reach adulthood. Therefore, whenever Paul is using this word, he is referring to Christian maturity and stability. Secondary, the Apostle used another Greek word “katartizo” which referred to the term “fully equipped” for the service of God. According to Heppenstall these Greek words never have in mind sinless perfection. The holiest saints, men like Paul, have been the first to declare their constant need of growth toward Christ, while affirming the sinfulness of their own natures. The perfecting and maturing process continues as long as life itself. The growing Christian makes continual progress toward the ideal in Christ. This understanding of the term “perfect” in Paul’s writing is important for there are many people who are striving to be perfect in their nature but the Bible is cleared that we are sinful by nature and we can never reach the perfection of nature, only God is perfect in nature.
Romel Charles
Doctrine of Salvation
Reflection #10
In chapter 10 of “Ellen White on Salvation,” Whidden goes into detail about Mrs. Whites ministry after Minneapolis. This was important because it addresses how the Minneapolis General Conference session, the “Life of Christ” writing project, and the “Receive Ye the Holy Ghost” movement shaped her meaning of salvation. With the “Receive Ye the Holy Ghost,” and “Holy Flesh” movements it also showed why we need to have a wholistic outlook when it comes to the understanding of the Bible and its doctrines. We cannot allow ourselves to be too one sided because that only leads to fanaticism. Mrs. White always sought to be balanced in her presentations and we should follow her suit. Angel Rodriguez in his article on Romans 3:21-24 makes a strong statement when he says, “The phrase "for/because there is no difference/distinction" is used to establish the fact that when it comes to salvation God saves all human beings, that is to say Jews and gentiles, in the same way, namely, through faith in Jesus ("all who believe").” This raises a number of questions in my mind. First, I agree that God saves all people n the same way, through faith in Jesus but what about those who do not know God? What about those who have not accepted Jesus as their personal Savior? But yet believe in a higher power. The question lies more with the understanding with, all have sinned, yes, but do all believe in Jesus as their Savior? The text say, “This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe,” but believe in what? Jesus? If Christ died for all human beings who have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God then what about those who “believe” in something but just not Jesus, was their belief in vain? I guess from this question we can see why the mission of the Gospel to all the world is so great and that everyone must have the choice to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Gerard Vertilus
11/12/08
Reflection#10
As we continue our discussion on salvation, we all agree that we do need a bigger model in order to maximize our thoughts and encircle salvation with a bigger circle. The reading we had to read this week about salvation teach us a lot of new thing about salvation. For instance, Paul in roman chapter 10 strongly emphasize we are save by faith. As we know that James emphasizes salvation by works. Both of them have a significant point and we need to reconcile them. Elle G.White would agree with Paul though she stated that to assure God's people that they have One as their high priest who gladly secures padon and deliverance despite the sinfulness of their lives. She continues to say that Christ's merits make up for our deficiencies. According to her our hope of salvation are assuring through Christ merit. The article written by Gonzaless, discussed that different mode of salvation, it is significant to realize that even in seventh day Adventist church you find people who have different concept about salvation. Some still believe that even though Christ justify each person who believe in His sacrifices and forgives them for all their sin. However, it is ironic to meet so many Adventist who believe that without keeping the law salvation is impossible.
Yes, Ellen White mentioned abedience to the word of God. I sure that obedient come after we accept Christ sacrifices. And if someone were to die the same day when he or she accept Christ, Christ would have save them without them start keeping the law,the believer attitude should always be that, the moment your surrender your life to Christ in simple faith, Jesus accepts you, and encicles you in His arms of love. He holds you more firmly than you can grasp Him. If anything happens to you He already promise to save you and He will.
Gerard Vertilus
11/12/08
Reflection#10
As we continue our discussion on salvation, we all agree that we do need a bigger model in order to maximize our thoughts and encircle salvation with a bigger circle. The reading we had to read this week about salvation teach us a lot of new thing about salvation. For instance, Paul in roman chapter 10 strongly emphasize we are save by faith. As we know that James emphasizes salvation by works. Both of them have a significant point and we need to reconcile them. Elle G.White would agree with Paul though she stated that to assure God's people that they have One as their high priest who gladly secures padon and deliverance despite the sinfulness of their lives. She continues to say that Christ's merits make up for our deficiencies. According to her our hope of salvation are assuring through Christ merit. The article written by Gonzaless, discussed that different mode of salvation, it is significant to realize that even in seventh day Adventist church you find people who have different concept about salvation. Some still believe that even though Christ justify each person who believe in His sacrifices and forgives them for all their sin. However, it is ironic to meet so many Adventist who believe that without keeping the law salvation is impossible.
Yes, Ellen White mentioned abedience to the word of God. I sure that obedient come after we accept Christ sacrifices. And if someone were to die the same day when he or she accept Christ, Christ would have save them without them start keeping the law,the believer attitude should always be that, the moment your surrender your life to Christ in simple faith, Jesus accepts you, and encicles you in His arms of love. He holds you more firmly than you can grasp Him. If anything happens to you He already promise to save you and He will.
Gerard Vertilus
This comment is on Betty Toussaint reflection, I certainly agree with her thoughts about salvation.
The only one suggestions that I have is that: James and Paul idea of salvation still debating among a lot of scholars and some still not come up with a solution to satisfy everyone were they are disagree. I think this is the only area James and Paul still little bit questionable.
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